VOTE - Ottawa Senators Top Prospects: #4 (2015)

Flo The Action wrote:

Ev wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

Ev wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Don't understand how you can put White/Chabot ahead of Prince. Prince is currently at a point where he is much more likely to succeed in the NHL. Almost a point per game last season. White/Chabot all hype right now and the fact is we're basing our opinion on a few years of CHL experience and scout analysis.

Prince is more NHL ready and will have more of an impact at the NHL if given a chance over Chabot/White. Therefore he is a better prospect right now.

I've said this before but if the Sens were trading a piece last June 26 would they want to trade Shane Prince or the 18th/21st pick? Would any team trade their first round pick to get Shane Prince? I don't think so.

Of course Prince is more NHL ready but that doesn't mean he's a better prospect. He's never been highly touted like Colin White. Will he have more of an impact at the NHL level than two guys taken in the Top 21 of a very good draft? Who knows but right now that's unlikely.

First round picks are funny that way though. The minute you draft said player he isn't worth that 1st rounder anymore. You probably couldn't trade Chabot in January for a first rounder anymore. You're logic is flawed buddy.

It's not flawed, but OK. If the player keeps on developing as expected than yes they would be worth a 1st next year.

It's arguable for sure but value can go down. And I would argue that more often than not value drops a little. With a great progressions from a player it might go up. But I doubt it's most often the case until there's proof the player will become something else.

Ev wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

Ev wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

Ev wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Don't understand how you can put White/Chabot ahead of Prince. Prince is currently at a point where he is much more likely to succeed in the NHL. Almost a point per game last season. White/Chabot all hype right now and the fact is we're basing our opinion on a few years of CHL experience and scout analysis.

Prince is more NHL ready and will have more of an impact at the NHL if given a chance over Chabot/White. Therefore he is a better prospect right now.

I've said this before but if the Sens were trading a piece last June 26 would they want to trade Shane Prince or the 18th/21st pick? Would any team trade their first round pick to get Shane Prince? I don't think so.

Of course Prince is more NHL ready but that doesn't mean he's a better prospect. He's never been highly touted like Colin White. Will he have more of an impact at the NHL level than two guys taken in the Top 21 of a very good draft? Who knows but right now that's unlikely.

First round picks are funny that way though. The minute you draft said player he isn't worth that 1st rounder anymore. You probably couldn't trade Chabot in January for a first rounder anymore. You're logic is flawed buddy.

It's not flawed, but OK. If the player keeps on developing as expected than yes they would be worth a 1st next year.

It's arguable for sure but value can go down. And I would argue that more often than not value drops a little. With a great progressions from a player it might go up. But I doubt it's most often the case until there's proof the player will become something else.

the point is I am 100% positive the Sens would not trade Chabot or White for Prince if he was on another team.

Flo The Action wrote:

Ev wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

Ev wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

Ev wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Don't understand how you can put White/Chabot ahead of Prince. Prince is currently at a point where he is much more likely to succeed in the NHL. Almost a point per game last season. White/Chabot all hype right now and the fact is we're basing our opinion on a few years of CHL experience and scout analysis.

Prince is more NHL ready and will have more of an impact at the NHL if given a chance over Chabot/White. Therefore he is a better prospect right now.

I've said this before but if the Sens were trading a piece last June 26 would they want to trade Shane Prince or the 18th/21st pick? Would any team trade their first round pick to get Shane Prince? I don't think so.

Of course Prince is more NHL ready but that doesn't mean he's a better prospect. He's never been highly touted like Colin White. Will he have more of an impact at the NHL level than two guys taken in the Top 21 of a very good draft? Who knows but right now that's unlikely.

First round picks are funny that way though. The minute you draft said player he isn't worth that 1st rounder anymore. You probably couldn't trade Chabot in January for a first rounder anymore. You're logic is flawed buddy.

It's not flawed, but OK. If the player keeps on developing as expected than yes they would be worth a 1st next year.

It's arguable for sure but value can go down. And I would argue that more often than not value drops a little. With a great progressions from a player it might go up. But I doubt it's most often the case until there's proof the player will become something else.

the point is I am 100% positive the Sens would not trade Chabot or White for Prince if he was on another team.

Sexy new toy. But yes they probably have more faith in the new product. They also don't have the said players in the organization for a few years to base an estimate on what they will become. So right now they only view their upside. With Prince they have a much better view of what they have. He was drafted in the 3rd round right? Well I'm sure they are still very happy with that move. He does seem poised to make the jump. That's a big win for the org.

Flo The Action wrote:

Ev wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Don't understand how you can put White/Chabot ahead of Prince. Prince is currently at a point where he is much more likely to succeed in the NHL. Almost a point per game last season. White/Chabot all hype right now and the fact is we're basing our opinion on a few years of CHL experience and scout analysis.

