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16!!Free Agent Frenzy!! - October 9, 2020 - Page 2 Empty Re: !!Free Agent Frenzy!! - October 9, 2020 Thu Oct 08, 2020 11:37 am

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Lagoon wrote:
DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:They're trying to trade OEL and not re-signing Hall. And from what I head they're trying to shed more salary. They'll be right in the middle, probably closer to the bottom when it comes to next year's cap, that's including Hossa on LTIR

Funny thing about OEL and not sure if anyone has even mentioned this but the only teams he agreed to go to before the draft were Vancouver and Boston. Both teams didn’t have a 1st, which Arizona desperately wanted. Power move by OEL there.

Neither team has the cap space to add him or the need. He also gave them until tomorrow at 12 or he won't waive. HUGE power move.

17!!Free Agent Frenzy!! - October 9, 2020 - Page 2 Empty Re: !!Free Agent Frenzy!! - October 9, 2020 Thu Oct 08, 2020 11:40 am

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Ev wrote: I was able to get to the floor by re-signing our players alone and putting in rookies. Murray $5M, Brown $4M, Tierney $4M, Paul $1M, Chlapik $1M. And I didn't even re-sign Balcers yet. Floor won't be a problem and I expect them to bring in at least one external forward

So you're icing the same team that got us to 30th overall minus Pageau, Anderson, De Melo, Duclair, Ryan, Hainsey, Boro but with 4-5 rookies (Batherson, Norris, Stutzle, Brannstron, L.Brown) and maybe formenton, chlapik, Abramov?

Woof

18!!Free Agent Frenzy!! - October 9, 2020 - Page 2 Empty Re: !!Free Agent Frenzy!! - October 9, 2020 Thu Oct 08, 2020 11:43 am

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DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
Ev wrote: I was able to get to the floor by re-signing our players alone and putting in rookies. Murray $5M, Brown $4M, Tierney $4M, Paul $1M, Chlapik $1M. And I didn't even re-sign Balcers yet. Floor won't be a problem and I expect them to bring in at least one external forward

So you're icing the same team that got us to 30th overall minus Pageau, Anderson, De Melo, Duclair, Ryan, Hainsey, Boro but with 4-5 rookies (Batherson, Norris, Stutzle, Brannstron, L.Brown) and maybe formenton, chlapik, Abramov?

Woof

In this fictional scenario, yes. It was just to see how it won't be a problem to get to the floor.

I don't think it's a terrible strategy to think the best AHL could team could replicate similar success in the NHL, but no I don't think they'd be winning next year.

If there's no AHL season, I think it makes sense to keep your prospects in the NHL

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Honestly, Murray is an upgrade over last year's Anderson; Ryan wasn't in the lineup much last year to effect the outcome one way it another; DeMeloHainsey and Boro are more than adequately replaced by Zaitsev, Wolanin, Zub, Brown (let's face it, we're not trying to replace Chara in his prime); that leaves Pageau and Duclair - one of the best 3rd line centers and a fast, extremely streaky winger. Can Stützle score 23 in his rookie year to replace Duclair's offensive contribution? Maybe. Time for White to step up and replace Pageau; finding a replacement for what White did last year should not be a difficult exercise. Add to all this internal growth (Tkachuck, Batherson, Chlapik , Balcers - hell, even Tierney is still on a growth curve and could improve).

There's also Brannstrom, Formenton, Norris,  and an outside chance of Sanderson.

In short, the team *should* show significant (with a chance of *massive*) improvement in on-ice play.



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Lagoon wrote:The floor is 60 mill and the Sens are sitting at 40 right now. If Murray signs for 4, Brown 3.5, Tierney 4.5 and Paul 1.5 we are now at 54 million. The Sens will use all 23 roster spots, so even if you give the final 9 spots the NHL minimum salary, you are over the cap floor.

Ev wrote: I was able to get to the floor by re-signing our players alone and putting in rookies. Murray $5M, Brown $4M, Tierney $4M, Paul $1M, Chlapik $1M. And I didn't even re-sign Balcers yet. Floor won't be a problem and I expect them to bring in at least one external forward

Is there an echo in here?

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wprager wrote:Honestly, Fleury is an upgrade over last year's Anderson; Ryan wasn't in the lineup much last year to effect the outcome one way it another; DeMeloHainsey and Boro are more than adequately replaced by Zaitsev, Wolanin, Zub, Brown (let's face it, we're not trying to replace Chara in his prime); that leaves Pageau and Duclair - one of the best 3rd line centers and a fast, extremely streaky winger. Can Stützle score 23 in his rookie year to replace Duclair's offensive contribution? Maybe. Time for White to step up and replace Pageau; finding a replacement for what White did last year should not be a difficult exercise. Add to all this internal growth (Tkachuck, Batherson, Chlapik , Balcers - hell, even Tierney is still on a growth curve and could improve).

There's also Brannstrom, Formenton, Norris,  and an outside chance of Sanderson.

In short, the team *should* show significant (with a chance of *massive*) improvement in on-ice play.

Did we get Fleury too? Sarcasm

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lol - it's doable i suppose but we have zero veterans on a raw, unproven team.

Ugh - I wish we would have walked out of the draft with Rossi or Holtz over Sanderson. Has me super jaded.

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Sorry, I was having a senior moment.


