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sens4win wrote:Maybe you guys should know that I was a huge heatley fan and as much as I have lost respect for him I would take him over a lot of people.. (I probably should have just said that to begin with)

I was a fan of Heatley too, lucky I never bought a jersey.

He didn't want to be here for whatever reason, at that point he was dead to me.

We don't need such players on the team.

He put us in a really difficult situation and BM did the best he could.

It was either Michalek or Erhoff (+ Cheechoo) so I think we did good.

Big Ev wrote:
Even though it doesn't work like that (just putting GOnchar in the deal because we freed up a bit of cap space), I will take the Heatley side. Like I said, we needed to trade him, but Murray should have held off and got the best deal at the deadline. We would have made the playoffs with Heatley anyway.

I think it would have been impossible to add Gonchar without Heatley being jettisoned. 3 million bucks went from the Heatley fund right into the Gonchar fund for July 1. If we hadn't traded Heatley, that would have made that impossible.

A deadline deal would have been too risky. When you ask out of a team, the other teammates - whether they admit it or not - take that somewhat personally. I don't think the team would have been nearly as good with him on it - not to mention that he looked disinterested and frankly, I thought he was one hit away from being close to done.

CockRoche wrote:The Heatley trade was needed.

The Sens are a better team without Heatley; on the ice and in the locker room.

You can not have someone on your team creating that kind of internal conflict, it destroys the team.

I don't look at that trade man for man, I don't think anybody should. Look at the bigger picture.

I think it's funny that I posted this and then the next 10 posts talk about players who are still here from that trade and who we signed because of it. Haha.

The trade goes waaaayyyyy beyond that. You can't get a team a tight as the 2010-11 Sens and that is because Heatley and the distraction he was and would have been is gone.

Call it a win/win and carry on.

OMG...Cammalerri is suspended, Markov is doubtful, Hamrlik is doubtful...

and now Carey Price is doubtful with the flu.

The Leafs have a MASSIVE opportunity to get an important W tomorrow.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Big Ev wrote:
Even though it doesn't work like that (just putting GOnchar in the deal because we freed up a bit of cap space), I will take the Heatley side. Like I said, we needed to trade him, but Murray should have held off and got the best deal at the deadline. We would have made the playoffs with Heatley anyway.

I think it would have been impossible to add Gonchar without Heatley being jettisoned. 3 million bucks went from the Heatley fund right into the Gonchar fund for July 1. If we hadn't traded Heatley, that would have made that impossible.

A deadline deal would have been too risky. When you ask out of a team, the other teammates - whether they admit it or not - take that somewhat personally. I don't think the team would have been nearly as good with him on it - not to mention that he looked disinterested and frankly, I thought he was one hit away from being close to done.

I'm not sure you can make that argument...

If you don't trade Heatley (7.5), then you don't get Michalek (4.3) or Cheechoo (3)

7.5 vs 7.3

I would say that the Cheechoo buyout was a helped us to land Gonchar

Amnesia021 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Big Ev wrote:
Even though it doesn't work like that (just putting GOnchar in the deal because we freed up a bit of cap space), I will take the Heatley side. Like I said, we needed to trade him, but Murray should have held off and got the best deal at the deadline. We would have made the playoffs with Heatley anyway.

I think it would have been impossible to add Gonchar without Heatley being jettisoned. 3 million bucks went from the Heatley fund right into the Gonchar fund for July 1. If we hadn't traded Heatley, that would have made that impossible.

A deadline deal would have been too risky. When you ask out of a team, the other teammates - whether they admit it or not - take that somewhat personally. I don't think the team would have been nearly as good with him on it - not to mention that he looked disinterested and frankly, I thought he was one hit away from being close to done.

I'm not sure you can make that argument...

