POLL: Do you prefer the old Sens' logo over the current?

spader wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:yep the big zero in front of a jersey would make us the laughing stock of the league especially since we'll probably be bottom feeders.
just a bad idea.

I find it astonishing that I even have to argue this point anymore.

That's weird. I thought you liked the "O" jersey. You should get one custom-made. That way, when your super nintendo jersey is in the wash, you'll have one to wear.

It would be the icing on the cake for this franchise in terms of marketing decisions, that's for sure.

Put the "O" on a shield or something and I could be sold. Anything to mitigate the "WE'RE A BUNCH OF ZEROES" effect. The "O" by itself would invite the kind of negativity that the franchise has, rightfully or not, too often earned from the media and other fanbases.

spader wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:yep the big zero in front of a jersey would make us the laughing stock of the league especially since we'll probably be bottom feeders.
just a bad idea.

I find it astonishing that I even have to argue this point anymore.

That's weird. I thought you liked the "O" jersey. You should get one custom-made. That way, when your super nintendo jersey is in the wash, you'll have one to wear.

I bet if you servayed the players in ottawa they'd tell you they're against it also. I hope when it does happen and the reaction is what it is someone in the marketing department finally gets fired.

the black sens jersey and the new one are great if you ask me. I'm not sure what's the fuss about. the funny thing is it seems(I may be wrong) that the people that like the old jersey also like the 0 idea. and the people that like the new one, like the black one. it's almost like there's to schools of thoughts on this one. maybe i'm wrong.

also the one we're using at the moment does not look like a picture IMO. does have a "art deco" kind of look to it from the 30's. works well for me.

rooneypoo wrote:

spader wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:yep the big zero in front of a jersey would make us the laughing stock of the league especially since we'll probably be bottom feeders.
just a bad idea.

I find it astonishing that I even have to argue this point anymore.

That's weird. I thought you liked the "O" jersey. You should get one custom-made. That way, when your super nintendo jersey is in the wash, you'll have one to wear.

It would be the icing on the cake for this franchise in terms of marketing decisions, that's for sure.

Put the "O" on a shield or something and I could be sold. Anything to mitigate the "WE'RE A BUNCH OF ZEROES" effect. The "O" by itself would invite the kind of negativity that the franchise has, rightfully or not, too often earned from the media and other fanbases.

Flo The Action wrote:

spader wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:yep the big zero in front of a jersey would make us the laughing stock of the league especially since we'll probably be bottom feeders.
just a bad idea.

I find it astonishing that I even have to argue this point anymore.

That's weird. I thought you liked the "O" jersey. You should get one custom-made. That way, when your super nintendo jersey is in the wash, you'll have one to wear.

I bet if you servayed the players in ottawa they'd tell you they're against it also. I hope when it does happen and the reaction is what it is someone in the marketing department finally gets fired.

the black sens jersey and the new one are great if you ask me. I'm not sure what's the fuss about. the funny thing is it seems(I may be wrong) that the people that like the old jersey also like the 0 idea. and the people that like the new one, like the black one. it's almost like there's to schools of thoughts on this one. maybe i'm wrong.

also the one we're using at the moment does not look like a picture IMO. does have a "art deco" kind of look to it from the 30's. works well for me.

The black jersey is awful. Anytime you have a wordmark like that, with a dumbass nickname on the front (we're the Senators, not the Sens), it's just an awful idea. It might be better with a logo in front instead of that stupid wordmark, but the jersey is quite bad.

The O is 100000x better, as it is classier and it actually has soul and history, and no it wouldn't be seen as a Zero...nobody cares enough about the Sens to make fun of them.

The "SENS" logo is awful, downright one of the worst in The NHL. The thing is, without that stupid "logo" the jersey and colour scheme is actually pretty nice. A better idea would have been putting "Senators" across the chest or "Ottawa" like The Rangers, Avs, and Pens have done. That would look good.

Anyone who likes the "SENS" is either a child or loves graffic design way too much.

As for the "O". If people think that will make The Sens a laughing stock, it won't. Playing like they did last year will make The Sens the laughing stock of The NHL. It's already on the shoulder yet no one has made that comment... if people are really that insecure about being made fun of then oh well. The nice thing is if it did happen, they are important enough to make fun of.

