Murray Appreciation Thread

marakh wrote:
Not sure about that. You mean he gets points when Chris Kelly decides to shoot?
Also, Vermette went a ton of games with points this year without Nash on the scoresheet, just saying^^.

SDH89 wrote:

marakh wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

marakh wrote:Seriously, where does this Vermette inconsistency comes from? WHen he was given the minutes he had 53 points. Hartsburg year is not debatable for any SEns player.

Oh, I don't agree at all. He's wildly inconsistent. He'll score 8 points in 2 games, then go scoreless for the next 8 games. That's how I remember Vermette playing, it frustrated the crap out of me.

Not sure about that. You mean he gets points when Chris Kelly decides to shoot?
Also, Vermette went a ton of games with points this year without Nash on the scoresheet, just saying^^.

I see your point but you can't fully blame Vermette's lack of production on Chris Kelly. Great players make their own shots as well, and it was something he wasn't doing enough here.

Big Ev wrote:3 more years? Murray is good at drafting and building a core, but we still need another GM to come in and tweak the team here and there to build a serious contender.

SpezDispenser wrote:

marakh wrote:
Not sure about that. You mean he gets points when Chris Kelly decides to shoot?
Also, Vermette went a ton of games with points this year without Nash on the scoresheet, just saying^^.

It's a tough arguement because I'd love to see what Vermette could do where Fisher is - and I support the fact that if Fisher had been more comfortable at wing, we could have had the neatest top six in the biz. But we didn't have that option, so I'm at least pleased with getting Lehner, who (to me) signifies a very bright future from the nets out for the Sens.

marakh wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

PKC wrote:
I need to temper expectations in here. Vermette's looking at a ~65 point season. We've got Leclaire, who was a resounding bust this year, and a kid who's still finding his way in junior hockey.

Maybe in a few years, or even possibly next year, we can look back on this trade and say "yeah, we did pretty good." But for now, it's obvious who won this trade. Whether he's getting paid $4 million or not, at least he's playing like it. Unlike the guy we're paying almost $4 million for.

I doubt you need to temper expectations with many people here. Vermette's a good player, I liked him a lot, but it's safe to say there was little to no room for him here. Nice 2nd line center to have, but when he plays 2nd line center, he'll get 50 points, when he's setting up Nash and co., he'll get 65, basically the exact same as Fisher without the size. Remember how wildly inconsistent Vermette was? No way we were going down that road again after Fisher. Leclaire was a nice idea, we had high hopes for him, he crashed and burned. Given the choice, I'd trade him if I could find someone to take him, but if not, you'll have to admit that once given proper playing time he could be something pretty interesting.

Lehner to me is the key to the deal though. I like his pedigree and I like his work ethic. And yes, I realize he's still a prospect, but again, his work ethic and motivating factors - his dad especially - make me think we got a huge winner.

I'd do this deal again tomorrow if prompted.

Fisher and Vermette are not the same players at all IMO.
Vermette is a real center, not someone who's gonna try to enter the zone and go passed 3 players without looking at who is available. He was tearing it up with Stillman, basically the only real solid guy he was given playtime with in 3 years.
The mojo in Ottawa was always to get Fisher going. Vermette never had his chance. He was given a good player for 3 games and was sent back with Chris Kelly. TBH I still don't see what make Fisher a center. His playmaking is basically non existant, and when Kovalev is not playing well, he's anemic offensively.
Vermette was a good player whose contract year was just at the worst time for the Sens.

Seriously, where does this Vermette inconsistency comes from? WHen he was given the minutes he had 53 points. Hartsburg year is not debatable for any SEns player.

EDIT: You guys are frustrated with Vermette because Kelly and NEil have 0 finish. Vermette has a very good vision of the game and is a very good passer.
He is putting points this year because his wingers can hit the net. He has more poitns than Nash for God's sakes. Again, go back to the Stillman/Vermette months.

SeawaySensFan wrote:
Better at wing? Probably. Obviously, he just doesn't want to play there. Vermette's gone now, but I bet you'd like to see what Cullen could do with that 2nd line Center spot?

Ain't gonna happen. That's the problem.

RobbyJ wrote:

marakh wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

PKC wrote:
I need to temper expectations in here. Vermette's looking at a ~65 point season. We've got Leclaire, who was a resounding bust this year, and a kid who's still finding his way in junior hockey.

Maybe in a few years, or even possibly next year, we can look back on this trade and say "yeah, we did pretty good." But for now, it's obvious who won this trade. Whether he's getting paid $4 million or not, at least he's playing like it. Unlike the guy we're paying almost $4 million for.

I doubt you need to temper expectations with many people here. Vermette's a good player, I liked him a lot, but it's safe to say there was little to no room for him here. Nice 2nd line center to have, but when he plays 2nd line center, he'll get 50 points, when he's setting up Nash and co., he'll get 65, basically the exact same as Fisher without the size. Remember how wildly inconsistent Vermette was? No way we were going down that road again after Fisher. Leclaire was a nice idea, we had high hopes for him, he crashed and burned. Given the choice, I'd trade him if I could find someone to take him, but if not, you'll have to admit that once given proper playing time he could be something pretty interesting.

Lehner to me is the key to the deal though. I like his pedigree and I like his work ethic. And yes, I realize he's still a prospect, but again, his work ethic and motivating factors - his dad especially - make me think we got a huge winner.

I'd do this deal again tomorrow if prompted.

Fisher and Vermette are not the same players at all IMO.
Vermette is a real center, not someone who's gonna try to enter the zone and go passed 3 players without looking at who is available. He was tearing it up with Stillman, basically the only real solid guy he was given playtime with in 3 years.
The mojo in Ottawa was always to get Fisher going. Vermette never had his chance. He was given a good player for 3 games and was sent back with Chris Kelly. TBH I still don't see what make Fisher a center. His playmaking is basically non existant, and when Kovalev is not playing well, he's anemic offensively.
Vermette was a good player whose contract year was just at the worst time for the Sens.

Seriously, where does this Vermette inconsistency comes from? WHen he was given the minutes he had 53 points. Hartsburg year is not debatable for any SEns player.

EDIT: You guys are frustrated with Vermette because Kelly and NEil have 0 finish. Vermette has a very good vision of the game and is a very good passer.
He is putting points this year because his wingers can hit the net. He has more poitns than Nash for God's sakes. Again, go back to the Stillman/Vermette months.

Exactly who did we have on the wing to play with either Fisher or Vermette. You make it sound like Fisher was actually playing with some skill.