Prince is more NHL ready and will have more of an impact at the NHL if given a chance over Chabot/White. Therefore he is a better prospect right now.

I've said this before but if the Sens were trading a piece last June 26 would they want to trade Shane Prince or the 18th/21st pick? Would any team trade their first round pick to get Shane Prince? I don't think so.

Of course Prince is more NHL ready but that doesn't mean he's a better prospect. He's never been highly touted like Colin White. Will he have more of an impact at the NHL level than two guys taken in the Top 21 of a very good draft? Who knows but right now that's unlikely.

First round picks are funny that way though. The minute you draft said player he isn't worth that 1st rounder anymore. You probably couldn't trade Chabot in January for a first rounder anymore. You're logic is flawed buddy.

Ev wrote:
these guys are paid to evaluate talent for a living and project the player's upside. They have scouted their potential picks a ton. I projected Shane Prince as an NHLer myself and that will look correct, but his upside is not that of a Colin White or a top D like Thomas Chabot.

Ev wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

Ev wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

Ev wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

Ev wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Don't understand how you can put White/Chabot ahead of Prince. Prince is currently at a point where he is much more likely to succeed in the NHL. Almost a point per game last season. White/Chabot all hype right now and the fact is we're basing our opinion on a few years of CHL experience and scout analysis.

Prince is more NHL ready and will have more of an impact at the NHL if given a chance over Chabot/White. Therefore he is a better prospect right now.

I've said this before but if the Sens were trading a piece last June 26 would they want to trade Shane Prince or the 18th/21st pick? Would any team trade their first round pick to get Shane Prince? I don't think so.

Of course Prince is more NHL ready but that doesn't mean he's a better prospect. He's never been highly touted like Colin White. Will he have more of an impact at the NHL level than two guys taken in the Top 21 of a very good draft? Who knows but right now that's unlikely.

First round picks are funny that way though. The minute you draft said player he isn't worth that 1st rounder anymore. You probably couldn't trade Chabot in January for a first rounder anymore. You're logic is flawed buddy.

It's not flawed, but OK. If the player keeps on developing as expected than yes they would be worth a 1st next year.

It's arguable for sure but value can go down. And I would argue that more often than not value drops a little. With a great progressions from a player it might go up. But I doubt it's most often the case until there's proof the player will become something else.

the point is I am 100% positive the Sens would not trade Chabot or White for Prince if he was on another team.

Sexy new toy. But yes they probably have more faith in the new product. They also don't have the said players in the organization for a few years to base an estimate on what they will become. So right now they only view their upside. With Prince they have a much better view of what they have. He was drafted in the 3rd round right? Well I'm sure they are still very happy with that move. He does seem poised to make the jump. That's a big win for the org.

these guys are paid to evaluate talent for a living and project the player's upside. They have scouted their potential picks a ton. I projected Shane Prince as an NHLer myself and that will look correct, but his upside is not that of a Colin White or a top D like Thomas Chabot.

Ev wrote:The likelihood of Prince becoming an impactful NHLer are less than that of Chabot and White. Based on historical probabilities.

Ev wrote:I went with Chabot because the Sens picked him over White

spader wrote:

Ev wrote:The likelihood of Prince becoming an impactful NHLer are less than that of Chabot and White. Based on historical probabilities.

I find that a bit silly. Stone has basically zero chance of being an impactful NHLer based on historical probabilities. The reality is that some players develop well and end up being better than their draft position.

spader wrote:

Ev wrote:The likelihood of Prince becoming an impactful NHLer are less than that of Chabot and White. Based on historical probabilities.

I find that a bit silly. Stone has basically zero chance of being an impactful NHLer based on historical probabilities. The reality is that some players develop well and end up being better than their draft position.

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

spader wrote:

Ev wrote:The likelihood of Prince becoming an impactful NHLer are less than that of Chabot and White. Based on historical probabilities.

I find that a bit silly. Stone has basically zero chance of being an impactful NHLer based on historical probabilities. The reality is that some players develop well and end up being better than their draft position.

Based on the logic of this thread many of you would have put Lazar before Stone. Does Lazar still project to be a better NHLer than Stone? 1st rd vs 6th rd pick. How did we vote last year?

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

spader wrote:

Ev wrote:The likelihood of Prince becoming an impactful NHLer are less than that of Chabot and White. Based on historical probabilities.

I find that a bit silly. Stone has basically zero chance of being an impactful NHLer based on historical probabilities. The reality is that some players develop well and end up being better than their draft position.

Based on the logic of this thread many of you would have put Lazar before Stone. Does Lazar still project to be a better NHLer than Stone? 1st rd vs 6th rd pick. How did we vote last year?