If you don't trade Heatley (7.5), then you don't get Michalek (4.3) or Cheechoo (3)

7.5 vs 7.3

I would say that the Cheechoo buyout was a helped us to land Gonchar

The Cheechoo buyout is costing us cap space. Would have been cheaper on the cap to send him to Bingo this year and be done with him. Now he will STILL be on the cap next season too at over 1 million bucks too!

Amnesia021 wrote:
I'm not sure you can make that argument...

If you don't trade Heatley (7.5), then you don't get Michalek (4.3) or Cheechoo (3)

7.5 vs 7.3

I would say that the Cheechoo buyout was a helped us to land Gonchar

Buyout...I hate that we bought that tool out. We should have waived him to the AHL and be done with it, but no, we must save 800K over 2 years! What the hell do WE care about cap space.

Stupid...but...no matter how you slice it, we got rid of him and opened the doors for The Gonch.

Souray assigned to Hershey of the AHL (Washington's farm team) - which sucks for Bingo because Hershey was good enough before this.

NJD, Boston, Calgary and Vancouver are still over the cap. Didn't they have a 3 o'clock deadline? What happens now?

spader wrote:NJD, Boston, Calgary and Vancouver are still over the cap. Didn't they have a 3 o'clock deadline? What happens now?

They have most likely made moves that we haven't heard about yet. One for instance is Zubrus put on waivers for the Devils. Just give it some time for the dust to clear to have a better picture.

Penalties are in place within the CBA if they do indeed stay over the cap.

spader wrote:NJD, Boston, Calgary and Vancouver are still over the cap. Didn't they have a 3 o'clock deadline? What happens now?

NJ conveniently put Salvador on the LTIR as well as Salmela or whatever. So they're fine now. Boston put Savard onto the LTIR, right?

Calgary...should be ashamed of themselves, but Langkow and Stajan are both LTIR candidates.

Vancouver traded some nerd Hordichuk for Andrew Peters, then waived Peters I think, plus they traded SOB to...Nashville for some dude Ryan Parent, who they waived.

They might be good now. I could be wrong though.

CockRoche wrote:

spader wrote:NJD, Boston, Calgary and Vancouver are still over the cap. Didn't they have a 3 o'clock deadline? What happens now?

They have most likely made moves that we haven't heard about yet. One for instance is Zubrus put on waivers for the Devils. Just give it some time for the dust to clear to have a better picture.

Penalties are in place within the CBA if they do indeed stay over the cap.

Do you know what the penalties would be? Pretty funny if NJD got served with another penalty.

Devils are fine, they are going with 20 players instead of 23, and the stuff Spez mentioned.

spader wrote:

CockRoche wrote:

spader wrote:NJD, Boston, Calgary and Vancouver are still over the cap. Didn't they have a 3 o'clock deadline? What happens now?

They have most likely made moves that we haven't heard about yet. One for instance is Zubrus put on waivers for the Devils. Just give it some time for the dust to clear to have a better picture.

Penalties are in place within the CBA if they do indeed stay over the cap.

Do you know what the penalties would be? Pretty funny if NJD got served with another penalty.

Those my friend, are a closely guarded secret. I know the CBA inside and out (or so I like to think) and all it really does is refer you to the Constitution and Bylaws. It's under Article 30 (I think).

I have a copy of the old constitution, but that is no good as it is pre-salary cap era.

We just have to wait and see.

The Vancouver Canucks have acquired left wing Andrew Peters from the Florida Panthers in exchange for left wing Darcy Hordichuk.

Party time for them 'Nucks and Cats!

SpezDispenser wrote:Souray assigned to Hershey of the AHL (Washington's farm team) - which sucks for Bingo because Hershey was good enough before this.

They can't really trade him as he'd have to clear re-entry first and odds are someone will grab him for half price.

Hoags wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Souray assigned to Hershey of the AHL (Washington's farm team) - which sucks for Bingo because Hershey was good enough before this.

They can't really trade him as he'd have to clear re-entry first and odds are someone will grab him for half price.

At this point, I'm sure they'd just be happy to be rid of him.