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wprager wrote:Honestly,  Murray is an upgrade over last year's Anderson; Ryan wasn't in the lineup much last year to effect the outcome one way it another; DeMeloHainsey and Boro are more than adequately replaced by Zaitsev, Wolanin, Zub, Brown (let's face it, we're not trying to replace Chara in his prime); that leaves Pageau and Duclair - one of the best 3rd line centers and a fast, extremely streaky winger. Can Stützle score 23 in his rookie year to replace Duclair's offensive contribution? Maybe. Time for White to step up and replace Pageau; finding a replacement for what White did last year should not be a difficult exercise. Add to all this internal growth (Tkachuck, Batherson, Chlapik , Balcers - hell, even Tierney is still on a growth curve and could improve).

There's also Brannstrom, Formenton, Norris,  and an outside chance of Sanderson.

In short, the team *should* show significant (with a chance of *massive*) improvement in on-ice play.

With the brain fart fixed, any comments on the actual point of the post which was: this season's team should be significantly better.


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wprager wrote:
wprager wrote:Honestly,  Murray is an upgrade over last year's Anderson; Ryan wasn't in the lineup much last year to effect the outcome one way it another; DeMeloHainsey and Boro are more than adequately replaced by Zaitsev, Wolanin, Zub, Brown (let's face it, we're not trying to replace Chara in his prime); that leaves Pageau and Duclair - one of the best 3rd line centers and a fast, extremely streaky winger. Can Stützle score 23 in his rookie year to replace Duclair's offensive contribution? Maybe. Time for White to step up and replace Pageau; finding a replacement for what White did last year should not be a difficult exercise. Add to all this internal growth (Tkachuck, Batherson, Chlapik , Balcers - hell, even Tierney is still on a growth curve and could improve).

There's also Brannstrom, Formenton, Norris,  and an outside chance of Sanderson.

In short, the team *should* show significant (with a chance of *massive*) improvement in on-ice play.

With the brain fart fixed, any comments on the actual point of the post which was: this season's team should be significantly better.

I will reserve judgment until I see the final roster at camp and what the schedule looks like

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Erik Gudbranson finally comes to Ottawa for Edmonton’s 2021 5th

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Flo The Action wrote:
DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Sweet. I think you should try to include rationale for how the Sens hit the floor. Without Duclair (who was probably going to be between $3-4M) it just got that much harder.
i'm at a loss, how we hit that cap realistically. it better not be LTIR.

Either that or trading for a bunch of plugs on one-year deals.

Gudbransson - RHD, 1 yr $4M AAV, $3M salary
Ryan Kesler - LTIR, 2 yr $6.875M AAV
Derek Stepan - C, 1 yr, $6.8M AAV, $5M salary (though Arizona has their own cap floor to hit)
Hossa - LTIR, 1 yr, $5.275M AAV, $1M salary (same comment as above)

- Adam Larsson in Edmonton has one year left and is likely out until March
- Boychuk and Eriksson need new homes, etc
- Maybe Philly wants to move on from Giroux after his brutal playoff

Called it. #1 on my list . Guy is garbage . Equal to josh brown. We continue to stockpile dung

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DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:
DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Sweet. I think you should try to include rationale for how the Sens hit the floor. Without Duclair (who was probably going to be between $3-4M) it just got that much harder.
i'm at a loss, how we hit that cap realistically. it better not be LTIR.

Either that or trading for a bunch of plugs on one-year deals.

Gudbransson - RHD, 1 yr $4M AAV, $3M salary
Ryan Kesler - LTIR, 2 yr $6.875M AAV
Derek Stepan - C, 1 yr, $6.8M AAV, $5M salary (though Arizona has their own cap floor to hit)
Hossa - LTIR, 1 yr, $5.275M AAV, $1M salary (same comment as above)

- Adam Larsson in Edmonton has one year left and is likely out until March
- Boychuk and Eriksson need new homes, etc
- Maybe Philly wants to move on from Giroux after his brutal playoff

Called it. #1 on my list . Guy is garbage . Equal to josh brown. We continue to stockpile dung

It’s a one year move like hainsey last year. Sens aren’t winning anything next year

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Really starting to like Josh Brown.

Dorion is a real gem.

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Sens D is probably set

Chabot-Zaitsev
Wolanin-Zub
Brannstrom-Brown
Rielly-Gudbranson

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How does Matt Murray feel right now? Him and Jarry threw a massive bender when GudB got traded to Anaheim last year and now he’s back patrolling the ice in front of him. I can feel Murray’s tears from here.

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DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
Ev wrote: I was able to get to the floor by re-signing our players alone and putting in rookies. Murray $5M, Brown $4M, Tierney $4M, Paul $1M, Chlapik $1M. And I didn't even re-sign Balcers yet. Floor won't be a problem and I expect them to bring in at least one external forward

So you're icing the same team that got us to 30th overall minus Pageau, Anderson, De Melo, Duclair, Ryan, Hainsey, Boro but with 4-5 rookies (Batherson, Norris, Stutzle, Brannstron, L.Brown) and maybe formenton, chlapik, Abramov?

Woof


wait. you're not under the illusion that we aren't likely to wind up bottom 5 team next year right?
we are still rebuilding. especially after a few of the picks we made this year. hopefully we're able to sign someone this off season that maybe gets us a 2nd rounder at the deadline.

But we'll be lucky to be out of the bottom 10 the following year also.

this isn't the end of this gong show.

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wait. we paid to get Gudbranson? i thought we were getting paid to take him.
jeezus...

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