2011 NHL Draft Lottery - Tue. April 12th - 8:00pm EST

Big Ev wrote:They only got the Top 11 pick because St. Louis started winning some games.

I think you're really grasping at straws. Who would have expected the team to be over .500 with a top line of Colin Greening-Jason Spezza - Bobby Butler?!?!?!?!? Our D included Andre Benoit and Derek Smith at one point! Are team was Dung on paper, what are they supposed to do? Everyone else took the team lightly so we started winning. Anderson was bad on some nights too, he wasn't superhuman every night.

Oh god. Who expected it? How about anyone who followed the team after Anderson arrived. They went on an 11-5 tear or something so obviously this wasn't a surprise that we slipped. In fact, I called this (unfortunately) at the time. I remember suggesting that this very thing was possible and had to be talked off the ledge by cooler heads who explained (at the time), no no, there is NO WAY the Panthers and Isles are passing us. There was still time to keep our position by making moves like sending Greening and Condra down, or even rotating the Bingo guys back and forth, but no, they found a winning formula (relative to what we had) and stuck with it. The result, useless wins that potentially cost us a franchise guy.

Big Ev wrote:They only got the Top 11 pick because St. Louis started winning some games.

I think you're really grasping at straws. Who would have expected the team to be over .500 with a top line of Colin Greening-Jason Spezza - Bobby Butler?!?!?!?!? Our D included Andre Benoit and Derek Smith at one point! Are team was Dung on paper, what are they supposed to do? Everyone else took the team lightly so we started winning. Anderson was bad on some nights too, he wasn't superhuman every night.

A shutdown pairing with A-Train replaced by Lee
Erik Karlsson playing the full 2 minutes in PK situations; Spezza taking over from Alfie as the go-to guy in all situations; Ryan freakin' Shannon playing the point on the PP *and* doing his best Chris Kelly impersonation on the PK.

Big Ev wrote:

hemlock wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

hemlock wrote:

jawal wrote:Did anyone else comment on Craig Button's mock draft that went as follows:

Edm - RNH
Col - Huberdeau
FLA - Landeskog
NJ - Ryan Murphy
NYI - Strome
Sens - Larsson
Atl - Couturier

I don't expect this to happened but the unexpected does happen on draft day.

Larsson? Murray better go unlisted if that's the case, cause I'll go Jackie Moon on his Donkey.

You honestly don't have a clue if you think Larsson would be a bad pick at #6 No offense, but that would be the steal of the draft and I don't care what we "need". You draft BPA.

Stfu. Obviously I am being sarcastic. Larsson at 6 is a no brainer, but it won't happen. The point I was making (and the one that clearly sailed over your head) is that a defenseman is the wrong move. IF he's there at 6, I would bet that plenty of teams would be interested and Murray might be better off trading the pick (the rights to Larsson) for something else.

We have holes everywhere so I don't care if a D like Larsson fell to us. I'll take him over Cowen any day of the week. Cowen and Rundblad aren't guaranteed to become stars and Larsson is a safer bet to become one.

Like I said yesterday, it would be a crime to have so much skill on the back end and nothing to complement it up front. You have to have balance. I wouldn't turn down Larsson at 6 either, but I'd explore my options before strolling up to the podium. BPA or not, many holes or not, he'd be adding to our greatest strength, which isn't ideal.

Big Ev wrote:
We have holes everywhere so I don't care if a D like Larsson fell to us. I'll take him over Cowen any day of the week. Cowen and Rundblad aren't guaranteed to become stars and Larsson is a safer bet to become one.

D is about the only place where we *don't* have holes. They will take a few years to develop but we've got plenty to look forward to. And why on earth would you think Larsson is a safer bet? He hasn't taken a step on NA ice yet. He hasn't done anything that Rundblad has done, and I'm still skeptical -- no, not that, guarding my optimism -- on him.

Cowen brings what Larsson doesn't, and without A-Train and with Phillips gone in a few years I'd rather Cowen than Larsson (given that we already have Karlsson and Rundblad). I'm not talking about an even trade or anything.

hemlock wrote:

jawal wrote:Did anyone else comment on Craig Button's mock draft that went as follows:

Edm - RNH
Col - Huberdeau
FLA - Landeskog
NJ - Ryan Murphy
NYI - Strome
Sens - Larsson
Atl - Couturier

I don't expect this to happened but the unexpected does happen on draft day.

Larsson? Murray better go unlisted if that's the case, cause I'll go Jackie Moon on his Donkey.

I really can't see Larsson dropping that far.

Rumours on hockeybuzz by the Edmonton blogger said that 1st overall pick is up for grabs. Now this writer was thinking trades involving (as I read it) Parise, Shea Weber, Braydon Schenn or trade down to get more picks.

