HockeyFutures ranks Ottawa's prospects

PKC wrote:

stempniaksen wrote:The top of the rankings are fine, but once we get into the Caporusso, O'Brien, Hoffman and Petersson spots it seems a little out of wack.

This could just be his (or her) opinion about it though and we need to remember that since I'm sure we all have varying opinions about our prospects (especially the offensive ones).

It shouldn't be an opinion. It should mirror the organization's sentiment toward these prospects. So when you have Hoffman ranked second to last in the prospect pool after the general manager and coach of the team said the guy will be an NHLer in the very near future you have to raise your eyebrows about the accuracy and research behind the write-up. That's not to say that HF's prospect rankings are set in stone and are unquestionable but they need to have some kind of legitimacy.

Agreed, and guys like Hoffman and Butler need to be higher because the organization has come out and said they see them making the jump soon, but it's tougher to make that type of distinction when talking about guys like Caporusso and Silfverberg who haven't spent any time with the organization yet. So obviously when it comes to those types of guys than opinions are going to make a big difference.

stempniaksen wrote:The top of the rankings are fine, but once we get into the Caporusso, O'Brien, Hoffman and Petersson spots it seems a little out of wack.

This could just be his (or her) opinion about it though and we need to remember that since I'm sure we all have varying opinions about our prospects (especially the offensive ones).

Yeah, although the writer says that Caporusso is having a tremendous NCAA and is bulking up - and O'Brien fell pretty hard, but Hoffman and Petersson being so low is...just wrong.

Seriously though, Caporusso sounds like he's a LOT better than we all think.

Caporusso is amazing. Had the opportunity to see him a few times and was very impressed. I think I would still put Petersson and Butler ahead of him (Hoffman would be a toss-up).

PKC wrote:It shouldn't be an opinion. It should mirror the organization's sentiment toward these prospects. So when you have Hoffman ranked second to last in the prospect pool after the general manager and coach of the team said the guy will be an NHLer in the very near future you have to raise your eyebrows about the accuracy and research behind the write-up. That's not to say that HF's prospect rankings are set in stone and are unquestionable but they need to have some kind of legitimacy.

It should absolutely NOT be base on trying to mirror the organization's sentiments. It is supposed to be an independent analysis, not regurgitating the teams press releases. And in the end, it all comes down to opinion. If the guy disagrees on the team being so high on a specific guy, then they should state so. It is just as valuable to hear a dissenting opinion as it is to hear one in agreement.

Now, with that said, some of the reasoning behind the choices in this case does seems a little suspect.

stempniaksen wrote:Caporusso is amazing. Had the opportunity to see him a few times and was very impressed. I think I would still put Petersson and Butler ahead of him (Hoffman would be a toss-up).

Really? This is interesting stuff, I knew some people were high on Cap, but I didn't realize he was quite that good.

There's a long time poster on HF who loves Caporusso, so I'm trying to pump him for info.

My problem is, he's always been a huge Muckler supporter and a Murray basher (and I think Caporusso was selected by Muckler). Still...he seems to think Caporusso can be an NHLer with a lot of upside.

So that's Stemp and him that are really talking this kid up - not to mention the BJ reporter who ranked him 6th.

Is this guy for real?

stempniaksen wrote:Caporusso is amazing. Had the opportunity to see him a few times and was very impressed. I think I would still put Petersson and Butler ahead of him (Hoffman would be a toss-up).

It's alright. I've tried it at Second Cup and Starbucks but I prefer regular coffee.

SpezDispenser wrote:There's a long time poster on HF who loves Caporusso, so I'm trying to pump him for info.

My problem is, he's always been a huge Muckler supporter and a Murray basher (and I think Caporusso was selected by Muckler). Still...he seems to think Caporusso can be an NHLer with a lot of upside.

So that's Stemp and him that are really talking this kid up - not to mention the BJ reporter who ranked him 6th.

Is this guy for real?

Haha, I think me and Fuhr are almost polar opposites too as far as our views about the team. So when a prospect like Caporusso can bring us together you know there\s something special there.

I really do compare Caporusso to Petersson, not necessarily playing style, but the fact that they are both smaller guys with some upside (granted I'm probably the biggest Petersson supporter, so I don't think they're quite at the same level).

That Fuhr guy is odd. I can't figure out whether he's a genuine Sens fans with very particular opinions or one the most devious trolls in existence.

Haha I'm gonna apply to HockeysFuture...let's see if I can become a Sens or fantasy hockey writer for them

stempniaksen wrote:
Haha, I think me and Fuhr are almost polar opposites too as far as our views about the team. So when a prospect like Caporusso can bring us together you know there\s something special there.

I really do compare Caporusso to Petersson, not necessarily playing style, but the fact that they are both smaller guys with some upside (granted I'm probably the biggest Petersson supporter, so I don't think they're quite at the same level).

Yeah, every single thing Fuhr has ever said I take with a grain of salt. He's VERY pro-Muckler/anti-Murray as you probably know, so most of the time I don't even bother, but this time he seemed to have very strong arguments as to why Caporusso should/will make it.

Interesting. I'm very pleased. And it shows that if a prospect takes so much as a game off these days, he can be replaced (Wick).

Big Ev wrote:Haha I'm gonna apply to HockeysFuture...let's see if I can become a Sens or fantasy hockey writer for them

Please do!

Did you see who wrote their Bruins prospect rankings? Alessadro Seren Rosso, who lives in Russia and is a Russian prospect / Russian fantasy hockey writer. You're gonna tell me he actually follows the Bruins prospects and has a good idea on how to rank them? He didn't even have Ryan Spooner in the Top 20.

Big Ev wrote:Did you see who wrote their Bruins prospect rankings? Alessadro Seren Rosso, who lives in Russia and is a Russian prospect / Russian fantasy hockey writer. You're gonna tell me he actually follows the Bruins prospects and has a good idea on how to rank them? He didn't even have Ryan Spooner in the Top 20.

Holy cow, really? I don't follow HF for their prospect write ups, but I do find they have a nice list of all the prospects. It's diametrically different from what we all feel usually, so I prefer taking the word of people around here more than some arbitrary writer.

Big Ev wrote:Did you see who wrote their Bruins prospect rankings? Alessadro Seren Rosso, who lives in Russia and is a Russian prospect / Russian fantasy hockey writer. You're gonna tell me he actually follows the Bruins prospects and has a good idea on how to rank them? He didn't even have Ryan Spooner in the Top 20.

The internet thought police will go gangbusters on this thread any minute now with their everyone-is-entitled-to-their-own-opinion hoopla. Just wait for it.

PKC wrote:

Big Ev wrote:Did you see who wrote their Bruins prospect rankings? Alessadro Seren Rosso, who lives in Russia and is a Russian prospect / Russian fantasy hockey writer. You're gonna tell me he actually follows the Bruins prospects and has a good idea on how to rank them? He didn't even have Ryan Spooner in the Top 20.

The internet thought police will go gangbusters on this thread any minute now with their everyone-is-entitled-to-their-own-opinion hoopla. Just wait for it.

Some opinions are wrong though.

Ok I applied at HF, let's see what happens

Big Ev wrote:Did you see who wrote their Bruins prospect rankings? Alessadro Seren Rosso, who lives in Russia and is a Russian prospect / Russian fantasy hockey writer. You're gonna tell me he actually follows the Bruins prospects and has a good idea on how to rank them? He didn't even have Ryan Spooner in the Top 20.

That's a *very* Italian name (except for the middle). Maybe he just got exiled.