OFFSEASON TALK: Forwards!

SpezDispenser wrote:I won't complain if we trade Spezza, I just don't think it's happening and frankly, I'd rather the 90 point centerman than not next year and the year after.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

N4L wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

N4L wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:No need to trade Spezza, I said it last night, he comes along for the youth influx as our number one center.

Who knows, maybe if we give him two motivated wingers who like to crash the crease, he can flirt with 90+ points again. Or Petersson, I'd like to see his filthy wrister being set up by Spezza.

Thornton is JUST being validated (barely), there's plenty of time for Spezza. Just make sure you surround him with top notch players - like Cullen, Regin, Alfie, Fisher, Michalek. I like it. I vote we keep Spezza.

Thornton has always played with a way more physical edge then Spezza. Fact of the matter is Spezza isnt gritty enough or hard enough to get a team through the playoffs himself. The fact you are saying maybe if The Sens can go out and get moptivated wingers to get Spezza going, that's a HUGE issue. I fail to see how you cant realize that.

Alfi is about as motivated as you can get along with Regin... not sure what else you expect The Sens to do? A 165, 5'9 winger from Sweden to pick up Spezza? Talk about grasping for straws.

This past year was Spezza's year to shut up the critics and he did anything but. He needed to show he can carry this team a little and not depend on others, he didnt.

If you want to make a case for "Jumbo Joe" being better than Spezza you are also grasping at straws.

Im not a Thornton fan and have never pretended to be, but do you really want to get into what Thornton has done vs what Spezza has? Thornton is the better player and always has been.

Thornton has been a HUGE regular season producer and a playoff disappointment, to put it mildly. Spezza has produced in the regular AND post-season.

N4L wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

N4L wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

N4L wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:No need to trade Spezza, I said it last night, he comes along for the youth influx as our number one center.

Who knows, maybe if we give him two motivated wingers who like to crash the crease, he can flirt with 90+ points again. Or Petersson, I'd like to see his filthy wrister being set up by Spezza.

Thornton is JUST being validated (barely), there's plenty of time for Spezza. Just make sure you surround him with top notch players - like Cullen, Regin, Alfie, Fisher, Michalek. I like it. I vote we keep Spezza.

Thornton has always played with a way more physical edge then Spezza. Fact of the matter is Spezza isnt gritty enough or hard enough to get a team through the playoffs himself. The fact you are saying maybe if The Sens can go out and get moptivated wingers to get Spezza going, that's a HUGE issue. I fail to see how you cant realize that.

Alfi is about as motivated as you can get along with Regin... not sure what else you expect The Sens to do? A 165, 5'9 winger from Sweden to pick up Spezza? Talk about grasping for straws.

This past year was Spezza's year to shut up the critics and he did anything but. He needed to show he can carry this team a little and not depend on others, he didnt.

If you want to make a case for "Jumbo Joe" being better than Spezza you are also grasping at straws.

Im not a Thornton fan and have never pretended to be, but do you really want to get into what Thornton has done vs what Spezza has? Thornton is the better player and always has been.

Thornton has been a HUGE regular season producer and a playoff disappointment, to put it mildly. Spezza has produced in the regular AND post-season.

Post season production? When was the last time he had a good series. If the amount of points that Spezza puts up are people's only arguements here then that's a problem to itself. He put up over a PPG this playoffs and he might have been the snigle worst forward on the top 3 lines.

Thornton has a Hart Trophy, Art Ross, WJC's, a World Cup, an Olympic Gold vs Spezza's ___ ___ ____ (Ill let you fill in the blanks)

N4L wrote:Except this year eh... or Alfi carrying the team in the finals... Spezza had all the support he could get coming from the 2nd line this year and he did absolutely nothing.

Spezza has had the luxury of playing with maybe the two best wingers in the game for a 4 year stretch and people say "he hasnt had the support he needs". That's crap.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

N4L wrote:Except this year eh... or Alfi carrying the team in the finals... Spezza had all the support he could get coming from the 2nd line this year and he did absolutely nothing.

Spezza has had the luxury of playing with maybe the two best wingers in the game for a 4 year stretch and people say "he hasnt had the support he needs". That's crap.

I didn't say anything about his wingers? I really don't care if Spezza stays or goes and I agreed with you to an extent until you started saying "Jumbo Joe" is better than Spezza. He just isn't.

To summarize, the Ottawa Senators have a better chance of winning with Spezza and an improved 2nd line than they do of winning without Spezza and the same 2nd line.

N4L wrote:Except this year eh... or Alfi carrying the team in the finals... Spezza had all the support he could get coming from the 2nd line this year and he did absolutely nothing.

