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Now, onto Sens rumors...

With Murray brilliantly signing Vermette to an amazing two year deal mere MINUTES before they were due to appear before the Arbitrators, the LONE unsigned Sen is Mezaros. This 22 yr D man, who has been described by some as a phenom in the works, has not received ANY offer sheets from the other NHL teams, at least to my knowledge. However, he was apparently offered a 3-4 yr deal to play in the KHL for approx. $3.5M. Now, this could be leverage for Mezie as he may hope Murray 'cracks' and offers him something in that range, while it's been suggested that Murray tabled his FINAL offer to Mezie last friday and he, like MANY sens fans, is waiting to hear back from Mezie's camp.

Murray has managed excellent, discounted signings this off-season, and I see no reason to believe that he cannot work his magic again and sign Mezie for something in the $2M range, as was suggested from a trusted source, and then theoretically, he could use upwards of $4.5M - $5M to entice another FA to come Ottawa's way... Murray has stated recently in an interview that he wants another forward, and should he have that kind of $$ to entice one *cough SUNDIN cough* then it would be interesting to see who comes our way.

Either way, the next few days could prove to be interesting as we await ANY news on the Mezaros front.

Also, Neil trade rumors have cooled considerably, whereas a few weeks ago he was as sure as gone and on his way to Chicago, while another rumor had him destined for Anaheim for a return of Schneider. As I hear them, I will post and update rumors as it relates to my beloved team, the Ottawa Senators. Let's get the discussions and rants going.

Yep, Neil for Schneider would be a no-go for a few reasons. They don't really need a Neil type player, they already have plenty of toughness. As well, they couldn't take on his salary if they hope to sign Selanne, which is what I would assume will happen. I think you'll see Schneider moved for a late pick and then Selanne will sign on for another season with the Ducks.

As for Mez, I have been told that Murray firmly believes that Mez' aagent has him way over priced. Mez will not see a pennymore than $3.1 million from Murray and that would have to be a long term deal. I think we can all agree, that Vermette was a much more effective player at his position and look what he signed for. If things don't get resolved, Mez will either sit out, go to Russia (which I really don't see as an option) or sign for the minimal raise (if Murray gets fed up). Mes really isn't playing from a bargaining position. If he were to leave to Russia, that could turn out to be a career ending move (unless he's all about the $$).

As for Sundin, I don't put anythign past Bryan Murray and he has always described himself as a guy who at least inquires into moves that would make his team better. I wholeheartedly have to believe, that Murray has held some sort of talk with JP Barry about Mats, afterall, he's had enough talks with him on other players. Interesting to see what heppens, cause I also believe if he was destined to Montreal or Vancouver, it would have already been done.

jamvan wrote:Yep, Neil for Schneider would be a no-go for a few reasons. They don't really need a Neil type player, they already have plenty of toughness. As well, they couldn't take on his salary if they hope to sign Selanne, which is what I would assume will happen. I think you'll see Schneider moved for a late pick and then Selanne will sign on for another season with the Ducks.

As for Mez, I have been told that Murray firmly believes that Mez' aagent has him way over priced. Mez will not see a pennymore than $3.1 million from Murray and that would have to be a long term deal. I think we can all agree, that Vermette was a much more effective player at his position and look what he signed for. If things don't get resolved, Mez will either sit out, go to Russia (which I really don't see as an option) or sign for the minimal raise (if Murray gets fed up). Mes really isn't playing from a bargaining position. If he were to leave to Russia, that could turn out to be a career ending move (unless he's all about the $$).

As for Sundin, I don't put anythign past Bryan Murray and he has always described himself as a guy who at least inquires into moves that would make his team better. I wholeheartedly have to believe, that Murray has held some sort of talk with JP Barry about Mats, afterall, he's had enough talks with him on other players. Interesting to see what heppens, cause I also believe if he was destined to Montreal or Vancouver, it would have already been done.

I agree on Mesz. He's signing for way less than people expect and likely isn't part of Murray's longterm plans unless he signs a cheap deal.

As for Sundin, I agree Murray has likely inquired but I just get the feeling Sundin is either a Leaf or Retired by training camp.

Spoiler:

UPDATE!!!!

