Andy Sutton to Ottawa!

Cap'n Clutch wrote:In case it hasn't been said:

Sutton and Cullen are the new Commodore and Stillman. I let SSF come up with blank = blank formula here to best describe this.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:In case it hasn't been said:

Sutton and Cullen are the new Commodore and Stillman. I let SSF come up with blank = blank formula here to best describe this.

Commodore was our best D in that short playoff run and they were trying to force Stillman to play with a struggling Mike Fisher. They're trying the same formula with Cullen right now and we're seeing the results.

The biggest need from Day One, as I saw it, is a LW. Cullen is not a LW. He should be the 2nd line Center with a real LW with Fisher in the 3rd spot and Kelly traded. Sorry but that's the way I see it.

hemlock wrote:
I did name you 3. Now I have to cite more examples using your stipulations?

I clearly showed that not all teams who make big splashes at the deadline are fading as you said. In any event, I am not arguing with you about good teams making minor tweaks, and I'd agree with you that "organizations who who tear their team apart to make the big move almost never win". But it's not always the case as I said.

My original point, the one you responded to, is that Sutton and Cullen are depth moves, so I don't quite understand what you are hoping to "prove" here.

cloverleaf wrote:Andy Sutton's playoff career since the age of 16
10 games of playoff experience to draw from
His team has 1 win and 9 losses in those 10 playoff games.
10 GP, 0G, 1A, -7, 35 PIM

Awesome, what a proven winner. 35 penalty minutes in 10 playoff games. He will be a huge help.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

cloverleaf wrote:Andy Sutton's playoff career since the age of 16
10 games of playoff experience to draw from
His team has 1 win and 9 losses in those 10 playoff games.
10 GP, 0G, 1A, -7, 35 PIM

Awesome, what a proven winner. 35 penalty minutes in 10 playoff games. He will be a huge help.

you can't really judge how a player will look on a different team until he plays on that team.

cloverleaf wrote:Andy Sutton's playoff career since the age of 16
10 games of playoff experience to draw from
His team has 1 win and 9 losses in those 10 playoff games.
10 GP, 0G, 1A, -7, 35 PIM

Awesome, what a proven winner. 35 penalty minutes in 10 playoff games. He will be a huge help.

cloverleaf wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

cloverleaf wrote:Andy Sutton's playoff career since the age of 16
10 games of playoff experience to draw from
His team has 1 win and 9 losses in those 10 playoff games.
10 GP, 0G, 1A, -7, 35 PIM

Awesome, what a proven winner. 35 penalty minutes in 10 playoff games. He will be a huge help.

you can't really judge how a player will look on a different team until he plays on that team.

Cheechoo anyone? Of course you can, all you have to do is watch their play recently. i really have nothing more to say and dont need to beat a dead horse, you will form your own opinion and i have no doubt it will match mine soon enough.

Devo wrote:

cloverleaf wrote:Andy Sutton's playoff career since the age of 16
10 games of playoff experience to draw from
His team has 1 win and 9 losses in those 10 playoff games.
10 GP, 0G, 1A, -7, 35 PIM

Awesome, what a proven winner. 35 penalty minutes in 10 playoff games. He will be a huge help.

Big Freaking deal....

Kovalchuk's playoff numbers

8 GP 1 G 2 A 19 PIMS...

I guess you're saying that making a move for him is a waste as well?

I would still love to see one of you Einsteins provide a list of players and REALISTIC trades you would be willing to do. Not once have any of you nay sayers provided alternatives (well Hemlock did, but apparently Grebeshkov was the answer to our prayers)

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

Devo wrote:

cloverleaf wrote:Andy Sutton's playoff career since the age of 16
10 games of playoff experience to draw from
His team has 1 win and 9 losses in those 10 playoff games.
10 GP, 0G, 1A, -7, 35 PIM

Awesome, what a proven winner. 35 penalty minutes in 10 playoff games. He will be a huge help.

Big Freaking deal....

Kovalchuk's playoff numbers

8 GP 1 G 2 A 19 PIMS...

I guess you're saying that making a move for him is a waste as well?

I would still love to see one of you Einsteins provide a list of players and REALISTIC trades you would be willing to do. Not once have any of you nay sayers provided alternatives (well Hemlock did, but apparently Grebeshkov was the answer to our prayers)

For me it's managing expectations. Ever since Murray came here he was billed as a big splash kind of guy making big moves on D-day and the Draft. He was able to do this on other teams. Why is it he is unable to do this in Ottawa.

Don't tell me to come up with options because Murray was able to figure it out everywhere he's been but here.

TheAvatar wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

Devo wrote:

cloverleaf wrote:Andy Sutton's playoff career since the age of 16
10 games of playoff experience to draw from
His team has 1 win and 9 losses in those 10 playoff games.
10 GP, 0G, 1A, -7, 35 PIM

Awesome, what a proven winner. 35 penalty minutes in 10 playoff games. He will be a huge help.

Big Freaking deal....

Kovalchuk's playoff numbers

8 GP 1 G 2 A 19 PIMS...

I guess you're saying that making a move for him is a waste as well?

I would still love to see one of you Einsteins provide a list of players and REALISTIC trades you would be willing to do. Not once have any of you nay sayers provided alternatives (well Hemlock did, but apparently Grebeshkov was the answer to our prayers)

For me it's managing expectations. Ever since Murray came here he was billed as a big splash kind of guy making big moves on D-day and the Draft. He was able to do this on other teams. Why is it he is unable to do this in Ottawa.

Don't tell me to come up with options because Murray was able to figure it out everywhere he's been but here.

By other people. Murray is trying to do what's best for the organization; not please the founders GMHockey or Hockeybuzz so we can draw more traffic

SpezDispenser wrote:He can't get here quickly enough after Brian 'Soft as butter' Lee last night, and Anton "6 years mother diddlers!" Volchenkov sucked soooo hard.

HM to Matt "I really don't suck often" Carkner.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Sutton will be replacing Kuba so we get to enjoy more of butter boy.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Sutton will be replacing Kuba so we get to enjoy more of butter boy.

How long is Kuba out?

Devo wrote:

cloverleaf wrote:Andy Sutton's playoff career since the age of 16
10 games of playoff experience to draw from
His team has 1 win and 9 losses in those 10 playoff games.
10 GP, 0G, 1A, -7, 35 PIM

Awesome, what a proven winner. 35 penalty minutes in 10 playoff games. He will be a huge help.

Big Freaking deal....

Kovalchuk's playoff numbers

8 GP 1 G 2 A 19 PIMS...

I guess you're saying that making a move for him is a waste as well?