GDT: 'Nucks @ Sens - 7:30PM, RDS, NHLN-US, SNET-OTT

LeKing wrote:It seems the Sens are getting better every game and TBH we don't get hemmed into our zone as much.
The reason we lost the past few games is not the same reason we lost the ones before that.
Either Maclean accepts to give the reigns to the young guys or he needs to be fired.

Murray is to blame for this too... pretty easy to trade Anderson at this point and if MacLean keeps forcing Anderson into the net then that's exactly what needs to be done. This is getting stupid.

I know MacLean can't throw a goaltender under the bus but I am so sick and tired of hearing "they have to stop making mistakes". Every team makes mistakes and everyone including the Sens have a goaltender that makes saves when they do. It's a BS excuse right now for awful coaching decisions with the goaltenders.

Also, I think Spezza is getting off a little too easy. Last night with around 5 mins left (give or take) the Canucks chipped it out of their zone and while everyone is Ottawa cleared Spezza just gliiiiiided on back, no hustle, no stride, no effort... puck is regained by Ottawa, pass over to Karlsson and while he's entering the zone with some speed and a potential scoring chance it's blown offside. Why? Because Spezza refused to skate.

It's just one of many plays where Spezza just puts nothing into it. Things don't go his way he pouts. Sick of it.

BUILD THE TEAM AROUND THE BIG FOUR! Lehner, Ryan, Turris, and Karlsson. Those 4 pieces are all potential franchise players if not are already there. Turris is the only one I wouldn't put into that realm of player but he's close as well.

PMac: We don't play hard enough for long enough...

I think pretty much everyone on the planet assumed Lehner would start this game. I understand they wanted to build Andy's confidence, but the guy's gotta do that on his own at this point. He's had enough opportunities. It's Lehner time.

tim1_2 wrote:I think pretty much everyone on the planet assumed Lehner would start this game.  I understand they wanted to build Andy's confidence, but the guy's gotta do that on his own at this point.  He's had enough opportunities.  It's Lehner time.  

Ummm, I think a lot of people really didn't assume anything in terms of who would be starting but everyone pretty much flat out said "put Lehner in, Anderson was awful in the win last night". Even the biggest Anderson supporters and the biggest Lehner critics are past the point of personal bias... it's obvious who should be in the nets and given a lot of rope but hey, we aren't the coach.

Best thing Murray can do right now is move Anderson to Florida for Clemmensson and a pick. His value is close to worthless at this point but there is one place that needs a goaltender longer term and that is indeed Miami. Just clear this sh*t storm that's about to hit the locker room.

I think PMac is trying to catch lightning in a bottle with either of our goalies, hoping one of them clicks and goes on a run...

It may be time to give Lehner a few starts in a row and use Andy if there are any back to back situations.

shabbs wrote:I think PMac is trying to catch lightning in a bottle with either of our goalies, hoping one of them clicks and goes on a run...

It may be time to give Lehner a few starts in a row and use Andy if there are any back to back situations.

Lehner has had 1 game that wasn't great and he still stopped 35 shots, lol. That's BS if that's actually the case. He's leaning on Anderson and the guy has folded like Elliott did in Ottawa, I think it's that obvious and transparent. He's beyond reluctant to give Lehner the nets right now because god forbid he might outplay Anderson and take the job for good.

"We don't work hard enough, long enough". Well if the chosen one didn't let in a back breaker (usually 2) every single game then perhaps the effort level would be there as well as the captain dogging it night in and night out.

NEELY wrote:

shabbs wrote:I think PMac is trying to catch lightning in a bottle with either of our goalies, hoping one of them clicks and goes on a run...

It may be time to give Lehner a few starts in a row and use Andy if there are any back to back situations.

Lehner has had 1 game that wasn't great and he still stopped 35 shots, lol.  That's BS if that's actually the case.  He's leaning on Anderson and the guy has folded like Elliott did in Ottawa, I think it's that obvious and transparent. He's beyond reluctant to give Lehner the nets right now because god forbid he might outplay Anderson and take the job for good.

"We don't work hard enough, long enough".  Well if the chosen one didn't let in a back breaker (usually 2) every single game then perhaps the effort level would be there as well as the captain dogging it night in and night out.

He's certainly been giving Andy the lion's share of the opportunities. When Lehner did actually get going ('memba that string of wins everyone?) he put Andy back in because he was available after returning from injury. Killed any momentum. We've been floundering since.

The only reason I can think of for continuing to start Anderson is that they don't want Lehner to put up great numbers this year and inflate his value as they need to resign him this summer.