I have 'heard' what the details MAY be on Murray's final offer to Mez...
I'm attempting to confirm or verify it before posting the actual term/$$.

Stay tuned... (I've ALWAYS wanted to say that :lol!: )

EDIT: Alright, from what I have heard, the deal is 1 yr, $2.45M.
Mezaros' camp is mulling this over, and I do think they may try to counter with something for a longer term, I am not sure Murray will be willing to budge.

I have not been able to verify this so take it with a grain of salt; however if it true, Senschirp should be contacted for predicting this Wednesday's 6/49 numbers has he predicted this EXACT deal not two weeks ago. Regardless of this deal's authenticity, things appear to be heating up in sens land, and this GAG order from Murray may in fact be more fact than fiction as it is has been increasingly difficult to get ANY news from the Sens org...

Cap'n' Clutch wrote:

jamvan wrote:Yep, Neil for Schneider would be a no-go for a few reasons. They don't really need a Neil type player, they already have plenty of toughness. As well, they couldn't take on his salary if they hope to sign Selanne, which is what I would assume will happen. I think you'll see Schneider moved for a late pick and then Selanne will sign on for another season with the Ducks.

As for Mez, I have been told that Murray firmly believes that Mez' aagent has him way over priced. Mez will not see a pennymore than $3.1 million from Murray and that would have to be a long term deal. I think we can all agree, that Vermette was a much more effective player at his position and look what he signed for. If things don't get resolved, Mez will either sit out, go to Russia (which I really don't see as an option) or sign for the minimal raise (if Murray gets fed up). Mes really isn't playing from a bargaining position. If he were to leave to Russia, that could turn out to be a career ending move (unless he's all about the $$).

As for Sundin, I don't put anythign past Bryan Murray and he has always described himself as a guy who at least inquires into moves that would make his team better. I wholeheartedly have to believe, that Murray has held some sort of talk with JP Barry about Mats, afterall, he's had enough talks with him on other players. Interesting to see what heppens, cause I also believe if he was destined to Montreal or Vancouver, it would have already been done.

I agree on Mesz. He's signing for way less than people expect and likely isn't part of Murray's longterm plans unless he signs a cheap deal.

As for Sundin, I agree Murray has likely inquired but I just get the feeling Sundin is either a Leaf or Retired by training camp.

Well, fo what it's worth everything I've heard and been told is that the Leafs are done with Sundin so he won't be going back and that's why he's having a tough time deciding. He doesn't want to lose his fans from Toronto, but at the same time, he's been given the door by the organization he left his heart on his sleeve for.

I agree on Mesz. He's signing for way less than people expect and likely isn't part of Murray's longterm plans unless he signs a cheap deal.

As for Sundin, I agree Murray has likely inquired but I just get the feeling Sundin is either a Leaf or Retired by training camp.[/quote]
Well, fo what it's worth everything I've heard and been told is that the Leafs are done with Sundin so he won't be going back and that's why he's having a tough time deciding. He doesn't want to lose his fans from Toronto, but at the same time, he's been given the door by the organization he left his heart on his sleeve for.[/quote]

That does make some sense then. My prediction then turns to retirement. I just don't see him playing for anyone but the Leafs. Who knows though? Only Sundin really knows I guess.

jamvan wrote:

Cap'n' Clutch wrote:

jamvan wrote:Yep, Neil for Schneider would be a no-go for a few reasons. They don't really need a Neil type player, they already have plenty of toughness. As well, they couldn't take on his salary if they hope to sign Selanne, which is what I would assume will happen. I think you'll see Schneider moved for a late pick and then Selanne will sign on for another season with the Ducks.

As for Mez, I have been told that Murray firmly believes that Mez' aagent has him way over priced. Mez will not see a pennymore than $3.1 million from Murray and that would have to be a long term deal. I think we can all agree, that Vermette was a much more effective player at his position and look what he signed for. If things don't get resolved, Mez will either sit out, go to Russia (which I really don't see as an option) or sign for the minimal raise (if Murray gets fed up). Mes really isn't playing from a bargaining position. If he were to leave to Russia, that could turn out to be a career ending move (unless he's all about the $$).