The "O" is better than anything The Sens have right now.

Captain Hindsight wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

spader wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:yep the big zero in front of a jersey would make us the laughing stock of the league especially since we'll probably be bottom feeders.
just a bad idea.

I find it astonishing that I even have to argue this point anymore.

That's weird. I thought you liked the "O" jersey. You should get one custom-made. That way, when your super nintendo jersey is in the wash, you'll have one to wear.

It would be the icing on the cake for this franchise in terms of marketing decisions, that's for sure.

Put the "O" on a shield or something and I could be sold. Anything to mitigate the "WE'RE A BUNCH OF ZEROES" effect. The "O" by itself would invite the kind of negativity that the franchise has, rightfully or not, too often earned from the media and other fanbases.

Yeah, in a thread discussing Sens jerseys, and in which I was twice invited to talk about this, I'm beating a dead horse. No offense, but on this one, go Diddle yourself.

Captain Hindsight wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

spader wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:yep the big zero in front of a jersey would make us the laughing stock of the league especially since we'll probably be bottom feeders.
just a bad idea.

I find it astonishing that I even have to argue this point anymore.

That's weird. I thought you liked the "O" jersey. You should get one custom-made. That way, when your super nintendo jersey is in the wash, you'll have one to wear.

I bet if you servayed the players in ottawa they'd tell you they're against it also. I hope when it does happen and the reaction is what it is someone in the marketing department finally gets fired.

the black sens jersey and the new one are great if you ask me. I'm not sure what's the fuss about. the funny thing is it seems(I may be wrong) that the people that like the old jersey also like the 0 idea. and the people that like the new one, like the black one. it's almost like there's to schools of thoughts on this one. maybe i'm wrong.

also the one we're using at the moment does not look like a picture IMO. does have a "art deco" kind of look to it from the 30's. works well for me.

The black jersey is awful. Anytime you have a wordmark like that, with a dumbass nickname on the front (we're the Senators, not the Sens), it's just an awful idea. It might be better with a logo in front instead of that stupid wordmark, but the jersey is quite bad.

The O is 100000x better, as it is classier and it actually has soul and history, and no it wouldn't be seen as a Zero...nobody cares enough about the Sens to make fun of them.

I keep forgetting that Os don't look at all like 0s. Thanks for the clarification!

Does anyone else think it a bit odd hearing RP denigrate the SNES jersey when his avatar is wearing something even worse? The "Ducks" part is bad enough but adding a webbed foot on a hockey jersey is sacrilege.

That mustache makes up for some of that, though.

NEELY wrote:The "SENS" logo is awful, downright one of the worst in The NHL. The thing is, without that stupid "logo" the jersey and colour scheme is actually pretty nice. A better idea would have been putting "Senators" across the chest or "Ottawa" like The Rangers, Avs, and Pens have done. That would look good.

Anyone who likes the "SENS" is either a child or loves graffic design way too much.

As for the "O". If people think that will make The Sens a laughing stock, it won't. Playing like they did last year will make The Sens the laughing stock of The NHL. It's already on the shoulder yet no one has made that comment... if people are really that insecure about being made fun of then oh well. The nice thing is if it did happen, they are important enough to make fun of.

The "O" is better than anything The Sens have right now.

I actually agree that the "O" would be better than anything we have now. What the O has going for it is that it's simple, like the Canadiens' or Flames' "C" or the TML's Maple Leaf, and that's what we've always been missing from ours. The current face is certainly not effective, and I despise the SNES one.

What the O has against it, however, is also significant. It unfortunately comes inherent with the sign itself -- a team full of zeroes, zero cups, zero shot at winning, etc., etc., etc. The possibilities for ridicule come with the letter itself. If it were any other letter in the alphabet, I wouldn't be concerned. To say that no one is going to equate Os with 0s is just Cussing stupid and burying your head in the sand. To claim that we ought to ignore the obvious correlation in some sort of grandiose gesture of "we're too confident to care about what others think" would be in step with having a big happy Spartan as our mascot or electing for another SNES jersey. We might as well put "kick me" flaps on the back of our jerseys if we put the O on the front; I bet we could even come up with a convincing rationale why that particular "kick me" sign has nothing to do with the ones put on the backs of high school geeks in the 70s and has everything to do with history, tradition, etc., etc.-- but god knows why you would elect to provide more ammunition for your opponents.

