Sens Might Drop Back in Draft

LOS ANGELES — The Senators have a better chance of moving back in the first round of the NHL draft than forward.
Assistant GM Tim Murray admitted Wednesday it’s tough to move up from the No. 16 position.

Instead, the Senators might be able to acquire a draft pick in the second round if they agree to move back a few spots. That decision won’t be made until they get to the table Friday night.

“It usually takes a second-round pick to sweeten the pot to move up. We don’t have one because we used our two for good assets,” said Murray.

“It might make sense for us to move down, especially if we think we can get two or three of the players we want later on in the draft. The only other way to move up would be our No. 1 pick and a young player off our roster. That would be tough, but would depend on who was available.”

No buyout yet

The Senators haven’t exercised their option to buy out RW Jonathan Cheechoo. Before making the move, the Senators are trying to deal his rights elsewhere. Maybe another team would take on Cheechoo’s $3.25-million contract and buy him out if the Senators agree to take a larger deal back.

Offers sent

The Senators have extended qualifying offers to restricted free agents Peter Regin, Nick Foligno, Jesse Winchester and Chris Campoli. There’s a lot of posturing going in Regin’s camp, but he’ll likely be signed or get a two-year deal done at arbitration.

So Regin does have arbitration rights?

SensGirl11 wrote:So Regin does have arbitration rights?

Not sure that's a great thing, except for the fact that statistically he didn't light it up.

But they'll bring it highlight packs of him and try to make the arbitrator believe that his upside is enormous. I could see us overpaying - to the tune of 2 million a year - if this goes to arb.

SpezDispenser wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:So Regin does have arbitration rights?

Not sure that's a great thing, except for the fact that statistically he didn't light it up.

But they'll bring it highlight packs of him and try to make the arbitrator believe that his upside is enormous. I could see us overpaying - to the tune of 2 million a year - if this goes to arb.

Would an arbitrator really overpay that much? He can see the stats and see that 29 pts does not garner whatever Regin is requesting. I have a feeling the sens just want to avoid the tension the arbitration could cause and overpay for Regin a day or two before arbitration. I remember this happened with Emery on the morning of.

Ya, this isnt a shock in the least.

Michallica wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:So Regin does have arbitration rights?

Not sure that's a great thing, except for the fact that statistically he didn't light it up.

But they'll bring it highlight packs of him and try to make the arbitrator believe that his upside is enormous. I could see us overpaying - to the tune of 2 million a year - if this goes to arb.

Would an arbitrator really overpay that much? He can see the stats and see that 29 pts does not garner whatever Regin is requesting. I have a feeling the sens just want to avoid the tension the arbitration could cause and overpay for Regin a day or two before arbitration. I remember this happened with Emery on the morning of.

And Vermette too. I don't know if they would award him anything over 1.2, I surely wouldn't as an arb., but man there's always the possibility that they look at his numbers at the end of the season + the playoffs, then factor in his age and say that he's worth more than the 1.2 they want to pay him.

I don't know, it's a tricky business this arbitration. And as you say, it can be very nasty (although Regin's a stud, so we'd just say he hasn't proven a thing yet).

moving up a roster player plus the pick? well i'm all for putting Lee out there.... what about cheechoo? hey i'm a nice guy, i'll even put in shannon

SpezDispenser wrote:

Michallica wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:So Regin does have arbitration rights?

Not sure that's a great thing, except for the fact that statistically he didn't light it up.

But they'll bring it highlight packs of him and try to make the arbitrator believe that his upside is enormous. I could see us overpaying - to the tune of 2 million a year - if this goes to arb.

Would an arbitrator really overpay that much? He can see the stats and see that 29 pts does not garner whatever Regin is requesting. I have a feeling the sens just want to avoid the tension the arbitration could cause and overpay for Regin a day or two before arbitration. I remember this happened with Emery on the morning of.

And Vermette too. I don't know if they would award him anything over 1.2, I surely wouldn't as an arb., but man there's always the possibility that they look at his numbers at the end of the season + the playoffs, then factor in his age and say that he's worth more than the 1.2 they want to pay him.

