Riprock wrote:Apparently the accused perpetrator told police he was The Joker.
Holy cow, this Dungball didn't kill himself?
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Riprock wrote:Apparently the accused perpetrator told police he was The Joker.
Yeah, if you're looking suspicious and hanging on a corner in a bad area in the wee hours of the night or whenever... the cops can walk up, question you and if they don't like your answers, they can frisk you. Doesn't matter your colour, but you know certain areas will be targeted that are known for "bad activity". If Toronto tries to do something like that, it will have a lot of push back from various groups. But given the violence escalation lately and the success in NY, it may have legs.Riprock wrote:I only know about NY doing that from an episode of 30 Rock. They started that after 9/11 right? And it applies to everyone, and is similar to "random" airport security checks.
Sounds like that guy that went on rampage in Norway. When SWAT showed up he just surrendered.Riprock wrote:No he apparently walked out of the theatre and stood outside, armed, and waited to be arrested.
These tragedies are an unfortunate catch-22: the people often do it, not just because they are insane, but also because they want the attention and infamy; but with out media attention, many of us wouldn't know.
shabbs wrote:Here in TO, one councillor (Adam Vaughn) has been pushing for a ban on bullets. I'm mean really. We have bans for pretty much everything, they don't help. More cops, more enforcement, way harsher crimes, more raids, more pressure... gotta make these guys think twice.
There is talk of a "stop and frisk" rule to let Cops search "suspect youth" to see if they have illegal weapons. NY has done this and they say it's been a huge success. That's getting into a grey area with civil rights, profiling etc... and will cause a big debate.
Agree with the social programs etc... there's no silver bullet... it's a complex situation that needs a multi-pronged solution. Better relations with police, community involvement, stability at home etc... are all factors.spader wrote:shabbs wrote:Here in TO, one councillor (Adam Vaughn) has been pushing for a ban on bullets. I'm mean really. We have bans for pretty much everything, they don't help. More cops, more enforcement, way harsher crimes, more raids, more pressure... gotta make these guys think twice.
There is talk of a "stop and frisk" rule to let Cops search "suspect youth" to see if they have illegal weapons. NY has done this and they say it's been a huge success. That's getting into a grey area with civil rights, profiling etc... and will cause a big debate.
More punishment doesn't necessarily equal less crime, at least not in North America. In fact, many experts say that we need more programs (social, education, drug dependency, etc) and less police presence.
Any time there is a major event like this, it always sparks that kind of discussion and the politicians get in front of the camera and bark crap about banning this and banning that etc...Riprock wrote:Basically everyone has an opinion and a suggestion, and a lot of them are knee jerk reactions.
sandysensfan wrote:But it says in the US constitution -- that their citizens 'have the right to bear arms'.
Everytime something like this tragedy happens.. the NRA goes back to that.
Point is.. that is about 400 yrs old.
They have to make it harder for their citizens to get the guns. This guy bought 4 of them. Now if there was some kind of way they have to register whenever they buy guns -- would you not think he was up to something buying that many in a short period of time?
People hunt and have shotguns. US citizens are allowed hand guns.
But why the hell are they selling assault rifles? That makes no sense to me at all?
They need to get with the times... or over and over again.. some nut will keep doing these types of shootings. How long can they let this go on?
wprager wrote:sandysensfan wrote:But it says in the US constitution -- that their citizens 'have the right to bear arms'.
Everytime something like this tragedy happens.. the NRA goes back to that.
Point is.. that is about 400 yrs old.
They have to make it harder for their citizens to get the guns. This guy bought 4 of them. Now if there was some kind of way they have to register whenever they buy guns -- would you not think he was up to something buying that many in a short period of time?
People hunt and have shotguns. US citizens are allowed hand guns.
But why the hell are they selling assault rifles? That makes no sense to me at all?
They need to get with the times... or over and over again.. some nut will keep doing these types of shootings. How long can they let this go on?
Jason Alexander ('George' from Seinfeld) had a tweetlonger post on this. If you follow MrMontagoose on twitter I replied to it. He made quite a few points, not least of which is the fact that the Constitution was specifically talking about "organized militia" and not just ordinary citizens. Also, like you said, the definition of "arms" 400 years ago surely did not include assault rifles.
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