Use the city name, or the team's full name, or just the "S" -- anything other than a big fat zero sitting out there on its own, inviting trouble for the organization.

wprager wrote:Does anyone else think it a bit odd hearing RP denigrate the SNES jersey when his avatar is wearing something even worse? The "Ducks" part is bad enough but adding a webbed foot on a hockey jersey is sacrilege.

That mustache makes up for some of that, though.

That Ducks jersey is sharper than anything we've ever had in our history, period. Parros is all class.

Why do ducks have webbed feet?
- To put out forest fires, not to skate on ice!

You could always enlarge and crop.

wprager wrote:Why do ducks have webbed feet?
- To put out forest fires, not to skate on ice!

You could always enlarge and crop.

That sounds like work.

rooneypoo wrote:

Captain Hindsight wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

spader wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:yep the big zero in front of a jersey would make us the laughing stock of the league especially since we'll probably be bottom feeders.
just a bad idea.

I find it astonishing that I even have to argue this point anymore.

That's weird. I thought you liked the "O" jersey. You should get one custom-made. That way, when your super nintendo jersey is in the wash, you'll have one to wear.

It would be the icing on the cake for this franchise in terms of marketing decisions, that's for sure.

Put the "O" on a shield or something and I could be sold. Anything to mitigate the "WE'RE A BUNCH OF ZEROES" effect. The "O" by itself would invite the kind of negativity that the franchise has, rightfully or not, too often earned from the media and other fanbases.

Yeah, in a thread discussing Sens jerseys, and in which I was twice invited to talk about this, I'm beating a dead horse. No offense, but on this one, go Diddle yourself.

You're beating AND on a dead horse.

rooneypoo wrote:

NEELY wrote:The "SENS" logo is awful, downright one of the worst in The NHL. The thing is, without that stupid "logo" the jersey and colour scheme is actually pretty nice. A better idea would have been putting "Senators" across the chest or "Ottawa" like The Rangers, Avs, and Pens have done. That would look good.

Anyone who likes the "SENS" is either a child or loves graffic design way too much.

As for the "O". If people think that will make The Sens a laughing stock, it won't. Playing like they did last year will make The Sens the laughing stock of The NHL. It's already on the shoulder yet no one has made that comment... if people are really that insecure about being made fun of then oh well. The nice thing is if it did happen, they are important enough to make fun of.

The "O" is better than anything The Sens have right now.

I actually agree that the "O" would be better than anything we have now. What the O has going for it is that it's simple, like the Canadiens' or Flames' "C" or the TML's Maple Leaf, and that's what we've always been missing from ours. The current face is certainly not effective, and I despise the SNES one.

What the O has against it, however, is also significant. It unfortunately comes inherent with the sign itself -- a team full of zeroes, zero cups, zero shot at winning, etc., etc., etc. The possibilities for ridicule come with the letter itself. If it were any other letter in the alphabet, I wouldn't be concerned. To say that no one is going to equate Os with 0s is just Cussing stupid and burying your head in the sand. To claim that we ought to ignore the obvious correlation in some sort of grandiose gesture of "we're too confident to care about what others think" would be in step with having a big happy Spartan as our mascot or electing for another SNES jersey. We might as well put "kick me" flaps on the back of our jerseys if we put the O on the front; I bet we could even come up with a convincing rationale why that particular "kick me" sign has nothing to do with the ones put on the backs of high school geeks in the 70s and has everything to do with history, tradition, etc., etc.-- but god knows why you would elect to provide more ammunition for your opponents.

Use the city name, or the team's full name, or just the "S" -- anything other than a big fat zero sitting out there on its own, inviting trouble for the organization.

It's amazing what winning will do to make any worries about that particular logo go away. I'm not opposed to something like The Rangers have across the jersey, I thinkthat would look fantastic as well. Given the options though, I'll take the "O" over anything The Sens have right now. Their logo's are fugly.

Captain Hindsight wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Captain Hindsight wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

spader wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:yep the big zero in front of a jersey would make us the laughing stock of the league especially since we'll probably be bottom feeders.
just a bad idea.

I find it astonishing that I even have to argue this point anymore.

