Game Night - Ottawa @ Toronto - Sat, Feb 16, 2013

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Ev wrote:let's rip on the golden boy Silf who was actually expected to contribute but does nothing but play the perimeter and is very slow. Time to sit him for a game. [/quote

33 is getting chances, playing hard, and doing his job for the most part. Puck wasn't going in for him and it probably wont change for most of the year. He's been a ton better than Zibabejad, it isn't close. Much like it was in the AHL.

Outside of the last few games, that's Dung and you know it. Silf isn't getting any chances other than long shots off the rush.

He should be a ton better than him, and he hasn't been.

Da Costa looks great, Silfverberg looks decent and has most of the year, DD hd a solid first outing, Turris was getting up and down the ice prety good but didn't create much. Anderson looked great again.

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:let's rip on the golden boy Silf who was actually expected to contribute but does nothing but play the perimeter and is very slow. Time to sit him for a game.

33 is getting chances, playing hard, and doing his job for the most part. Puck wasn't going in for him and it probably wont change for most of the year. He's been a ton better than Zibabejad, it isn't close. Much like it was in the AHL.

Outside of the last few games, that's Dung and you know it.

He should be a ton better than him, and he hasn't been.

Besides a lucky deflection off the foot of a Montreal D man and a good first couple games, Zibanejad has been awful. No issus with ho Silfverberg is playing because he is always in the right spot, gets his chances, and gets pucks on net with consistency Only thing missing in his game is some finish right now ans that wil come with time much like it did in the AHL.

I dont care about production, I care about players doing their job. Zibanejad hasn't done a thing and truth be told if DD plays another game like he did tonight he will knock 93 off the top 6.

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:let's rip on the golden boy Silf who was actually expected to contribute but does nothing but play the perimeter and is very slow. Time to sit him for a game.

33 is getting chances, playing hard, and doing his job for the most part. Puck wasn't going in for him and it probably wont change for most of the year. He's been a ton better than Zibabejad, it isn't close. Much like it was in the AHL.

Outside of the last few games, that's Dung and you know it.

He should be a ton better than him, and he hasn't been.

Besides a lucky deflection off the foot of a Montreal D man and a good first couple games, Zibanejad has been awful. No issus with ho Silfverberg is playing because he is always in the right spot, gets his chances, and gets pucks on net with consistency Only thing missing in his game is some finish right now ans that wil come with time much like it did in the AHL.

I dont care about production, I care about players doing their job. Zibanejad hasn't done a thing and truth be told if DD plays another game like he did tonight he will knock 93 off the top 6.

Wow, I didn't think your Dung meter could go any higher. I'm done here.

wprager wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Loved Da Costa's game, really liked Gryba too.

Really disliked Zibanejad's game. He's absolutely not doing anything at this level, he's got a choppy stride, he looks like an AHLer, unless this is just a really rough patch.

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Not impressed with him in the least. Thought he has had some good games but he's limited in what he can do and my opinon hasn't changed on him one bit.

Sure it has. Re-read what you said about him when he got drafted.

Drafted vs what I have seen with my own eyes are two different things.

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Loved Da Costa's game, really liked Gryba too.

Really disliked Zibanejad's game. He's absolutely not doing anything at this level, he's got a choppy stride, he looks like an AHLer, unless this is just a really rough patch.

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Not impressed with him in the least. Thought he has had some good games but he's limited in what he can do and my opinon hasn't changed on him one bit.

you are the definition of a flip-flopper

When I have I flip flopped on Zibanejad once? Said he has limited hockey sense, upside is Mike Fisher, and think he's going to be a decent NHLer. People who have him penciled in as anything other than a 2nd, 3rd line tweener are nuts. If he turns into a Fisher type there is nothing wrong with that.

you went nuts after his first few games this year. Nuff said.

He was fantastic his first 2 or 3 games. Not once did I say he was anything more that an at best 2nd line center with limited hockey sense.... so don't really see your point. I remember you even said "now do you see his potential to be elite" or somehting along those lines and I basically said "no I dont but he can be a good player for a long time".

Don't get me commenting on a player in a game vs my overall opinion.

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:let's rip on the golden boy Silf who was actually expected to contribute but does nothing but play the perimeter and is very slow. Time to sit him for a game.

33 is getting chances, playing hard, and doing his job for the most part. Puck wasn't going in for him and it probably wont change for most of the year. He's been a ton better than Zibabejad, it isn't close. Much like it was in the AHL.

