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tim1_2 wrote:I liked Muller as a player...his coaching resume isn't great. I dunno if he would ever be made the HC of Montreal, though, as I'm not sure if he speaks French well at all.

I get such a kick out of this. Like, why does it matter if the coach can speak to the fans? Get a Cussing translator and the best coach. Actually, scratch that. Only hire coaches based on their language abilities and keep heading downhill. Stupid habs.

spader wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:I liked Muller as a player...his coaching resume isn't great. I dunno if he would ever be made the HC of Montreal, though, as I'm not sure if he speaks French well at all.

I get such a kick out of this. Like, why does it matter if the coach can speak to the fans? Get a Cussing translator and the best coach. Actually, scratch that. Only hire coaches based on their language abilities and keep heading downhill. Stupid habs.

It's not for the fans, it's for the media.

LeCaptain wrote:

spader wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:I liked Muller as a player...his coaching resume isn't great. I dunno if he would ever be made the HC of Montreal, though, as I'm not sure if he speaks French well at all.

I get such a kick out of this. Like, why does it matter if the coach can speak to the fans? Get a Cussing translator and the best coach. Actually, scratch that. Only hire coaches based on their language abilities and keep heading downhill. Stupid habs.

It's not for the fans, it's for the media.

I don't see how being able to communicate with the fans or the media makes a bit of difference with how you coach a team. And it's Montreal! The English-est city in Quebec. I just don't get it. That's like not drafting a player because they speak Swedish and won't be able to answer questions in a scrum.

spader wrote:

LeCaptain wrote:

spader wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:I liked Muller as a player...his coaching resume isn't great. I dunno if he would ever be made the HC of Montreal, though, as I'm not sure if he speaks French well at all.

I get such a kick out of this. Like, why does it matter if the coach can speak to the fans? Get a Cussing translator and the best coach. Actually, scratch that. Only hire coaches based on their language abilities and keep heading downhill. Stupid habs.

It's not for the fans, it's for the media.

I don't see how being able to communicate with the fans or the media makes a bit of difference with how you coach a team. And it's Montreal! The English-est city in Quebec. I just don't get it. That's like not drafting a player because they speak Swedish and won't be able to answer questions in a scrum.

I think it's amazing! Because it hampers them so much.
They freaked when we got Boucher and then Crawford!

I think muller can speak French if my memory serves me. If all else fails they have Hartley to fall back on. Hahaha

wprager wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:http://www.tsn.ca/habs-hire-muller-as-associate-coach-1.500501

Muller back to Montreal as an assistant. That has "Therrien fired if he fails to get the team going early on" written all over it.

Associate.  

Put this in the context of the owner sitting down with former Habs greats to discuss Carbonneau's concerns.  "Captain" Kirk is a former Captain of the Habs.  Problem is the current set of players don't have any connection to the glory years.  With their million dollar contracts I don't know if they will be any more inclined to listen to Carbo or Kirk or Gainey or whoever.  "To you from failing hands we throw the torch be yours to hold it high" -- not sure if that has as much meaning to multi-millionaires as it did in the past.  I think it has to start from the top -- the owner looks like he's bought in, so I think if things don't go well by November we will see a new GM (Carbo?) with Kirk taking over for Therrien.

I really don't see how carbonneau is in line to be the next GM. No experience, did a half assed job as a coach.

It's the "Hire a former player from the organization's glory days".

Off the top of my head Montreal does it, Edmonton does it and the Sens do it too.

Another pretty great Finals game. Hopefully SJ can actually win this one. 

There's been a distinct lack of rough stuff in the Finals which is kind of refreshing, although I think it would work to the Sharks' favour to make things a bit ugly.

SJ lucky to win. Pavelski, Marleau, Couture...they need these guys to do something. 

Pavelski is clearly injured. He can't move out there.

Listened to it, sounded pretty intense.

Hoags wrote:It's the "Hire a former player from the organization's glory days".

Off the top of my head Montreal does it, Edmonton does it and the Sens do it too.

Umm, you're forgetting one of the worst offenders in Philly (Clarke, Holmgren, Hextall); the Bruins have Neely and Sweeney. The Habs used to always have their former stars in community-facing roles (ambassadors). Then from '79 they had Bernie "Boom Boom" Geffrion, Jacques Lemaire, Jacques Laperriere, Mario Tremblay, Bob Gainey, Guy Carbonneau as head coaches -- all of them former players in the organization. By the way, Carbonneau had a 124-83-23 record as a head coach; they were 2nd in the North East when he got fired.

I was looking things up a bit. In January of 2009 the Habs PP was 26th in the league and Gainey said that his top priority was to find a player to help them in that respect (the Habs tied for the league lead in PP opportunities; he traded for Mathieu Schneider at the deadline to help the PP). When asked what was his best move as GM he said it was the hiring of Guy Carbonneau as head coach (the club finished 1st in the Division the year before). Three months later, with 16 games to go, he fired Carbo.

Well, I guess the Sharks are still not in trouble.

