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I can't imagine he'd be waived. If nothing else, he'd be traded for a prospect that represents a similar project. There's no reason to waive him at all, unless they're sending him to B-town (as he's no longer waiver exempt.)

spader wrote:I can't imagine he'd be waived. If nothing else, he'd be traded for a prospect that represents a similar project. There's no reason to waive him at all, unless they're sending him to B-town (as he's no longer waiver exempt.)

You think a player who couldn't be out 4 rookies will be traded to another team for a prospect...? That's exactly what the situation would be.

Regin is way more than likely to come out flying next year and get a legit shot as the 2nd line center, but if he does what he did this year, no team would ever trade anything of any value for any reason for a player on a one way deal who has proved nothing in The NHL and couldnt crack the last place teams lineup?

Regin is on a one-way next year. I don't think they'll want to bury his $1M+ in Bingo when he can be bought out, and since he's young the buyout is less. According to capgeek.com it would cost $125K next season and $175K in 2012-13. I have no idea how those numbers are crunched but that's what the buyout calculator tells me.

http://www.capgeek.com/buyout_calculator.php?player_id=428&buyout_y=2011&buyout_m=06&buyout_d=15

wprager wrote:Regin is on a one-way next year. I don't think they'll want to bury his $1M+ in Bingo when he can be bought out, and since he's young the buyout is less. According to capgeek.com it would cost $125K next season and $175K in 2012-13. I have no idea how those numbers are crunched but that's what the buyout calculator tells me.

http://www.capgeek.com/buyout_calculator.php?player_id=428&buyout_y=2011&buyout_m=06&buyout_d=15

I never said he would go down to Bingo or he should/will.

NEELY wrote:

wprager wrote:Regin is on a one-way next year. I don't think they'll want to bury his $1M+ in Bingo when he can be bought out, and since he's young the buyout is less. According to capgeek.com it would cost $125K next season and $175K in 2012-13. I have no idea how those numbers are crunched but that's what the buyout calculator tells me.

http://www.capgeek.com/buyout_calculator.php?player_id=428&buyout_y=2011&buyout_m=06&buyout_d=15

I never said he would go down to Bingo or he should/will.

You did say that if he performs poorly he would be waived though and I think prager is trying to say that if he plays poorly they would buy him out instead.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

NEELY wrote:

wprager wrote:Regin is on a one-way next year. I don't think they'll want to bury his $1M+ in Bingo when he can be bought out, and since he's young the buyout is less. According to capgeek.com it would cost $125K next season and $175K in 2012-13. I have no idea how those numbers are crunched but that's what the buyout calculator tells me.

http://www.capgeek.com/buyout_calculator.php?player_id=428&buyout_y=2011&buyout_m=06&buyout_d=15

I never said he would go down to Bingo or he should/will.

You did say that if he performs poorly he would be waived though and I think prager is trying to say that if he plays poorly they would buy him out instead.

I don't think they would do either. They would put him on waivers and if someone picks him up, great, if not they will role with him during the year and hope for the best. Something similar to what happened to Lee.

NEELY wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

NEELY wrote:

wprager wrote:Regin is on a one-way next year. I don't think they'll want to bury his $1M+ in Bingo when he can be bought out, and since he's young the buyout is less. According to capgeek.com it would cost $125K next season and $175K in 2012-13. I have no idea how those numbers are crunched but that's what the buyout calculator tells me.

http://www.capgeek.com/buyout_calculator.php?player_id=428&buyout_y=2011&buyout_m=06&buyout_d=15

I never said he would go down to Bingo or he should/will.

You did say that if he performs poorly he would be waived though and I think prager is trying to say that if he plays poorly they would buy him out instead.

I don't think they would do either. They would put him on waivers and if someone picks him up, great, if not they will role with him during the year and hope for the best. Something similar to what happened to Lee.

That does clear it up for me. Forgot about the Lee angle. I sure hope it doesn't come to that with the promise he showed at the end of last season, the playoffs and the world championships.

Sophomore's have trouble in The NHL, guys forget how hard they worked to get there and tend to be a little too comfortable in their role. Regin came into camp with that exact attitude, the feeling of he made it. He got his contract, he was a lock, and he stopped working. Next year I believe as well people will see a more productive and more mature Regin going into the year, with some luck he might be able to fill the void at the 2nd line center position.