Spezza has had the luxury of playing with maybe the two best wingers in the game for a 4 year stretch and people say "he hasnt had the support he needs". That's crap.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

N4L wrote:Except this year eh... or Alfi carrying the team in the finals... Spezza had all the support he could get coming from the 2nd line this year and he did absolutely nothing.

Spezza has had the luxury of playing with maybe the two best wingers in the game for a 4 year stretch and people say "he hasnt had the support he needs". That's crap.

Don't forget that in 2007 he had support and they made it to the Cup Finals.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

N4L wrote:Except this year eh... or Alfi carrying the team in the finals... Spezza had all the support he could get coming from the 2nd line this year and he did absolutely nothing.

Spezza has had the luxury of playing with maybe the two best wingers in the game for a 4 year stretch and people say "he hasnt had the support he needs". That's crap.

I didn't say anything about his wingers? I really don't care if Spezza stays or goes and I agreed with you to an extent until you started saying "Jumbo Joe" is better than Spezza. He just isn't.

To summarize, the Ottawa Senators have a better chance of winning with Spezza and an improved 2nd line than they do of winning without Spezza and the same 2nd line.

N4L wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

N4L wrote:Except this year eh... or Alfi carrying the team in the finals... Spezza had all the support he could get coming from the 2nd line this year and he did absolutely nothing.

Spezza has had the luxury of playing with maybe the two best wingers in the game for a 4 year stretch and people say "he hasnt had the support he needs". That's crap.

I didn't say anything about his wingers? I really don't care if Spezza stays or goes and I agreed with you to an extent until you started saying "Jumbo Joe" is better than Spezza. He just isn't.

To summarize, the Ottawa Senators have a better chance of winning with Spezza and an improved 2nd line than they do of winning without Spezza and the same 2nd line.

Yes, that's why he was pretty much a lock for Team Canada and Spezza wasnt even in the conversation.

The Sens will not win a cup with Spezza.

Michallica wrote:I really hope spezza hasn't thrown in the towel. We saw alot of his old self, but alot of a new spezza as well. I'd like to ride it out another year before I decide I want him traded....but I get the no-trade clause too. I'm still 'nay' to trade him. If he's not producing, he's attracting enough of the top defenders that allow others to score instead.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

N4L wrote:Except this year eh... or Alfi carrying the team in the finals... Spezza had all the support he could get coming from the 2nd line this year and he did absolutely nothing.

Spezza has had the luxury of playing with maybe the two best wingers in the game for a 4 year stretch and people say "he hasnt had the support he needs". That's crap.

Don't forget that in 2007 he had support and they made it to the Cup Finals.

Michallica wrote:

N4L wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

N4L wrote:Except this year eh... or Alfi carrying the team in the finals... Spezza had all the support he could get coming from the 2nd line this year and he did absolutely nothing.

Spezza has had the luxury of playing with maybe the two best wingers in the game for a 4 year stretch and people say "he hasnt had the support he needs". That's crap.

I didn't say anything about his wingers? I really don't care if Spezza stays or goes and I agreed with you to an extent until you started saying "Jumbo Joe" is better than Spezza. He just isn't.

To summarize, the Ottawa Senators have a better chance of winning with Spezza and an improved 2nd line than they do of winning without Spezza and the same 2nd line.

Yes, that's why he was pretty much a lock for Team Canada and Spezza wasnt even in the conversation.

The Sens will not win a cup with Spezza.

Phew. Thanks for telling me that. Now can you give me the lottery numbers for next week?

N4L wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

N4L wrote:Except this year eh... or Alfi carrying the team in the finals... Spezza had all the support he could get coming from the 2nd line this year and he did absolutely nothing.

Spezza has had the luxury of playing with maybe the two best wingers in the game for a 4 year stretch and people say "he hasnt had the support he needs". That's crap.

I didn't say anything about his wingers? I really don't care if Spezza stays or goes and I agreed with you to an extent until you started saying "Jumbo Joe" is better than Spezza. He just isn't.

To summarize, the Ottawa Senators have a better chance of winning with Spezza and an improved 2nd line than they do of winning without Spezza and the same 2nd line.

Yes, that's why he was pretty much a lock for Team Canada and Spezza wasnt even in the conversation.

The Sens will not win a cup with Spezza.

N4L wrote:

Michallica wrote:I really hope spezza hasn't thrown in the towel. We saw alot of his old self, but alot of a new spezza as well. I'd like to ride it out another year before I decide I want him traded....but I get the no-trade clause too. I'm still 'nay' to trade him. If he's not producing, he's attracting enough of the top defenders that allow others to score instead.

Ok is everyone just ignoring the fact that he could be an issue in the room and could actually hurt the development of young players with a poor attitude and work ethic?

Man, people just dont see beyond the points here do they. I get it because that is basically all Spezza has, a piece of paper with numbers on it.