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Trade Bonanza 2012! Speculation, Rumours, the Works!

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NEELY


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Calgary better get on it soon because they need to blow that thing up from the start. They could be in for a decade of rebuilding.

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Yeah I am glad I'm not a Flame fan. What a mess. We poke fun at your rivals in Ontario and Quebec, but Alberta's not much better (with Edmonton being the exception - they have a bright future).

Calgarys dangerously close to the cap and have s many useless, overpaid players.

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Riprock wrote:Yeah I am glad I'm not a Flame fan. What a mess. We poke fun at your rivals in Ontario and Quebec, but Alberta's not much better (with Edmonton being the exception - they have a bright future).

Calgarys dangerously close to the cap and have s many useless, overpaid players.

They have 2 or 3 very good to nice pieces. They are in for a really long haul too. No goaltending, no defense, no real 2nd-4th line guys that have been brought up through the organization.

People say guys like Greening, Condra, Smith, and Daugavins are just plugs, but these are guys that have been in the organization for years now and have been developed within it. Where's Edmonton's?

Calgary, yah, they have close to nothing in terms of prospects, close to nothing in terms of young assets, and close to nothing in terms of guys with high end upside.

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EDM's got JDD as a relatively young goalie, then they have Olivier Roy and Tyler Bunz as prospects.

They got a lot of prospects on D and at F. And with that youth, and a passionate owner, they can hopefully now attract FA's.

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Riprock wrote:EDM's got JDD as a relatively young goalie, then they have Olivier Roy and Tyler Bunz as prospects.

They got a lot of prospects on D and at F. And with that youth, and a passionate owner, they can hopefully now attract FA's.


They have some prospects but besides maybe a guy like Meril (and he won't even QB a power play) they have nothing that is close to being a gauranteed NHLer.

As for their goaltenders, JDD was beat out of his job by Dubnyk who isn't all that great. Oliver Roy is 5'10 and a buck 50 and isn't all that good of a goaltender either.

Edmonton is fighting it out to not be a lotto team this year because there is no depth in the organization. It's easy to pick number 1, it's harder to pick the right players with everything after that... something Bryan Murray and company do very, very well.

Basically what I am saying is Edmonton's scouting is unproven and IMO isn't all that great. That's why teams like the Islanders, BJ's, and pre-Tallon Panthers suck every single year.

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Comparables for Getzlaf and Perry, IMO, are Carter/Richards. So 1st rnd pick + top 6 fwd (+ prospect).

And Ryan = Kessel (two 1st's and a 2nd or equivalent)

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Edmonton has the forwards. Hall, RNH and Eberle are sick, and hopefully MPS develops. And they still have Gagner, and a nice supporting cast. Smyth''s like the Alfie of Edmonton (not so much skill-wise, but character and popularity).

Edmonton could very well get a good defenceman in the 1st round of this draft. Who knows what happens in 2013. Imagine they got Ekblad?

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Minor trade just made between TBay and Flames: CLG trade Mikkelsson to Bolts for Blair Jones.

May be a precursor to larger deals?

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Riprock wrote:EDM's got JDD as a relatively young goalie, then they have Olivier Roy and Tyler Bunz as prospects.

They got a lot of prospects on D and at F. And with that youth, and a passionate owner, they can hopefully now attract FA's.


The city still sucks though. Having a good TEAM situation is one reason why a player would choose to sign somewhere, but I would argue that the CITY you will have to live in for a large portion of the year would play an equally large role in that decision. And Edmonton blows.

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wprager wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:I'll stick to my initial gut reaction and say one of the Big 3 to Florida for Gudbranson, 1st + Howden (I think they have him).

You don't think that would be an overpayment?

A little, but they have mad assets and players like Perry and Ryan and even Getzlaf don't come around for trade very often. Florida has Huberdeau + Markstrom coming down the pipes, two massive additions to their already nice roster. Plus, if Howden goes, they'd still have Bjugstad (sp) and the Russian guy Dadonov. Huberdeau with Perry or Ryan sounds like a power couple to me - and again, Tallon is madly aggressive. Maybe the Howden piece is overkill, maybe it's someone from their roster like...Matthias or someone instead. Not sure.

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NEELY wrote:
Riprock wrote:EDM's got JDD as a relatively young goalie, then they have Olivier Roy and Tyler Bunz as prospects.

They got a lot of prospects on D and at F. And with that youth, and a passionate owner, they can hopefully now attract FA's.


They have some prospects but besides maybe a guy like Meril (and he won't even QB a power play) they have nothing that is close to being a gauranteed NHLer.

As for their goaltenders, JDD was beat out of his job by Dubnyk who isn't all that great. Oliver Roy is 5'10 and a buck 50 and isn't all that good of a goaltender either.

Edmonton is fighting it out to not be a lotto team this year because there is no depth in the organization. It's easy to pick number 1, it's harder to pick the right players with everything after that... something Bryan Murray and company do very, very well.

Basically what I am saying is Edmonton's scouting is unproven and IMO isn't all that great. That's why teams like the Islanders, BJ's, and pre-Tallon Panthers suck every single year.

While I agree, I liked Klefbom's game in the WJC a lot. I'm sure they're pleased as punch with him there. It's true though, they're not the best drafters after the first overall.

