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LeCaptain


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Ev wrote:Have to agree Murray was bad. If they lose game four, it will be back to fleury. That OT goal was atrocious.

Pretty boring hockey with no rivalry or intensity. Hockey needs to start on September 1 or the last week of August. Too long and nobody cares once summer hits.

I have to agree. I've watched here and there but I feel it's getting worse every year. Random people scoring, 2 scoring chances a period. Feels like they're just throwing rand Dung on net and hope it goes in. Skill is getting buried.

Flo The Action


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wprager wrote:
Hoags wrote:It's the "Hire a former player from the organization's glory days".

Off the top of my head Montreal does it, Edmonton does it and the Sens do it too.

Umm, you're forgetting one of the worst offenders in Philly (Clarke, Holmgren, Hextall); the Bruins have Neely and Sweeney.  The Habs used to always have their former stars in community-facing roles (ambassadors).  Then from '79 they had Bernie "Boom Boom" Geffrion, Jacques Lemaire, Jacques Laperriere, Mario Tremblay, Bob Gainey, Guy Carbonneau as head coaches -- all of them former players in the organization.  By the way, Carbonneau had a 124-83-23 record as a head coach; they were 2nd in the North East when he got fired.  

I was looking things up a bit.  In January of 2009 the Habs PP was 26th in the league and Gainey said that his top priority was to find a player to help them in that respect (the Habs tied for the league lead in PP opportunities; he traded for Mathieu Schneider at the deadline to help the PP).  When asked what was his best move as GM he said it was the hiring of Guy Carbonneau as head coach (the club finished 1st in the Division the year before).  Three months later, with 16 games to go, he fired Carbo.    
carbs got fired because he admitted in front of the media that he didn't know what to do to right the ship in the dressing room.
Don't know if I'd want that as a GM.

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Flo The Action wrote:
wprager wrote:
Hoags wrote:It's the "Hire a former player from the organization's glory days".

Off the top of my head Montreal does it, Edmonton does it and the Sens do it too.

Umm, you're forgetting one of the worst offenders in Philly (Clarke, Holmgren, Hextall); the Bruins have Neely and Sweeney.  The Habs used to always have their former stars in community-facing roles (ambassadors).  Then from '79 they had Bernie "Boom Boom" Geffrion, Jacques Lemaire, Jacques Laperriere, Mario Tremblay, Bob Gainey, Guy Carbonneau as head coaches -- all of them former players in the organization.  By the way, Carbonneau had a 124-83-23 record as a head coach; they were 2nd in the North East when he got fired.  

I was looking things up a bit.  In January of 2009 the Habs PP was 26th in the league and Gainey said that his top priority was to find a player to help them in that respect (the Habs tied for the league lead in PP opportunities; he traded for Mathieu Schneider at the deadline to help the PP).  When asked what was his best move as GM he said it was the hiring of Guy Carbonneau as head coach (the club finished 1st in the Division the year before).  Three months later, with 16 games to go, he fired Carbo.    
carbs got fired because he admitted in front of the media that he didn't know what to do to right the ship in the dressing room.
Don't know if I'd want that as a GM.

That and he favoured Halak over Price.

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I have no idea where you're getting this (admitting he had no idea how to fix things); no coach *ever* knows how to fix things when this happens. He had Kovalev in the room and Gainey, at one point, told him to stay home while they went on a short road trip. Do you think *that* action *fixed* thing? Gainey had no idea how to fix things either. At least Carbo could point to the roster and say he never asked for those players. Gainey took over and guided them to a virtual tie for 8th with another team. They went to the second tie-breaker (head-to-head games) to determine that Montreal got into the post-season. Those games were played primarily under Carbo. It was probably under Gainey's GM reign that they completely turfed all the old Canadiens ideals.


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I'm not saying it was all Gainey's fault, but he was brought in to fix things and he ended up breaking them even worse.


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The ship sailed under gaineys watch, no question.

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#Datgomeztradetho'

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Not enough time is spent discussing some of sather's atrocities. Redden, Gomez, Drury. So much fail.

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For me it's Milbury trading essentially Chara+Spezza for Yashin, then givng him that ridiculous contrac which they only finally stopped paying for a couple seasons ago.


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Him too.

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SpezDispensed wrote:Not enough time is spent discussing some of sather's atrocities.  Redden, Gomez,  Drury.   So much fail.

I was more talking about Gainey trading McDonagh for Gomez but sure, Sather is bad too lol

tim1_2

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wprager wrote:I'm not saying it was all Gainey's fault, but he was brought in to fix things and he ended up breaking them even worse.

I think the Gomez trade was made after Gaines's daughter died, and one of the assistant GMs was running the show.

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tim1_2 wrote:
wprager wrote:I'm not saying it was all Gainey's fault, but he was brought in to fix things and he ended up breaking them even worse.

I think the Gomez trade was made after Gaines's daughter died, and one of the assistant GMs was running the show.
The ghost?

Who ever made that trade did It to entice camalerri and gionta to come over. It was somewhat smart thinking as it worked and at that point the habs had very little and were about to have even less but they overvalued the price hey should be paying as he rags were done with Gomez and I remember the org saying they viewed McDonald as a prospect that didn't have the same value they once thought he had.
Huge blunder there.

It was a perfect example of a team using FA to try and stay competitive. Another perfect example of why on a large scale that doesn't really work.

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Well, looks like the Sharks are finally in trouble. Sid will have his second Cup to match Lemieux. Wonder where they will deal Fleury?


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tim1_2 wrote:
wprager wrote:I'm not saying it was all Gainey's fault, but he was brought in to fix things and he ended up breaking them even worse.

I think the Gomez trade was made after Gaines's daughter died, and one of the assistant GMs was running the show.

The Ghost who said at the time: "I would never try to steal a grieving father's job." While he was trying to steal a grieving father's job (Gainey).

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Gordie Howe has passed away.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/hockey-legend-gordie-howe-dead-age-88/

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Not that unexpected.

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Sad news about Gordie. I saw him play a couple times in old timers games and the guy was still pretty good in his 60s!

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