Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion

spader wrote:

NEELY wrote:That's always been the comparison and it's totally apt.  People had the view you can't win with Spezza for a long time, they should have cut bait 5 years ago but w/e, they didn't.  Thornton is made of the exact same mold but he actually is a better player than Spezza ever has been. 

Either way, teams are built either to win or to lose and the Sharks are built to lose just like the Sens were with Spezza.  Boston made the right move by ditching Thornton and it's paid off in a big way and will for years and years.  Hell they ditched 2 other PPG guys in Kessel and Seguin too but let me guess, you can't replace those guys!  Right Sandy  

Past tense? Sounds like you're guaranteeing that he moves. You should bet against SD.   

If anything, Thornton would likely go to Toronto who is in dire need of a top-line center and have the cap space and players required to make a trade. Thornton is also from London so there's a chance he'll waive if San Jose gets the return they want. I still imagine that priority #1 in SJ is to sign Miller. I don't see Spezza going to San Jose.

Someone mentioned Boyle wanting to retire in Ottawa. Makes sense. Don't see him commanding a large salary and would probably want a two year, $6M contract or something along those lines. Boyle still averaged 21+ mins per night in San Jose as a 38 year old. It's too bad we re-signed Phillips as one or the other would have been the smart choice.

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

spader wrote:

NEELY wrote:That's always been the comparison and it's totally apt.  People had the view you can't win with Spezza for a long time, they should have cut bait 5 years ago but w/e, they didn't.  Thornton is made of the exact same mold but he actually is a better player than Spezza ever has been. 

Either way, teams are built either to win or to lose and the Sharks are built to lose just like the Sens were with Spezza.  Boston made the right move by ditching Thornton and it's paid off in a big way and will for years and years.  Hell they ditched 2 other PPG guys in Kessel and Seguin too but let me guess, you can't replace those guys!  Right Sandy  

Past tense? Sounds like you're guaranteeing that he moves. You should bet against SD.   

If anything, Thornton would likely go to Toronto who is in dire need of a top-line center and have the cap space and players required to make a trade. Thornton is also from London so there's a chance he'll waive if San Jose gets the return they want. I still imagine that priority #1 in SJ is to sign Miller. I don't see Spezza going to San Jose.

Someone mentioned Boyle wanting to retire in Ottawa. Makes sense. Don't see him commanding a large salary and would probably want a two year, $6M contract or something along those lines. Boyle still averaged 21+ mins per night in San Jose as a 38 year old. It's too bad we re-signed Phillips as one or the other would have been the smart choice.

I don't know about Thornton in Toronto. They definitely need a #1 centre and he fits the bill.. Toronto will have to dump salary to fit him under their cap. It will probably cost them JVR and Gardiner.. plus a pick or a prospect. It won't come cheap, but are they desperate enough to do that?

Toronto has the cap space to do it. Lots of UFA forwards and Clarkson will eventually be bought out. Phaneuf could also be traded if his new contract hasn't already kicked in.

Gardiner, Kadri, 1st for Thornton?

sandysensfan wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

spader wrote:

NEELY wrote:That's always been the comparison and it's totally apt.  People had the view you can't win with Spezza for a long time, they should have cut bait 5 years ago but w/e, they didn't.  Thornton is made of the exact same mold but he actually is a better player than Spezza ever has been. 

Either way, teams are built either to win or to lose and the Sharks are built to lose just like the Sens were with Spezza.  Boston made the right move by ditching Thornton and it's paid off in a big way and will for years and years.  Hell they ditched 2 other PPG guys in Kessel and Seguin too but let me guess, you can't replace those guys!  Right Sandy  

Past tense? Sounds like you're guaranteeing that he moves. You should bet against SD.   

If anything, Thornton would likely go to Toronto who is in dire need of a top-line center and have the cap space and players required to make a trade. Thornton is also from London so there's a chance he'll waive if San Jose gets the return they want. I still imagine that priority #1 in SJ is to sign Miller. I don't see Spezza going to San Jose.

Someone mentioned Boyle wanting to retire in Ottawa. Makes sense. Don't see him commanding a large salary and would probably want a two year, $6M contract or something along those lines. Boyle still averaged 21+ mins per night in San Jose as a 38 year old. It's too bad we re-signed Phillips as one or the other would have been the smart choice.

