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anyone doing the GDT?

wprager wrote:I also find that White is the kind of player whose intangibles come through against tougher competition. I just don't think Team USA is particularly strong this year so I don't expect them to go very far. And if that turns out to be the case, then we won't see much of note from White.

We said the same thing about Lazar's intangibles.

White >>>> Lazar. Very different types of player from what I have seen of White. It's like comparing Bergeron to Dustin Brown. Different styles, different statures. Lazar is a heart and soul player. White seems to have a much higher hockey IQ.

The best we can do with Lazar at this point is trade him to Edmonton after the expansion draft. He's buddy-buddy with McDavid and played his best hockey as an Oil King. We may be able to get someone like Tyler Pitlick for him but even that's a stretch. Actually, seeing what they traded Hall for, we may be able to get Eberle for Lazar

I'd be okay with Lazar as my 4th line center primarily on a defensive, energy line. I actually think we'll miss Neil quite a bit when he retires and expect our fourth line to look something like this:

McCormick-Lazar-Robinson

In fact, I am not even sure we bring Smith back next year. Not sure where I would put him.

Hoff-Turris-Ryan
Dzingel-Brassard-Stone
XXXX-Pageau-White
McCormick-Lazar-Robinson

The 'XXX' would be one of MacArthur, Paul or Perron.

My primary move this off-season would be trying to trade Ryan. I'd be happy for the cap relief and a prospect. There will be teams out there who will lose a good player via expansion draft and may not be able to sign a player. Dallas would be an interesting landing place for Ryan. Philly makes a lot of sense but don't think they can fit him in their cap. Same with NJ, and Phoenix may need him as a cap hit.

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:White >>>> Lazar. Very different types of player from what I have seen of White. It's like comparing Bergeron to Dustin Brown. Different styles, different statures. Lazar is a heart and soul player. White seems to have a much higher hockey IQ.

The best we can do with Lazar at this point is trade him to Edmonton after the expansion draft. He's buddy-buddy with McDavid and played his best hockey as an Oil King. We may be able to get someone like Tyler Pitlick for him but even that's a stretch. Actually, seeing what they traded Hall for, we may be able to get Eberle for Lazar

Seems like just yesterday fans were scoffing at the idea of trading Lazar. In fairness, no one could have imagined how useless he has turned out. Well... almost no one...

SeawaySensFan wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:White >>>> Lazar. Very different types of player from what I have seen of White. It's like comparing Bergeron to Dustin Brown. Different styles, different statures. Lazar is a heart and soul player. White seems to have a much higher hockey IQ.

The best we can do with Lazar at this point is trade him to Edmonton after the expansion draft. He's buddy-buddy with McDavid and played his best hockey as an Oil King. We may be able to get someone like Tyler Pitlick for him but even that's a stretch. Actually, seeing what they traded Hall for, we may be able to get Eberle for Lazar

Seems like just yesterday fans were scoffing at the idea of trading Lazar. In fairness, no one could have imagined how useless he has turned out. Well... almost no one...

Like many here I was an optimist but I remember speaking with some friends about the idea of trading him after the World Juniors. When he didn't dominate there playing with McDavid I began to worry.

IMO: he's not fast, he doesn't have a great shot, he's not big, he doesn't have good on-ice vision, he's got average hands, and he gets pushed around on the ice. He has heart, a good attitude, and he's a good defensive player. In the NHL those 'intangibles' don't land you a job for too long. The Sens will qualify him (and protect him) but down the road this may end up being a bad decision to do so.

I'd look at moving him. Again, EDM seems like the most logical place. What we get back for him would be anybody's guess.

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:White >>>> Lazar. Very different types of player from what I have seen of White. It's like comparing Bergeron to Dustin Brown. Different styles, different statures. Lazar is a heart and soul player. White seems to have a much higher hockey IQ.

The best we can do with Lazar at this point is trade him to Edmonton after the expansion draft. He's buddy-buddy with McDavid and played his best hockey as an Oil King. We may be able to get someone like Tyler Pitlick for him but even that's a stretch. Actually, seeing what they traded Hall for, we may be able to get Eberle for Lazar

Seems like just yesterday fans were scoffing at the idea of trading Lazar. In fairness, no one could have imagined how useless he has turned out. Well... almost no one...

Like many here I was an optimist but I remember speaking with some friends about the idea of trading him after the World Juniors. When he didn't dominate there playing with McDavid I began to worry.

IMO: he's not fast, he doesn't have a great shot, he's not big, he doesn't have good on-ice vision, he's got average hands, and he gets pushed around on the ice. He has heart, a good attitude, and he's a good defensive player. In the NHL those 'intangibles' don't land you a job for too long. The Sens will qualify him (and protect him) but down the road this may end up being a bad decision to do so.

I'd look at moving him. Again, EDM seems like the most logical place. What we get back for him would be anybody's guess.  

The frustrating thing is they refuse to try and reclaim some value by attempting to get him some confidence in the AHL. I think he can be a 4th liner at best at this point.

I believe Lazar would now have to pass through waivers to go to the AHL. And they ain't doing that.

tim1_2 wrote:I believe Lazar would now have to pass through waivers to go to the AHL.  And they ain't doing that.

Oh yeah? I wasn't counting the games but I was aware he only had a handful left. Well done, Ottawa Senators.

Have an extra ticket to the Sens Skills competition. My son volunteered for Rogers doing the 67s game and forgot to send the email to back out. Found out this morning that it was still sitting on his drafts folder. Anyone want to claim it let me know. I'm headed over there at around 5.

I guess the ticket will go unused.

wprager wrote:Have an extra ticket to the Sens Skills competition. My son volunteered for Rogers doing the 67s game and forgot to send the email to back out. Found out this morning that it was still sitting on his drafts folder. Anyone want to claim it let me know. I'm headed over there at around 5.

I would but I'm on dad duty with my kids.

That's OK, we have extra room for hats and gloves.

Freddy Claesson with 106.9 mph - a new team record. Wow.

wprager wrote:Freddy Claesson with 106.9 mph - a new team record. Wow.

Phaneuf wins fastest skater?

SeawaySensFan wrote:

wprager wrote:Freddy Claesson with 106.9 mph - a new team record. Wow.

Phaneuf wins fastest skater?

No, but Boro skated a faster lap than Lazar. Not by much, but that was surprising.

CMac got four targets on five shots to win the accuracy shooting challenge. Good to see him out there.

Wideman wiped out after his last slapshot attempt. He may have banged his face a bit. Stayed down for a while and then I didn't see him on the ice for a couple events. Came back out, eventually but I wondered if he had to get some repairs.

No neon Dion at praccy but Freddie C is out there in his spot. Sennies play tomorrow in Washington.

That's Double Dion. Neon Deion is a different guy. Different spelling. Different sport.