Now I know the 1st overall pick is very valuable.. but there is no superstar in this draft.. so why would Parise & Weber be involved in any trade?

Let's hope the Sens can move up 3 spots.

You know blow-hard Burke will try to move up into top 5.. But what has he got to trade? He does have 12 picks as well.. but his 1st rounders are probably 25 - 30.. where Ottawa's are 6th & right now around 21st..

sandysensfan wrote:
I really can't see Larsson dropping that far.

Rumours on hockeybuzz by the Edmonton blogger said that 1st overall pick is up for grabs. Now this writer was thinking trades involving (as I read it) Parise, Shea Weber, Braydon Schenn or trade down to get more picks.

Now I know the 1st overall pick is very valuable.. but there is no superstar in this draft.. so why would Parise & Weber be involved in any trade?

Let's hope the Sens can move up 3 spots.

You know blow-hard Burke will try to move up into top 5.. But what has he got to trade? He does have 12 picks as well.. but his 1st rounders are probably 25 - 30.. where Ottawa's are 6th & right now around 21st..

Meh, they'll never get a player like Parise for the 1st overall, definitely not Weber.

wprager wrote:

Big Ev wrote:
We have holes everywhere so I don't care if a D like Larsson fell to us. I'll take him over Cowen any day of the week. Cowen and Rundblad aren't guaranteed to become stars and Larsson is a safer bet to become one.

D is about the only place where we *don't* have holes. They will take a few years to develop but we've got plenty to look forward to. And why on earth would you think Larsson is a safer bet? He hasn't taken a step on NA ice yet. He hasn't done anything that Rundblad has done, and I'm still skeptical -- no, not that, guarding my optimism -- on him.

Cowen brings what Larsson doesn't, and without A-Train and with Phillips gone in a few years I'd rather Cowen than Larsson (given that we already have Karlsson and Rundblad). I'm not talking about an even trade or anything.

Cowen is taller and bigger than Larsson (but not by much in weight considering their age). He brings everything he brings and can actually handle the puck. He logs the most minutes on the Top team in the SEL, as an 18-year old. I have no doubt he would be drafted before Cowen if they were both in the same draft year.

Anywho, you didn't say anything to defend that are D doesn't have holes, you're just relying on prospects. Our D right now is Dung and mediocre at best. We're relying on Cowen and Rundblad to help but fact is they are not in the NHL yet. Until they come in and prove themselves, we still have holes at D. If Larsson is there, he would help to ensure that we do not have holes on D in the future. He would be a prospect too, yes, but he is about as safe as they come. Still some question marks on Cowen and whether or not Rundblad's game will translate to the NHL (I think it will, though).

sandysensfan wrote:

hemlock wrote:

jawal wrote:Did anyone else comment on Craig Button's mock draft that went as follows:

Edm - RNH
Col - Huberdeau
FLA - Landeskog
NJ - Ryan Murphy
NYI - Strome
Sens - Larsson
Atl - Couturier

I don't expect this to happened but the unexpected does happen on draft day.

Larsson? Murray better go unlisted if that's the case, cause I'll go Jackie Moon on his Donkey.

I really can't see Larsson dropping that far.

Rumours on hockeybuzz by the Edmonton blogger said that 1st overall pick is up for grabs. Now this writer was thinking trades involving (as I read it) Parise, Shea Weber, Braydon Schenn or trade down to get more picks.

Now I know the 1st overall pick is very valuable.. but there is no superstar in this draft.. so why would Parise & Weber be involved in any trade?

Let's hope the Sens can move up 3 spots.

You know blow-hard Burke will try to move up into top 5.. But what has he got to trade? He does have 12 picks as well.. but his 1st rounders are probably 25 - 30.. where Ottawa's are 6th & right now around 21st..

Here's a tip: stay away from hockeybuzz.

Strome with a goal and 3 points with Murray in attendance.

Marakh isn't gonna be happy, Couturier was -4 in a 6-1 loss to Gatineau. I'm assuming that's because he's always playing though...

Huberdeau with a goal.

Dougie Hamilton with 2 goals. Murray must be loving that...woo defence.

Big Ev wrote:

wprager wrote:

Big Ev wrote:
We have holes everywhere so I don't care if a D like Larsson fell to us. I'll take him over Cowen any day of the week. Cowen and Rundblad aren't guaranteed to become stars and Larsson is a safer bet to become one.

D is about the only place where we *don't* have holes. They will take a few years to develop but we've got plenty to look forward to. And why on earth would you think Larsson is a safer bet? He hasn't taken a step on NA ice yet. He hasn't done anything that Rundblad has done, and I'm still skeptical -- no, not that, guarding my optimism -- on him.