Like I said, no one can blame anyone for Regin's awful year except Regin. People saying Clouston didn't put him with the right linemates, or he isn't getting the breaks, so on, are wrong. He was a step behind all year until just after the all-star break where he had finally caught up. That's what a crappy camp does to a player, especially a sophomore.

I don't think it will come down to him being waived or even the option being brought.

NEELY wrote:Sophomore's have trouble in The NHL, guys forget how hard they worked to get there and tend to be a little too comfortable in their role. Regin came into camp with that exact attitude, the feeling of he made it. He got his contract, he was a lock, and he stopped working. Next year I believe as well people will see a more productive and more mature Regin going into the year, with some luck he might be able to fill the void at the 2nd line center position.

Like I said, no one can blame anyone for Regin's awful year except Regin. People saying Clouston didn't put him with the right linemates, or he isn't getting the breaks, so on, are wrong. He was a step behind all year until just after the all-star break where he had finally caught up. That's what a crappy camp does to a player, especially a sophomore.

I don't think it will come down to him being waived or even the option being brought.

I disagree. There were many examples where Regin was the best player on the ice for long stretches. He was snakebitten and that crept into his confidence levels. I can remember many times when he got chance after chance but got robbed/missed the net/etc. It wasn't that he wasn't trying, he was extremely unlucky at first and lost confidence as a result, IMO.

spader wrote:

NEELY wrote:Sophomore's have trouble in The NHL, guys forget how hard they worked to get there and tend to be a little too comfortable in their role. Regin came into camp with that exact attitude, the feeling of he made it. He got his contract, he was a lock, and he stopped working. Next year I believe as well people will see a more productive and more mature Regin going into the year, with some luck he might be able to fill the void at the 2nd line center position.

Like I said, no one can blame anyone for Regin's awful year except Regin. People saying Clouston didn't put him with the right linemates, or he isn't getting the breaks, so on, are wrong. He was a step behind all year until just after the all-star break where he had finally caught up. That's what a crappy camp does to a player, especially a sophomore.

I don't think it will come down to him being waived or even the option being brought.

I disagree. There were many examples where Regin was the best player on the ice for long stretches. He was snakebitten and that crept into his confidence levels. I can remember many times when he got chance after chance but got robbed/missed the net/etc. It wasn't that he wasn't trying, he was extremely unlucky at first and lost confidence as a result, IMO.

I must have missed those games. He had some flashes of "oh, that's the Regin The Sens want" but nothing in terms of "long stretches". He has played to the perimeter for most of the year, refuses to drive the net for the most part, and has been a step behind everyone on the ice most of the year. If you want to say it was a lack of confidence that's fine, I agree to a point but everything comes back to coming into camp not prepared and it cost him basically an entire season.

There is a reason why Foligno turned it around and Regin didn't. Players who are unlucky do things to change their luck, Regin didn't. Foligno's first goal was ugly as can be, but he drove the net hard and got lucky. Hell, even Regin's first goal was a hard working goal against Vancouver but that kind of effort and drive was few and far between for Regin this year.

Point being is he wasn't prepared to work this year and it was very clear by the camp he had. It carries over. He isn't the first sophomore that this has happened too, won't be the last. How he bounces back will tell the story of Peter Regin next season.

NEELY wrote:

spader wrote:

NEELY wrote:Sophomore's have trouble in The NHL, guys forget how hard they worked to get there and tend to be a little too comfortable in their role. Regin came into camp with that exact attitude, the feeling of he made it. He got his contract, he was a lock, and he stopped working. Next year I believe as well people will see a more productive and more mature Regin going into the year, with some luck he might be able to fill the void at the 2nd line center position.

Like I said, no one can blame anyone for Regin's awful year except Regin. People saying Clouston didn't put him with the right linemates, or he isn't getting the breaks, so on, are wrong. He was a step behind all year until just after the all-star break where he had finally caught up. That's what a crappy camp does to a player, especially a sophomore.

I don't think it will come down to him being waived or even the option being brought.

I disagree. There were many examples where Regin was the best player on the ice for long stretches. He was snakebitten and that crept into his confidence levels. I can remember many times when he got chance after chance but got robbed/missed the net/etc. It wasn't that he wasn't trying, he was extremely unlucky at first and lost confidence as a result, IMO.