Strange game. Penguins had a huge shot clock advantage in the 1st but it really was close in territorial play. First goal for both teams the goalie never saw it. The tying goal was really weak for Murray. The OT winner as well -- Donskoi has two guys on him as he comes out from around the net so there was no way he would be able to get in front; all Murray had to do was stand up hugging the post and he went down instead and the puck goes in over his shoulder.

So one goal he never even moved on and two others that he should have stopped. This really should have been a 3-0 series lead.

I would disagree and say that the only one he really should've saved was the Ward goal.

Martin Jones was great for SJ and is the reason they won. Pittsburgh will take the series if SJ's big boys don't show up.

Have to agree Murray was bad. If they lose game four, it will be back to fleury. That OT goal was atrocious.

Pretty boring hockey with no rivalry or intensity. Hockey needs to start on September 1 or the last week of August. Too long and nobody cares once summer hits.

tim1_2 wrote:I would disagree and say that the only one he really should've saved was the Ward goal.

Martin Jones was great for SJ and is the reason they won.  Pittsburgh will take the series if SJ's big boys don't show up.

Ev wrote:Have to agree Murray was bad. If they lose game four, it will be back to fleury. That OT goal was atrocious.

You guys switched keyboards or what?

Ev wrote:Pretty boring hockey with no rivalry or intensity. Hockey needs to start on September 1 or the last week of August. Too long and nobody cares once summer hits.

I'd go even so far as saying start earlier and have fewer games. Expansion to 32 teams, 4 Divisions of 8 teams each. Have 4 games against each of the other 7 in-Division clubs, that's 28 games. Then 2 each (home/away) against the 24 other teams in the league, that's another 48 games for a total of 76 games.

That's a difference of 6 games, roughly 7%. But the World Cup of Hockey will pick up some of that slack (revenue-wise) and they could add some more playoff games -- for example, top 3 teams in each Division are in, the next 2 are the Wildcards and they play a best-of-five series to determine who gets in; the other teams rest up. Or if a best-of-five takes too long, make it best-of-three even. More teams in the playoffs (20 instead of 16) means more interest in the playoff races.

Ev wrote:Have to agree Murray was bad. If they lose game four, it will be back to fleury. That OT goal was atrocious.

Pretty boring hockey with no rivalry or intensity. Hockey needs to start on September 1 or the last week of August. Too long and nobody cares once summer hits.

I have to agree. I've watched here and there but I feel it's getting worse every year. Random people scoring, 2 scoring chances a period. Feels like they're just throwing rand Dung on net and hope it goes in. Skill is getting buried.

wprager wrote:

Hoags wrote:It's the "Hire a former player from the organization's glory days".

Off the top of my head Montreal does it, Edmonton does it and the Sens do it too.

Umm, you're forgetting one of the worst offenders in Philly (Clarke, Holmgren, Hextall); the Bruins have Neely and Sweeney.  The Habs used to always have their former stars in community-facing roles (ambassadors).  Then from '79 they had Bernie "Boom Boom" Geffrion, Jacques Lemaire, Jacques Laperriere, Mario Tremblay, Bob Gainey, Guy Carbonneau as head coaches -- all of them former players in the organization.  By the way, Carbonneau had a 124-83-23 record as a head coach; they were 2nd in the North East when he got fired.  

I was looking things up a bit.  In January of 2009 the Habs PP was 26th in the league and Gainey said that his top priority was to find a player to help them in that respect (the Habs tied for the league lead in PP opportunities; he traded for Mathieu Schneider at the deadline to help the PP).  When asked what was his best move as GM he said it was the hiring of Guy Carbonneau as head coach (the club finished 1st in the Division the year before).  Three months later, with 16 games to go, he fired Carbo.    

carbs got fired because he admitted in front of the media that he didn't know what to do to right the ship in the dressing room.
Don't know if I'd want that as a GM.

Flo The Action wrote:

wprager wrote:

Hoags wrote:It's the "Hire a former player from the organization's glory days".

Off the top of my head Montreal does it, Edmonton does it and the Sens do it too.

Umm, you're forgetting one of the worst offenders in Philly (Clarke, Holmgren, Hextall); the Bruins have Neely and Sweeney.  The Habs used to always have their former stars in community-facing roles (ambassadors).  Then from '79 they had Bernie "Boom Boom" Geffrion, Jacques Lemaire, Jacques Laperriere, Mario Tremblay, Bob Gainey, Guy Carbonneau as head coaches -- all of them former players in the organization.  By the way, Carbonneau had a 124-83-23 record as a head coach; they were 2nd in the North East when he got fired.  

I was looking things up a bit.  In January of 2009 the Habs PP was 26th in the league and Gainey said that his top priority was to find a player to help them in that respect (the Habs tied for the league lead in PP opportunities; he traded for Mathieu Schneider at the deadline to help the PP).  When asked what was his best move as GM he said it was the hiring of Guy Carbonneau as head coach (the club finished 1st in the Division the year before).  Three months later, with 16 games to go, he fired Carbo.    

carbs got fired because he admitted in front of the media that he didn't know what to do to right the ship in the dressing room.
Don't know if I'd want that as a GM.

That and he favoured Halak over Price.