As for Sundin, I don't put anythign past Bryan Murray and he has always described himself as a guy who at least inquires into moves that would make his team better. I wholeheartedly have to believe, that Murray has held some sort of talk with JP Barry about Mats, afterall, he's had enough talks with him on other players. Interesting to see what heppens, cause I also believe if he was destined to Montreal or Vancouver, it would have already been done.

I agree on Mesz. He's signing for way less than people expect and likely isn't part of Murray's longterm plans unless he signs a cheap deal.

As for Sundin, I agree Murray has likely inquired but I just get the feeling Sundin is either a Leaf or Retired by training camp.

Well, fo what it's worth everything I've heard and been told is that the Leafs are done with Sundin so he won't be going back and that's why he's having a tough time deciding. He doesn't want to lose his fans from Toronto, but at the same time, he's been given the door by the organization he left his heart on his sleeve for.

It's really too bad, because I realize Sundin is and will continue to take a lot of flak for all this drama, but really it's being orchestrated by his agent mostly, not #13 himself.

As for Toronto giving up on him, that sucks, and I understand that Toronto needs to know what they are working with so they can proceed one way or another, if they truly do NOT want Mats back, and he bleeds blue, then it does put him in a damned-if-you-do; damned-if-you-don't spot.

I would be leaning more towards retirement, but that would be awful to hang up those skates of his and to know that Lord Stanley will remain out of his reach...

jamvan wrote:

It's really too bad, because I realize Sundin is and will continue to take a lot of flak for all this drama, but really it's being orchestrated by his agent mostly, not #13 himself.

As for Toronto giving up on him, that sucks, and I understand that Toronto needs to know what they are working with so they can proceed one way or another, if they truly do NOT want Mats back, and he bleeds blue, then it does put him in a damned-if-you-do; damned-if-you-don't spot.

I would be leaning more towards retirement, but that would be awful to hang up those skates of his and to know that Lord Stanley will remain out of his reach...

Agreed on all counts. The worst part is if Sundin does play for another team all this stuff will likely never come out and his career will be tarnished by Leaf fans.

Agreed on all counts. The worst part is if Sundin does play for another team all this stuff will likely never come out and his career will be tarnished by Leaf fans.[/quote]

Actually most LEaf fans don't hold any of this against Sundin, as they shouldn't. There's no way his career gets tarnished by this. I think when the Leafs traded his rights, that was a clear sign they are going the developement direction. No fault to the Leafs or Sundin.

jamvan wrote:Agreed on all counts. The worst part is if Sundin does play for another team all this stuff will likely never come out and his career will be tarnished by Leaf fans.
Actually most LEaf fans don't hold any of this against Sundin, as they shouldn't. There's no way his career gets tarnished by this. I think when the Leafs traded his rights, that was a clear sign they are going the developement direction. No fault to the Leafs or Sundin.

Then I think it's almost a certainty Sundin signs for at least one more year, maybe two, so he can make his final push to hoist Lord Stanley's Mug! Again, the question remains, with whom??

Cronenbergfan wrote:

jamvan wrote:Agreed on all counts. The worst part is if Sundin does play for another team all this stuff will likely never come out and his career will be tarnished by Leaf fans.
Actually most LEaf fans don't hold any of this against Sundin, as they shouldn't. There's no way his career gets tarnished by this. I think when the Leafs traded his rights, that was a clear sign they are going the developement direction. No fault to the Leafs or Sundin.

Then I think it's almost a certainty Sundin signs for at least one more year, maybe two, so he can make his final push to hoist Lord Stanley's Mug! Again, the question remains, with whom??

Hey guys, good job starting up this forum. Now we can let our real opinions out without getting bashed or banned by the mods (unless cronie's feeling particularly angry! :x ) and Wow, look at all those emoticons.


Anyways, my 2 cents on the Sundin situation is that he's either retiring or going back to TO. From what I understand and have gathered from some people close to him- he's an incredibly loyal guy, and to me Montreal, being the rival that they are, would be the equivalent of him committing suicide to his legions of Leafs fans. Vancouver would have been my logical choice for him to go- but he turned down a 10 mil per offer over 2 years? If it's not money, then maybe it's a cup- but the only team that legitimately has a realistic shot at the cup from the get go this year is the Red Wings, and I can't see Detroit making the room for him. No chance he goes to NYR for the same reason- no cap room.

