The Official 2011 Tank Nation thread

NEELY wrote:Ottawa drafts Landeskog, I don't think there is a whole lot of doubt about it to be honest.

Im pretty sure that's debatalble. We have 0 center prospects, Pierre DOrion and Tim Murray will take SKills and vision over everything (Karlsson over COlborne ,Rundblad over the average big forwards last year and they had Jaden Shwartz high ont heir lit), an Zibanejad from what I've heard is a poor man's Landeskog that can bring some of hte things we need.
TO be honest, I don't see where we're gonna get a 1st line center in the next 5 years. whereas Landeskog you can find one in the middle of the rounds (RIchards/Giroux/Perry...). I mean seriously:

- Crosby
- Malkin
- Stamkos
- Tavares
- H Sedin
- Spezza
- Thornton
- Toews

The most skilled centers and usually the leading scorers, and most of them are MVPs on their team. Not saying all, but most are drafted top 5.
I love Landeskog as anyone else here, but I wouldn't build my offense around him in arguably the only opportunity we'll have in the next 5 years to draft a 1st line center. I think this Landeskog thing just magnified by him being Swedish, the media, the team he plays in and all the intangibles.

marakh wrote:

NEELY wrote:Ottawa drafts Landeskog, I don't think there is a whole lot of doubt about it to be honest.

Im pretty sure that's debatalble. We have 0 center prospects, Pierre DOrion and Tim Murray will take SKills and vision over everything (Karlsson over COlborne ,Rundblad over the average big forwards last year and they had Jaden Shwartz high ont heir lit), an Zibanejad from what I've heard is a poor man's Landeskog that can bring some of hte things we need.
TO be honest, I don't see where we're gonna get a 1st line center in the next 5 years. whereas Landeskog you can find one in the middle of the rounds (RIchards/Giroux/Perry...). I mean seriously:

- Crosby
- Malkin
- Stamkos
- Tavares
- H Sedin
- Spezza
- Thornton
- Toews

The most skilled centers and usually the leading scorers, and most of them are MVPs on their team. Not saying all, but most are drafted top 5.
I love Landeskog as anyone else here, but I wouldn't build my offense around him in arguably the only opportunity we'll have in the next 5 years to draft a 1st line center. I think this Landeskog thing just magnified by him being Swedish, the media, the team he plays in and all the intangibles.

Or perhaps it's because the Sens and Dorion want someone who will play on the team next season. It's highly debatable whether RNH can make the jump as early as next season. I also wouldn't put RNH in such lofty company personally.

marakh wrote:

NEELY wrote:Ottawa drafts Landeskog, I don't think there is a whole lot of doubt about it to be honest.

Im pretty sure that's debatalble. We have 0 center prospects, Pierre DOrion and Tim Murray will take SKills and vision over everything (Karlsson over COlborne ,Rundblad over the average big forwards last year and they had Jaden Shwartz high ont heir lit), an Zibanejad from what I've heard is a poor man's Landeskog that can bring some of hte things we need.
TO be honest, I don't see where we're gonna get a 1st line center in the next 5 years. whereas Landeskog you can find one in the middle of the rounds (RIchards/Giroux/Perry...). I mean seriously:

- Crosby
- Malkin
- Stamkos
- Tavares
- H Sedin
- Spezza
- Thornton
- Toews

The most skilled centers and usually the leading scorers, and most of them are MVPs on their team. Not saying all, but most are drafted top 5.
I love Landeskog as anyone else here, but I wouldn't build my offense around him in arguably the only opportunity we'll have in the next 5 years to draft a 1st line center. I think this Landeskog thing just magnified by him being Swedish, the media, the team he plays in and all the intangibles.