Outside of the last few games, that's Dung and you know it.

He should be a ton better than him, and he hasn't been.

Besides a lucky deflection off the foot of a Montreal D man and a good first couple games, Zibanejad has been awful. No issus with ho Silfverberg is playing because he is always in the right spot, gets his chances, and gets pucks on net with consistency Only thing missing in his game is some finish right now ans that wil come with time much like it did in the AHL.

I dont care about production, I care about players doing their job. Zibanejad hasn't done a thing and truth be told if DD plays another game like he did tonight he will knock 93 off the top 6.

Wow, I didn't think your Dung meter could go any higher. I'm done here.

lol, k bud. Have a good one. Sorry for pointing out the obvious and your man crush is looking like he should be no where near an NHL arena.

Why the $*%* are you guys arguing about which of our rookies is worse? We had three players with their first NHL games in the lineup tonight. And instead of taking them under their wing and showing them the ropes, the vets look like they have filed their retirement papers.

I didn't think the Sens played a poor game at all. Thought it was about as good as can be expected. The most embarassing thing tonight was the fact Greening was scratched for 2 kids who are at best going to be 3rd liners in the NHL and haven't playe a game in the NHL before tonight.

My thoughts on Silfverberg are based on the fact he gets his scoring chances, gets his shots to the net and on net most nights, and is still playing a fairly decent defensive game. He's been fine and you can expect him to get beter. If players are getting scoring chances, especially goal scorers tha are rookies, thats all you can ask for.

I am more interested about giving Bishop some playing time to get a 2nd round pick at the deadline. Gonchar should net a 2nd rounder as well I think.
We played hard tonight, but not enough skill is not enough skill. Continue to draft well.

LeKing wrote:I am more interested about giving Bishop some playing time to get a 2nd round pick at the deadline. Gonchar should net a 2nd rounder as well I think.
We played hard tonight, but not enough skill is not enough skill. Continue to draft well.

Yup, getting some picks or prospects for Gonchar, Bishop, Lundin, Regin, and Greening. Giving the Sens managment a chance to look at the kids in the NHL and see who and who doesn't belong is a luxury if expectations are somewhat realistic.

Take you top 5 pick, hopefully make a good off season signing to help out he forwards, and turn the corner into a contender next year. The rest of the season might look bleek but they are extremely close to being on top of the East.

LeKing wrote:I am more interested about giving Bishop some playing time to get a 2nd round pick at the deadline. Gonchar should net a 2nd rounder as well I think.
We played hard tonight, but not enough skill is not enough skill. Continue to draft well.

Spezza's last 5 games the PP was 4 for 13, and that's including 0 for 2 in his last game. It was actually 3 for 8 in the next two games (Zibanejad's two "star" games. Since then, nothing.

Power play definitely could have won games in Carolina and tonight...

Ev wrote:Outside of the last few games, that's Dung and you know it. Silf isn't getting any chances other than long shots off the rush.

He should be a ton better than him, and he hasn't been.

The first 5 games Zibanejad played, he was excellent, the last 5 he's done nothing. That goes for Silf as well, but I've seen him at least do creative things with the puck. He's 19, it's to be expected, but don't defend Z-Bad right now, either he gets a ton of coaching and bouces back, or he should rightfully be in the AHL until he's ready. Silf might even be inching towards that as well, but good 2 ways play and at least being at the center of some chances make it doubtful he'd go back to the AHL.

Da Costa can rent a place here for a while - at least 10 games, but Zibenejad should not and if this continues, I see no reason for him not to be back in the AHL for more seasoning - surely not an unlikely scenario for a teen.

Strome and Scheifele are still in junior, let's not forget. They also don't have to transition to the smaller ice.

Yeah, I'm not trying to be negative with Zibanejad, but it's a waste of time right now - unless Murray and Mac think they can help him more by him being here.

I mean...why are people dead against rookies and young players like him being shuttled back and forth? You hit a wall in the NHL, you get instructions on what to work on in the AHL, you go down, you Diddle some Dung up, you come back up with energy. Rinse and repeat. It works all the time - see Da Costa.

Haven't looked at the stats but he seemed to have won a lot of faceoffs too last night. He isn't getting pushed around anymore and actually looks pretty strong out there. Laid a big hit on Phaneuf as well.
Oh I'm talking about DaCosta btw. He looks pretty young Alfie-like right now.

Da Costa has been impressive for a while now, he is ready for the NHL but he does need to get stronger still.