I must have missed those games. He had some flashes of "oh, that's the Regin The Sens want" but nothing in terms of "long stretches". He has played to the perimeter for most of the year, refuses to drive the net for the most part, and has been a step behind everyone on the ice most of the year. If you want to say it was a lack of confidence that's fine, I agree to a point but everything comes back to coming into camp not prepared and it cost him basically an entire season.

There is a reason why Foligno turned it around and Regin didn't. Players who are unlucky do things to change their luck, Regin didn't. Foligno's first goal was ugly as can be, but he drove the net hard and got lucky. Hell, even Regin's first goal was a hard working goal against Vancouver but that kind of effort and drive was few and far between for Regin this year.

Point being is he wasn't prepared to work this year and it was very clear by the camp he had. It carries over. He isn't the first sophomore that this has happened too, won't be the last. How he bounces back will tell the story of Peter Regin next season.

I absolutely agree with your last statement. I think we'll have to agree to disagree regarding the reason behind Regin's disappointing season. I imagine the truth lies somewhere between both of our positions.

Fair enough, but if you look at Sophomore's who have really bad slumps and it happens a lot, it always stems back from bad camps. It's been a trend in The NHL since before I was born.

Next year is Regin's year though, absolutely. Not only does he have to prove himself he has the best opportunity he has ever had now that the 2nd line center positon is open.

NEELY wrote:Fair enough, but if you look at Sophomore's who have really bad slumps and it happens a lot, it always stems back from bad camps. It's been a trend in The NHL since before I was born.

Next year is Regin's year though, absolutely. Not only does he have to prove himself he has the best opportunity he has ever had now that the 2nd line center positon is open.

I couldn't agree more.

Pretty good conversation regarding Regin in here.

I agree with both angles:

1.He wasn't prepared to overcome his bad luck by driving the net and scoring those ugly goals that Foligno was finally able to do. His confidence got thrashed and he didn't have it in him to get over it.

2.He was playing real good hockey early in the year, responsible, 2-way play with some hard forechecking and showing some nice skill, but it just wouldn't happen for him. I remember watching for long periods early in the season and hoping that he'd score so his confidence levels would improve - because I found his overall game excellent.

NEELY wrote:

wprager wrote:Regin is on a one-way next year. I don't think they'll want to bury his $1M+ in Bingo when he can be bought out, and since he's young the buyout is less. According to capgeek.com it would cost $125K next season and $175K in 2012-13. I have no idea how those numbers are crunched but that's what the buyout calculator tells me.

http://www.capgeek.com/buyout_calculator.php?player_id=428&buyout_y=2011&buyout_m=06&buyout_d=15

I never said he would go down to Bingo or he should/will.

And I wasn't implying that you did. Wasn't even replying to anyone's post, in fact.

I think you had pretty much thrown the "trade" idea out the window, and I tried to discount the idea of sending him down. The buyout is the cheapest alternative, by far. How the heck is it $300K for a $1.05M contract?

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

NEELY wrote:

wprager wrote:Regin is on a one-way next year. I don't think they'll want to bury his $1M+ in Bingo when he can be bought out, and since he's young the buyout is less. According to capgeek.com it would cost $125K next season and $175K in 2012-13. I have no idea how those numbers are crunched but that's what the buyout calculator tells me.

http://www.capgeek.com/buyout_calculator.php?player_id=428&buyout_y=2011&buyout_m=06&buyout_d=15

I never said he would go down to Bingo or he should/will.

You did say that if he performs poorly he would be waived though and I think prager is trying to say that if he plays poorly they would buy him out instead.

You always waive before a buy out. I'm pretty sure it's required, and there's always the chance someone might grab him. I'm pretty sure that's what NEELY meant.

NEELY wrote:Fair enough, but if you look at Sophomore's who have really bad slumps and it happens a lot, it always stems back from bad camps. It's been a trend in The NHL since before I was born.

Next year is Regin's year though, absolutely. Not only does he have to prove himself he has the best opportunity he has ever had now that the 2nd line center positon is open.

If he needs surgery, though, how long will it be before he can start working out? This could end up really badly for him.

Regin isn't a sophomore.