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In Anaheim's case it would be tough to make a deal with a playoff team since they are (supposedly) looking for even talent. Could me more likely a swap of star players with another bottom dweller to shake things up for the upcoming season.

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SeawaySensFan wrote:In Anaheim's case it would be tough to make a deal with a playoff team since they are (supposedly) looking for even talent. Could me more likely a swap of star players with another bottom dweller to shake things up for the upcoming season.

Columbus?! Ahhhhh!

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SpezDispenser wrote:I'll stick to my initial gut reaction and say one of the Big 3 to Florida for Gudbranson, 1st + Howden (I think they have him).
If that's for Ryan, I'd say it's a reasonable deal from the ANA perspective. I highly doubt FLA moves Gudbranson, though.

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shabbs wrote:Naturally, here in Toronto, the radio stations are all abuzz about the Leafs being in on the Getzlaf sweepstakes.
With Toronto, you gotta think that any trade for a player of the caliber of Getzlaf would involve TO's first rounder, as they have a lack of other A+ assets.
The Leafs already have 45 points. It's highly likely, even with a terrible 2nd half, that they wind up with 80+ points, putting their 1st outside the top 5 (it'll likely end up outside the top 10). In what world is a 10-14 pick an A+ asset?

People overrate draft picks and prospects so much it's insane. No offense, but seriously...
tim1_2 wrote:
shabbs wrote:Naturally, here in Toronto, the radio stations are all abuzz about the Leafs being in on the Getzlaf sweepstakes.

Speculation abound. For Getzlaf to Toronto, this makes some sense. Getzlaf would be that #1C Toronto has been desperate for, plus he seems like Burke's type of player (i.e. an bunghole?). Anyway, what would Toronto send the other way? Kadri and their first rounder, plus a mediocre roster player? I have a tough time imagining that Anaheim would accept anything less than a good prospect, decent roster player, and high draft pick.

With Toronto, you gotta think that any trade for a player of the caliber of Getzlaf would involve TO's first rounder, as they have a lack of other A+ assets. But then you also have to think that Burke will be reluctant to part with the 1st rounder, especially after the circus that (still) is the Kessel trade debacle. Of course, trading ONE first rounder (plus other things) would be a lot easier to stomach than TWO first rounders, but the stigma remains. Or does the Kessel circus play into this at all…Burke has a tendency to not give a Dung about anything else (which could be a good thing in this instance).

Also, a guy like Getzlaf (egotistical, "big" personality) seems like he could be a handful in the locker room, and the locker room in Toronto is one match short of an explosion…guys like Kessel and Phaneuf have reps for not being the most "team friendly" players. I kind of think Kadri will also provide some locker room friction.

Anyway, lots of speculation. Certainly Getzlaf would be a huge pickup for Toronto, but at what cost, and does this finally make them a consistent playoff team? Well, if Getzlaf turned his game around a little, it probably would push Toronto into the playoff picture for the forseeable future.
I think Kadri has pretty significant value to actual GMs and I'm certain Schenn does as well. It's not as bad a starting point as people make it out to be.

Getzlaf, however, has been a top-10 center in the league for the last 5 years (this year obviously notwithstanding). It's going to take a premiere package to get him out of California. While I think that TO assets hold more value than many fans believe, I agree with most that they don't hold enough individual or cummulative value to return a player like Getzlaf.

A team like CBJ probably has the assets, but they shouldn't be trading for him either. EDM on the other hand, has both the assets and the need for a bonafide top-2 center to take some pressure off RNH. NYI also really needs to make a move to solidify their future. Getting Getzlaf on the Island would be a smart move, but they're a dumb organization. NSH should take a long hard look at him too.

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SpezDispenser wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:In Anaheim's case it would be tough to make a deal with a playoff team since they are (supposedly) looking for even talent. Could me more likely a swap of star players with another bottom dweller to shake things up for the upcoming season.

Columbus?! Ahhhhh!

Could be. Or Murray is just blowing hot air to motivate his guys.

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SeawaySensFan wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:In Anaheim's case it would be tough to make a deal with a playoff team since they are (supposedly) looking for even talent. Could me more likely a swap of star players with another bottom dweller to shake things up for the upcoming season.

Columbus?! Ahhhhh!

Could be. Or Murray is just blowing hot air to motivate his guys.

No doubt motiviation is the goal here, but if it doesn't work, a trade of at least one of the three must happen at some point (you can't really change your team's fortunes when the three offensive superstars you lean on aren't getting it done). Both Perry's and Getzlaf's contracts are up after next season. You have to think that they'll be looking for NTCs on their next contracts...if ANA gives them those, then their hands become tied. If ANA doesn't turn things around by NEXT trade deadline, at least one of these guys will be gone via trade. Just hard to say if anything will happen this year.

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If I'm Anaheim, I would want Kadri+Colborne and their 2012 1st for Getzlaf.


EDIT: And if I was Brian Burke I would probably do it.

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Oglethorpe wrote:If I'm Anaheim, I would want Kadri+Colborne and their 2012 1st for Getzlaf.


EDIT: And if I was Brian Burke I would probably do it.
I completely forgot they had Colborne Facepalm definitely a package with value but Anaheim could probably get better.

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