Toronto or bust for our boy Sundin.



I want to hear more about these Hamhuis rumours though. If we trade him for Vermette, and re-sign Meszaros to a decent contract, how good does our back end look?

Lee-Phillips
Volch-Hamhuis
Smith-Mesz
Schubert


After talking with some Preds fans, they say that Hamhuis throws some massive hits on top of his offensive upside. Apparently he moves the puck really well out of his own end, which is what Redden used to be good for.

As attractive as Vermette's new contract is, I like this trade.


We're obviously somewhat strapped up front, but with a defense like that, and a top 3 like we have in alf, spezz, heat: we can let some of our prospects play, guys like Foligno, Zubov, Nikulin, Winchester, Bass, etc can log some serious minutes and get that opportunity to shine in the bigs.

[quote="Jordo"][quote="Cronenbergfan"]

jamvan wrote:Agreed on all counts. The worst part is if Sundin does play for another team all this stuff will likely never come out and his career will be tarnished by Leaf fans.
Actually most LEaf fans don't hold any of this against Sundin, as they shouldn't. There's no way his career gets tarnished by this. I think when the Leafs traded his rights, that was a clear sign they are going the developement direction. No fault to the Leafs or Sundin.

Then I think it's almost a certainty Sundin signs for at least one more year, maybe two, so he can make his final push to hoist Lord Stanley's Mug! Again, the question remains, with whom??

Hey guys, good job starting up this forum. Now we can let our real opinions out without getting bashed or banned by the mods (unless cronie's feeling particularly angry! :x ) and Wow, look at all those emoticons.


Anyways, my 2 cents on the Sundin situation is that he's either retiring or going back to TO. From what I understand and have gathered from some people close to him- he's an incredibly loyal guy, and to me Montreal, being the rival that they are, would be the equivalent of him committing suicide to his legions of Leafs fans. Vancouver would have been my logical choice for him to go- but he turned down a 10 mil per offer over 2 years? If it's not money, then maybe it's a cup- but the only team that legitimately has a realistic shot at the cup from the get go this year is the Red Wings, and I can't see Detroit making the room for him. No chance he goes to NYR for the same reason- no cap room.

Toronto or bust for our boy Sundin.



I want to hear more about these Hamhuis rumours though. If we trade him for Vermette, and re-sign Meszaros to a decent contract, how good does our back end look?

Lee-Phillips
Volch-Hamhuis
Smith-Mesz
Schubert


After talking with some Preds fans, they say that Hamhuis throws some massive hits on top of his offensive upside. Apparently he moves the puck really well out of his own end, which is what Redden used to be good for.

As attractive as Vermette's new contract is, I like this trade.


We're obviously somewhat strapped up front, but with a defense like that, and a top 3 like we have in alf, spezz, heat: we can let some of our prospects play, guys like Foligno, Zubov, Nikulin, Winchester, Bass, etc can log some serious minutes and get that opportunity to shine in the bigs.

Hey Jordo! Glad you defected...err, I mean checked out our site! lol

Seriously, well put bro. I completely agree with your points about Toronto. Also, Jam brought up a great point about Fletcher moving on and basically The leafs are walking away from Sundin, so essentially, using both your arguments and opinions, it seems like Sundin is going to retire...

Cool, so everyone decided to keep their HB names. And, OMG! Lookit all those new smileys :study:

How can I change my vote? I clicked "No" by mistake (missed the "if Meszaros is signed" part). That said, he's got to be signed to a good contract, that will leave us $2-3M for the deadline.

wprager wrote:Cool, so everyone decided to keep their HB names. And, OMG! Lookit all those new smileys :study:

How can I change my vote? I clicked "No" by mistake (missed the "if Meszaros is signed" part). That said, he's got to be signed to a good contract, that will leave us $2-3M for the deadline.

I'm not sure dude. I think the Cap 'n' will be able to remedy that! :lol:

Cronenbergfan wrote:WOO HOO!! I get the first rumor post!
But seriously, On behalf of the site's admin staff, I cordially welcome everyone to this Hockey discussion mecca, if you will.

Now, onto Sens rumors...