Cowen brings what Larsson doesn't, and without A-Train and with Phillips gone in a few years I'd rather Cowen than Larsson (given that we already have Karlsson and Rundblad). I'm not talking about an even trade or anything.

Cowen is taller and bigger than Larsson (but not by much in weight considering their age). He brings everything he brings and can actually handle the puck. He logs the most minutes on the Top team in the SEL, as an 18-year old. I have no doubt he would be drafted before Cowen if they were both in the same draft year.

Anywho, you didn't say anything to defend that are D doesn't have holes, you're just relying on prospects. Our D right now is Dung and mediocre at best. We're relying on Cowen and Rundblad to help but fact is they are not in the NHL yet. Until they come in and prove themselves, we still have holes at D. If Larsson is there, he would help to ensure that we do not have holes on D in the future. He would be a prospect too, yes, but he is about as safe as they come. Still some question marks on Cowen and whether or not Rundblad's game will translate to the NHL (I think it will, though).

Larsson is a prospect just like any other one. We're not talking about Cowen or Rundblad over Shea Weber, or a 28-year-old Lidstrom. Our D, while they are (mostly) prospects, are a high-end group. We're fine on D so long as you're not expecting them to instantly be at the top of their game. And if you expect Larsson to come in and be all that in this league, just recall all the hype about Hedman a couple years ago.

If Larsson comes in and is Hedman then he is doing alright. People shouldn't expect high offensive numbers from him anyway. Hedman's been pretty solid I'd say. Progressing nicely.

Big Ev wrote:Strome with a goal and 3 points with Murray in attendance.

Marakh isn't gonna be happy, Couturier was -4 in a 6-1 loss to Gatineau. I'm assuming that's because he's always playing though...

Huberdeau with a goal.

Dougie Hamilton with 2 goals. Murray must be loving that...woo defence.

Strome....doing it at the right time.

I'm ripping into this CPhoenixM guy on HF. Can't stand his bias for Strome. He has RNH being drafted outside of the Top 6

Big Ev wrote:I'm ripping into this CPhoenixM guy on HF. Can't stand his bias for Strome. He has RNH being drafted outside of the Top 6

Again, very seldom these days I go there anymore. I will say that Strome is becoming more and more enticing. We have time to let him develop properly and what he's done offensively this year is amazing.

RNH out of the top 6. That's as bad as Larsson being available when we pick.

ddt wrote:

marakh wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Steve_Lloyd Steve Lloyd
Murray thinks moving up to #3 might be possible. Panthers are #3

We could have had RNH, Prince AND Zibanejad. Now we're gonna end up, if that happens, with probably Landeskog only.
Diddle this Dung. I am Cussing frustrated. Sign me up for Yakupov/Galchenyuk. WIth our luck we probably will lose the one we pick to the KHL.

Yeah, and I could have been the pope.

I don't even get the point of this post. At one point with 10 games left approximatively we were 2nd last, Nashville was 12th last and then we had the 32nd pick too.
Maybe you were too busy reading the Bible ?

SpezDispenser wrote:

Big Ev wrote:I'm ripping into this CPhoenixM guy on HF. Can't stand his bias for Strome. He has RNH being drafted outside of the Top 6

Again, very seldom these days I go there anymore. I will say that Strome is becoming more and more enticing. We have time to let him develop properly and what he's done offensively this year is amazing.

RNH out of the top 6. That's as bad as Larsson being available when we pick.

Ok, he "forgot" to put him in. I'm still ripping him because I don't like him.

Couturier was bad tonight. He looks completely drained, lost basically every battle around the boards, wasn't quick enough to retrieve the puck, lost his guy 3 times that ended up on the back of the net... you name it.
The guy is getting on the ice every 2 shifts. I'm not even kidding. He's also basically always there on the PP and on the PK.
I think the guy is exhausted and may be it's because Drummondville don't have anybody else.
He looks pretty big though, fairly physical, great hockey sense ie knows where to be at the right time. Problem is, when he gets there, they lose the puck because they were completely shutdown by Gatineau. I don't think the VOltigeurs had the puck more than 30% of the game.

Big Ev wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Big Ev wrote:I'm ripping into this CPhoenixM guy on HF. Can't stand his bias for Strome. He has RNH being drafted outside of the Top 6

Again, very seldom these days I go there anymore. I will say that Strome is becoming more and more enticing. We have time to let him develop properly and what he's done offensively this year is amazing.

RNH out of the top 6. That's as bad as Larsson being available when we pick.

Ok, he "forgot" to put him in. I'm still ripping him because I don't like him.

He is a joke, plain and simple.