I don't know about Thornton in Toronto.  They definitely need a #1 centre and he fits the bill..  Toronto will have to dump salary to fit him under their cap.  It will probably cost them JVR and Gardiner.. plus a pick or a prospect.  It won't come cheap, but are they desperate enough to do that?

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Toronto has the cap space to do it. Lots of UFA forwards and Clarkson will eventually be bought out. Phaneuf could also be traded if his new contract hasn't already kicked in.

Gardiner, Kadri, 1st for Thornton?

I think sandy is right that Thornton won't come cheap, but that package that DWC suggested makes sense. If SJS loses Boyle, Gardiner might be a good fit and Kadri would replace some of the offence lost. Pavelski, Couture, Kadri would be a good mix of centers, and one could move to wing (Kadri) if need be.

I think that trade could work. I don't know that it makes the Sharks better, but I expect that they'll be making a few changes so who knows?

if shanahan has an inch of influence over a trade there is no way he agrees to a trade that sees thornton come over. nope. not happening.
i hate toronto but i don't see them getting that desperate for a guy on wrong side of 30.

I would love it if Toronto made some huge dumb trade for Thornton...I don't think even the Leafs management is that dumb.

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Toronto has the cap space to do it. Lots of UFA forwards and Clarkson will eventually be bought out. Phaneuf could also be traded if his new contract hasn't already kicked in.

Gardiner, Kadri, 1st for Thornton?

Buying out Clarkson saves them around 600K to about 1M. Is it really worth it?

I'll wait and see what Chip Martin says about a potential trade.

spader wrote:

NEELY wrote:Oh, I'll take a bet up to $100 on it.

504Heater SpezDispenser TurrisTime, N4L is ready to make a bet with you.

I think I'm keeping SpezDispenser. I haven't decided yet though.

The Friedman mentions on Toronto radio this morning that he believes Spezza is getting traded (not right now, but this summer). He mentions the Blues as being in on J-Spezz, and also Nashville as being desperate for offense.

We've also come to our own conclusions that the Kings and Ducks might have interest based on the outcome of that playoff series.

Lots of options there.

More, per Friedman:

"A lot of teams need offense, St.Louis/Nashville, the price will be high [for Spezza]"

"If Murray says he's on the market there will be teams throwing themselves at him"

If that's the case then it's nothing but good for the Sens.  Nashville makes the most sense from their end, no question.  Do they have the pieces to get it done?  They might.

NEELY wrote:If that's the case then it's nothing but good for the Sens.  Nashville makes the most sense from their end, no question.  Do they have the pieces to get it done?  They might.

Like I said before, I wouldn't be shocked to see Spezza and Cowen moved for young Weber.

If Murray makes this trade... it will be the one that defines him...

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:If that's the case then it's nothing but good for the Sens.  Nashville makes the most sense from their end, no question.  Do they have the pieces to get it done?  They might.

Like I said before, I wouldn't be shocked to see Spezza and Cowen moved for young Weber.

Ha.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:If that's the case then it's nothing but good for the Sens.  Nashville makes the most sense from their end, no question.  Do they have the pieces to get it done?  They might.

Like I said before, I wouldn't be shocked to see Spezza and Cowen moved for young Weber.

After already losing Suter I don't see it but, I'd certainly love to see that happen. Imagine Weber - Karlsson manning the point on a PP?????    

Yah won't be happening.

If it's a deal with Nashville it's probably for their 1st this year (11th overall) or maybe next years 1st but I doubt that.  The prospect?  IMO is should be Salomaki, he's exactly what you want in a young winger, talent, speed, and grit, plays like a true Finn.  The roster player?  They don't have a ton that can come in and play right now so that's an issue, you might be looking at Jarnkrok plus a guy like Wilson.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:If that's the case then it's nothing but good for the Sens.  Nashville makes the most sense from their end, no question.  Do they have the pieces to get it done?  They might.

Like I said before, I wouldn't be shocked to see Spezza and Cowen moved for young Weber.

After already losing Suter I don't see it but, I'd certainly love to see that happen.  Imagine Weber - Karlsson manning the point on a PP?????    

Weber is a rightie.