With Murray brilliantly signing Vermette to an amazing two year deal mere MINUTES before they were due to appear before the Arbitrators, the LONE unsigned Sen is Mezaros. This 22 yr D man, who has been described by some as a phenom in the works, has not received ANY offer sheets from the other NHL teams, at least to my knowledge. However, he was apparently offered a 3-4 yr deal to play in the KHL for approx. $3.5M. Now, this could be leverage for Mezie as he may hope Murray 'cracks' and offers him something in that range, while it's been suggested that Murray tabled his FINAL offer to Mezie last friday and he, like MANY sens fans, is waiting to hear back from Mezie's camp.

Murray has managed excellent, discounted signings this off-season, and I see no reason to believe that he cannot work his magic again and sign Mezie for something in the $2M range, as was suggested from a trusted source, and then theoretically, he could use upwards of $4.5M - $5M to entice another FA to come Ottawa's way... Murray has stated recently in an interview that he wants another forward, and should he have that kind of $$ to entice one *cough SUNDIN cough* then it would be interesting to see who comes our way.

Either way, the next few days could prove to be interesting as we await ANY news on the Mezaros front.

Also, Neil trade rumors have cooled considerably, whereas a few weeks ago he was as sure as gone and on his way to Chicago, while another rumor had him destined for Anaheim for a return of Schneider. As I hear them, I will post and update rumors as it relates to my beloved team, the Ottawa Senators. Let's get the discussions and rants going.

gentlemen! its nice to have a safe haven where one does not have to fear having their account(s) terminated for simply questioning one's sources. congrats to cronenbergfan and all others involved on this site - its looking good and thanks for thinking to invite me to join. very appreciated and i'm glad to be on board.

my accounts at that HB site were both montague and capulet if any of you recall, but here i'm montague.

so down to business...

i voted that i'm happy with what murray has done thus far by the way and reason being i actually think every move he's made thus far since taking over as gm has been the right move - not necessarily a good move, but the right one. he locked up three important players at what now seem like reasonable salaries in heatley, spezza and fisher and now he's gotten vermette under a nice contract and has packed up team players in ruutu, auld and smith.

everybody criticized the emery signing after the ray became a psycho, but imagine the heat he would have taken if he hadn't have signed the goalie that came with use to our first ever stanley cup finals? and bringing paddock in as coach also in a bizarre way wasn't the worst move - it was tough to argue with any of the decisions he made after we lost to anaheim. and now he's got what i feel is for the first time, free reign to build a bryan murray team.

after detroit won the cup with a goalie like osgoode (again) i feel like gerber isn't a terrible option and as well, i feel defensively speaking, our defense is one of the stronger ones in the eastern conference. offensively, well that's another story and we'll have to see if another move is made or if ottawa finally has the rookie-breakout season we've been due for for so long (since alfie really) with brian lee.

i'm afraid to let meszaros go - i can see myself saying in a year or two something like, son of a b!tch - that guy was senator once! but at $4million per, i just don't think its in the books.

i can't see neil being here next season - i don't quite see where he fits in - goons are needed less and less and rather agitators like ruutu and bass are more important in the new nhl it seems. a line of ruutu - kelly - neil just seems like too much.

i'd like to think we're in on the sundin sweeps, but somehow i don't see it - the money is too high - but i hope this means that somehow murray's been talking with shanahan's people. a proven leader, with a winning history and still with enough gas in the tank for 30 goals at a reasonable price makes more sense than an ok leader with no winning history that will score 30 goals at an astronomical dollar amount (that still isn't sure if he even wants to play).

and maybe (i'm a dreamer) picking up glenn murray for a song would be a nice addition for a year - twenty goals for a million and a half or two seems like a steal nowadays! this would of course mean bye-bye somebody and that would likely mean chris neil.

so how does this look:

heatley - spezza - alfredsson

vermette - fisher - shanahan

murray/bass - kelly - ruutu

foligno - mcammond - donovan

phillips - volchenkov

lee - smith

schubert - bell

gerber

auld

anyway, sorry for the long post guys - its been a while since i've contributed on-line since i began my HB diet. i'll stop now or else i never will.

its august 5 and i'm dieing for hockey to get going...