That's a fair point but perhaps they want to turn Landeskog into that 2nd line center? Perhaps they see more in him in terms of the position he WILL play and opposed to the postion he is playing. Just like it's tough to find Toews or a Tavares, it's just as tough to find a Richards.

marakh wrote:
Im pretty sure that's debatalble. We have 0 center prospects, Pierre DOrion and Tim Murray will take SKills and vision over everything (Karlsson over COlborne ,Rundblad over the average big forwards last year and they had Jaden Shwartz high ont heir lit), an Zibanejad from what I've heard is a poor man's Landeskog that can bring some of hte things we need.
TO be honest, I don't see where we're gonna get a 1st line center in the next 5 years. whereas Landeskog you can find one in the middle of the rounds (RIchards/Giroux/Perry...). I mean seriously:

- Crosby
- Malkin
- Stamkos
- Tavares
- H Sedin
- Spezza
- Thornton
- Toews

The most skilled centers and usually the leading scorers, and most of them are MVPs on their team. Not saying all, but most are drafted top 5.
I love Landeskog as anyone else here, but I wouldn't build my offense around him in arguably the only opportunity we'll have in the next 5 years to draft a 1st line center. I think this Landeskog thing just magnified by him being Swedish, the media, the team he plays in and all the intangibles.

I agree - but Landeskog has played C before and he'll gladly move to C if we ask. That's not the question, the question would be: would he lose any of his effectiveness if moved to C.

I don't think Landeskog would lose any of his effectivness if moved to center in fact, his game might be more suited to play center from a defensive and positional stand point. Obviously not the play maker RNH or Strome is but his game will still be effective playing up the middle.

I don't think he will get put there right away but he may find himself there if a guy like Regin struggles who I think will get the first shot.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

marakh wrote:

NEELY wrote:Ottawa drafts Landeskog, I don't think there is a whole lot of doubt about it to be honest.

Im pretty sure that's debatalble. We have 0 center prospects, Pierre DOrion and Tim Murray will take SKills and vision over everything (Karlsson over COlborne ,Rundblad over the average big forwards last year and they had Jaden Shwartz high ont heir lit), an Zibanejad from what I've heard is a poor man's Landeskog that can bring some of hte things we need.
TO be honest, I don't see where we're gonna get a 1st line center in the next 5 years. whereas Landeskog you can find one in the middle of the rounds (RIchards/Giroux/Perry...). I mean seriously:

- Crosby
- Malkin
- Stamkos
- Tavares
- H Sedin
- Spezza
- Thornton
- Toews

The most skilled centers and usually the leading scorers, and most of them are MVPs on their team. Not saying all, but most are drafted top 5.
I love Landeskog as anyone else here, but I wouldn't build my offense around him in arguably the only opportunity we'll have in the next 5 years to draft a 1st line center. I think this Landeskog thing just magnified by him being Swedish, the media, the team he plays in and all the intangibles.

Or perhaps it's because the Sens and Dorion want someone who will play on the team next season. It's highly debatable whether RNH can make the jump as early as next season. I also wouldn't put RNH in such lofty company personally.

If we're talking potential, as a center, he could be better than Spezza, as good as Toews, can be like thornton and better than Tavares overall (minus the goal scoaring)
Some scounts in the WHL have said he's the best prospect to come out of the WHL in 10 years...
Don't forget, this guy is still 17 and has yet to grown into a man's body, but Richards and Giroux were way smaller when they were drafted, and Briere, the best playoff performer int he league since the lockout is 5"10 180... RNH plays as hard.

NEELY wrote:I don't think Landeskog would lose any of his effectivness if moved to center in fact, his game might be more suited to play center from a defensive and positional stand point. Obviously not the play maker RNH or Strome is but his game will still be effective playing up the middle.

I don't think he will get put there right away but he may find himself there if a guy like Regin struggles who I think will get the first shot.

Not opposed to it, but can he win big faceoffs? I find those pretty critically important in the post season.

No 18 year old can win faceoffs in The NHL. That's one of the hardest things to do as a young center... hell, it took Crosby 3 or 4 years before he became effective, it took Spezza closer to a decade.

NEELY wrote:I don't think Landeskog would lose any of his effectivness if moved to center in fact, his game might be more suited to play center from a defensive and positional stand point. Obviously not the play maker RNH or Strome is but his game will still be effective playing up the middle.

I don't think he will get put there right away but he may find himself there if a guy like Regin struggles who I think will get the first shot.

Maybe, is he as good a passer as he is a shooter? I can't recall seeing or reading a scouting report on his passing.