And I'm serious. There is no way any logical human being can look at the current situation and NOT run with Lehner for a while. And I don't think P-Mac is crazy.

tim1_2 wrote:The only reason I can think of for continuing to start Anderson is that they don't want Lehner to put up great numbers this year and inflate his value as they need to resign him this summer.  

And I'm serious.  There is no way any logical human being can look at the current situation and NOT run with Lehner for a while.  And I don't think P-Mac is crazy.

If that's the case, then it's a damn shame. I hope it's not, but yeah, very odd moves. Direction from above? Meddling? Who knows... bah.

shabbs wrote:

NEELY wrote:

shabbs wrote:I think PMac is trying to catch lightning in a bottle with either of our goalies, hoping one of them clicks and goes on a run...

It may be time to give Lehner a few starts in a row and use Andy if there are any back to back situations.

Lehner has had 1 game that wasn't great and he still stopped 35 shots, lol.  That's BS if that's actually the case.  He's leaning on Anderson and the guy has folded like Elliott did in Ottawa, I think it's that obvious and transparent. He's beyond reluctant to give Lehner the nets right now because god forbid he might outplay Anderson and take the job for good.

"We don't work hard enough, long enough".  Well if the chosen one didn't let in a back breaker (usually 2) every single game then perhaps the effort level would be there as well as the captain dogging it night in and night out.

He's certainly been giving Andy the lion's share of the opportunities. When Lehner did actually get going ('memba that string of wins everyone?) he put Andy back in because he was available after returning from injury. Killed any momentum. We've been floundering since.

Yup, MacLean as good as he was last year and the year before is totally at fault for the way this team has gone. He messed with the only thing that worked this year and it's been downhill every since. He complains about the team not being consistent but he's the poster boy for that right now.

Yeah why Lehner wasn't in last night is so stupid that you start wondering if he's trying to send a message to Murray. I just don't get it. If Anderson had killed it vs Washington I could maybe see it, but he didn't abd I can't.

NEELY wrote:We'll see but again I see Mike Fisher with his career year being around 30 goals.  If he can consistently find a way to be a 25-30 goal scorer year in and year out as the 2nd line center in Ottawa, that would be amazing.  Don't see it though, think he lacks some hockey sense just as Fisher did.

Not a knock, just what I see and fact is I think that's exactly the type of player they need him to be.

Fisher will never get 30; I think Zibanejad is showing a lot of potential for getting 30+. He's on pace for 24 even though he started the year in Bingo, then when he got back up to Ottawa he was getting fewer than 10 minutes. He's averaging 13:31 now and 2 on the PP. Those are not top-six numbers. If he get 15-18 minutes a game with increased PP time, plus improves as he gets more experience, gains some strength, then 30+ is conservative, IMO.

We'll see I guess.

NEELY wrote:

shabbs wrote:

NEELY wrote:

shabbs wrote:I think PMac is trying to catch lightning in a bottle with either of our goalies, hoping one of them clicks and goes on a run...

It may be time to give Lehner a few starts in a row and use Andy if there are any back to back situations.

Lehner has had 1 game that wasn't great and he still stopped 35 shots, lol.  That's BS if that's actually the case.  He's leaning on Anderson and the guy has folded like Elliott did in Ottawa, I think it's that obvious and transparent. He's beyond reluctant to give Lehner the nets right now because god forbid he might outplay Anderson and take the job for good.

"We don't work hard enough, long enough".  Well if the chosen one didn't let in a back breaker (usually 2) every single game then perhaps the effort level would be there as well as the captain dogging it night in and night out.

He's certainly been giving Andy the lion's share of the opportunities. When Lehner did actually get going ('memba that string of wins everyone?) he put Andy back in because he was available after returning from injury. Killed any momentum. We've been floundering since.

Yup, MacLean as good as he was last year and the year before is totally at fault for the way this team has gone.  He messed with the only thing that worked this year and it's been downhill every since.  He complains about the team not being consistent but he's the poster boy for that right now.

PMac certainly shoulders most of the blame for not managing the team properly when certain players just aren't getting it done and others are. Rewarding the wrong players and demoting the wrong ones as well.

Yup, hasn't been a good year for MacLean, his decisions have not worked out like they did last year but the Sens are way tougher to coach this year as well. Not everyone is or had bought in.

NEELY wrote:Yup, hasn't been a good year for MacLean, his decisions have not worked out like they did last year but the Sens are way tougher to coach this year as well.  Not everyone is or had bought in.

I've bought in. To the fact that "Mac" is a stupid jacka$s with an even stupider looking mustache.

shabbs wrote:PMac: We don't play hard enough for long enough...

That's what sh... umm, never mind.