I don't know, it's a tricky business this arbitration. And as you say, it can be very nasty (although Regin's a stud, so we'd just say he hasn't proven a thing yet).

I remember relations being somewhat unpleasant between Marshall Johnston and Alfredsson back in 2001 after the yashin trade. Thigns were said that Alfie didn't appreciate during the arbitration. That's when Alfie was inked only to a one year deal. I will say this though abut John Muckler, I certainly consider him a big reason as to why Alfredsson finally settled into a more comfort zone in Ottawa. Mucks signed him multi-year the summer after.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Michallica wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:So Regin does have arbitration rights?

Not sure that's a great thing, except for the fact that statistically he didn't light it up.

But they'll bring it highlight packs of him and try to make the arbitrator believe that his upside is enormous. I could see us overpaying - to the tune of 2 million a year - if this goes to arb.

Would an arbitrator really overpay that much? He can see the stats and see that 29 pts does not garner whatever Regin is requesting. I have a feeling the sens just want to avoid the tension the arbitration could cause and overpay for Regin a day or two before arbitration. I remember this happened with Emery on the morning of.

And Vermette too. I don't know if they would award him anything over 1.2, I surely wouldn't as an arb., but man there's always the possibility that they look at his numbers at the end of the season + the playoffs, then factor in his age and say that he's worth more than the 1.2 they want to pay him.

I don't know, it's a tricky business this arbitration. And as you say, it can be very nasty (although Regin's a stud, so we'd just say he hasn't proven a thing yet).

do we know it's 1.2 they are offereing for sure? maybe murray is low-balling at 900 K?

SpezDispenser wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:So Regin does have arbitration rights?

Not sure that's a great thing, except for the fact that statistically he didn't light it up.

But they'll bring it highlight packs of him and try to make the arbitrator believe that his upside is enormous. I could see us overpaying - to the tune of 2 million a year - if this goes to arb.

Really? You think it could get that high? I was thinking more like 1.5 - 1.75 at the very most x2.

Flo The Action wrote:do we know it's 1.2 they are offereing for sure? maybe murray is low-balling at 900 K?

The 1.2 is 100% purely speculation on my part. That's what I think Regin's worth X 2 years personally. Not a penny more, maybe less like you speculate.

Don't get me wrong, I love Regin, but he's done very little to prove himself as a bonafide NHLer yet.

SensGirl11 wrote:
Really? You think it could get that high? I was thinking more like 1.5 - 1.75 at the very most x2.

I actually don't think it'll get to arbitration, but I think it could hurt us a bit if it does. I think your numbers are right, he'd be awarded 1.5.

If it goes to arbitration, Regin is going to get hammered. Literally, the guy has 30 points to his name in The NHL during 90 some odd games... Ryan Shannon got that.

If Regin was smart he would sign a one year deal woth about 1.2 and try and improve on his playoffs. I think that's what it would come down to.

N4L wrote:If it goes to arbitration, Regin is going to get hammered. Literally, the guy has 30 points to his name in The NHL during 90 some odd games... Ryan Shannon got that.

If Regin was smart he would sign a one year deal woth about 1.2 and try and improve on his playoffs. I think that's what it would come down to.

I think that's what happens as well personally. Too much risk on both sides going to arbitration. You could get a bleeding heart who thinks Regin is the next Zetterberg and gives him a 2 million X 3 years. Too much uncertainty and too much bad blood after those hearings.

SpezDispenser wrote:

N4L wrote:If it goes to arbitration, Regin is going to get hammered. Literally, the guy has 30 points to his name in The NHL during 90 some odd games... Ryan Shannon got that.

If Regin was smart he would sign a one year deal woth about 1.2 and try and improve on his playoffs. I think that's what it would come down to.

I think that's what happens as well personally. Too much risk on both sides going to arbitration. You could get a bleeding heart who thinks Regin is the next Zetterberg and gives him a 2 million X 3 years. Too much uncertainty and too much bad blood after those hearings.

3 years at 2 mill, we could end up being winners at that rate.
i rather not go for the 1 year but for the 2 years. IMO he'' get 1.2.