That's weird. I thought you liked the "O" jersey. You should get one custom-made. That way, when your super nintendo jersey is in the wash, you'll have one to wear.

It would be the icing on the cake for this franchise in terms of marketing decisions, that's for sure.

Put the "O" on a shield or something and I could be sold. Anything to mitigate the "WE'RE A BUNCH OF ZEROES" effect. The "O" by itself would invite the kind of negativity that the franchise has, rightfully or not, too often earned from the media and other fanbases.

Yeah, in a thread discussing Sens jerseys, and in which I was twice invited to talk about this, I'm beating a dead horse. No offense, but on this one, go Diddle yourself.

You're beating AND on a dead horse.

Seriously, what part of "go Diddle yourself" didn't you understand?

All I'm doing is talking about the main issue in this thread, after being invited on a few occasions to do so. Just because you don't like my opinion doesn't mean I'm going to change it or shut up, and it's supremely arrogant of you to think that your comments are going to bring about either end.

So again, respectfully, on this issue, go Diddle yourself.

NEELY wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

NEELY wrote:The "SENS" logo is awful, downright one of the worst in The NHL. The thing is, without that stupid "logo" the jersey and colour scheme is actually pretty nice. A better idea would have been putting "Senators" across the chest or "Ottawa" like The Rangers, Avs, and Pens have done. That would look good.

Anyone who likes the "SENS" is either a child or loves graffic design way too much.

As for the "O". If people think that will make The Sens a laughing stock, it won't. Playing like they did last year will make The Sens the laughing stock of The NHL. It's already on the shoulder yet no one has made that comment... if people are really that insecure about being made fun of then oh well. The nice thing is if it did happen, they are important enough to make fun of.

The "O" is better than anything The Sens have right now.

I actually agree that the "O" would be better than anything we have now. What the O has going for it is that it's simple, like the Canadiens' or Flames' "C" or the TML's Maple Leaf, and that's what we've always been missing from ours. The current face is certainly not effective, and I despise the SNES one.

What the O has against it, however, is also significant. It unfortunately comes inherent with the sign itself -- a team full of zeroes, zero cups, zero shot at winning, etc., etc., etc. The possibilities for ridicule come with the letter itself. If it were any other letter in the alphabet, I wouldn't be concerned. To say that no one is going to equate Os with 0s is just Cussing stupid and burying your head in the sand. To claim that we ought to ignore the obvious correlation in some sort of grandiose gesture of "we're too confident to care about what others think" would be in step with having a big happy Spartan as our mascot or electing for another SNES jersey. We might as well put "kick me" flaps on the back of our jerseys if we put the O on the front; I bet we could even come up with a convincing rationale why that particular "kick me" sign has nothing to do with the ones put on the backs of high school geeks in the 70s and has everything to do with history, tradition, etc., etc.-- but god knows why you would elect to provide more ammunition for your opponents.

Use the city name, or the team's full name, or just the "S" -- anything other than a big fat zero sitting out there on its own, inviting trouble for the organization.

It's amazing what winning will do to make any worries about that particular logo go away. I'm not opposed to something like The Rangers have across the jersey, I thinkthat would look fantastic as well. Given the options though, I'll take the "O" over anything The Sens have right now. Their logo's are fugly.

I agree on pretty much all those points. Our current logos are ugly, and being a winning franchise would certainly make things easier for our PR people. Something along the lines of the Rangers jersey would be perfectly fine.

rooneypoo wrote:
Seriously, what part of "go Diddle yourself" didn't you understand?

All I'm doing is talking about the main issue in this thread, after being invited on a few occasions to do so. Just because you don't like my opinion doesn't mean I'm going to change it or shut up, and it's supremely arrogant of you to think that your comments are going to bring about either end.

So again, respectfully, on this issue, go Diddle yourself.

Maybe he did. Maybe that's why he is so upset.

NEELY wrote:Anyone who likes the "SENS" is either a child or loves graffic design way too much.

Why not just come out and say that if others' preferences conflict with your own, those others are incorrect. This is a little much. I have a SENS jersey. Am I a child, or is my problem my rampant, unrepentant love for graphic design?

You might as well say that anyone whose favourite colour is anything but blue is either drunk or stupid. It's basically the same argument. My aesthetic preference is correct and yours is not. Nothing but facts.