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:I don't think Landeskog would lose any of his effectivness if moved to center in fact, his game might be more suited to play center from a defensive and positional stand point. Obviously not the play maker RNH or Strome is but his game will still be effective playing up the middle.

I don't think he will get put there right away but he may find himself there if a guy like Regin struggles who I think will get the first shot.

Maybe, is he as good a passer as he is a shooter? I can't recall seeing or reading a scouting report on his passing.

You don't need to be Jason Spezza or Joe Thornton to play center. The setup man can come from the wing too. He can pass the puck but he's absolutely a goal scorer by nature.

NEELY wrote:No 18 year old can win faceoffs in The NHL. That's one of the hardest things to do as a young center... hell, it took Crosby 3 or 4 years before he became effective, it took Spezza closer to a decade.

But at least if you do take 60% of your team's faceoffs in Juniors it's an easier transition, right. Anyways, I have no idea how a winger going center would look like or the implications. Have never seen it before.

NEELY wrote:I don't think Landeskog would lose any of his effectivness if moved to center in fact, his game might be more suited to play center from a defensive and positional stand point. Obviously not the play maker RNH or Strome is but his game will still be effective playing up the middle.

I don't think he will get put there right away but he may find himself there if a guy like Regin struggles who I think will get the first shot.

Landeskog looks like more of a digger and has the net presence of a LW in the Ryan "Smytey" Smyth. The Center usually stays a little higher than the wingers who tend to do the digging. Right?

SeawaySensFan wrote:
Landeskog looks like more of a digger and has the net presence of a LW in the Ryan "Smytey" Smyth. The Center usually stays a little higher than the wingers who tend to do the digging. Right?

There's nothing that says he would have to stay at C, this could be temporary, but if it works, it works, if he doesn't feel quite right, you hopefully draft or sign a 2C and move him to LW.

One thing we have to remember, if your N1 center is injured and your 2nd line center is not a 60+ pts guy that can carry an offense a lil bit, you can pretty much forget about the season.
I'm starting to sound boring but I firmly believe we need one potential N1 center in the system and in this draft I don't see any except from RNH Strome, Couturier and Huberdeau, and it's safe to say we ain't getting more than one of them.

marakh wrote:One thing we have to remember, if your N1 center is injured and your 2nd line center is not a 60+ pts guy that can carry an offense a lil bit, you can pretty much forget about the season.
I'm starting to sound boring but I firmly believe we need one potential N1 center in the system and in this draft I don't see any except from RNH Strome, Couturier and Huberdeau, and it's safe to say we ain't getting more than one of them.

How come you don't acknowledge Landeskog as a center? He's played C in the past and apparently is quite adept.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:I don't think Landeskog would lose any of his effectivness if moved to center in fact, his game might be more suited to play center from a defensive and positional stand point. Obviously not the play maker RNH or Strome is but his game will still be effective playing up the middle.

I don't think he will get put there right away but he may find himself there if a guy like Regin struggles who I think will get the first shot.

Landeskog looks like more of a digger and has the net presence of a LW in the Ryan "Smytey" Smyth. The Center usually stays a little higher than the wingers who tend to do the digging. Right?

Depends where, defensively the center should be doing a lot of digging.

marakh wrote:

NEELY wrote:No 18 year old can win faceoffs in The NHL. That's one of the hardest things to do as a young center... hell, it took Crosby 3 or 4 years before he became effective, it took Spezza closer to a decade.

But at least if you do take 60% of your team's faceoffs in Juniors it's an easier transition, right. Anyways, I have no idea how a winger going center would look like or the implications. Have never seen it before.

Either way Landeskog still does play center here and there and if that's what The Sens see him as they will eventually try and mold him into one. I have no idea how things will play out from this point on but I do believe Landeskog would be their prize.

marakh wrote:One thing we have to remember, if your N1 center is injured and your 2nd line center is not a 60+ pts guy that can carry an offense a lil bit, you can pretty much forget about the season.
I'm starting to sound boring but I firmly believe we need one potential N1 center in the system and in this draft I don't see any except from RNH Strome, Couturier and Huberdeau, and it's safe to say we ain't getting more than one of them.

Are you maybe selling Landekog a little short here?