Team Canada Roster Debate

No Doughty?

asq2 wrote:No Doughty?

Diddle, I forgot him too I think. There's too many D-men, what the heck is gonna happen. Wait for injuries I guess.

asq2 wrote:No Doughty?

Not for me, in my opinion it's more a factor of you leave out in favour of him. He can ride the taxi, but let's be honest- each one of my top 6 Dmen are far more capable than Doughty. Plus, he'll have his time for Olympics- he's very young and I'm not sure World Jr. experience can translate to Olympics.

Except in Toews case. I can't think of a higher pressure situation than that shootout vs. USA when he really came through. That was one of my favourite team canada moments of all time.

asq2 wrote:No Doughty?

Who would you take out? Phaneuf I guess?

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

asq2 wrote:No Doughty?

Who would you take out? Phaneuf I guess?

I think they should go with who is playing better right now. Doughty I believe is completely outplaying Phaneuf.

Am I the only one that is going to have a very hard time cheering for the team? I can't cheer for any team with Heatley on it, the wound is still way too fresh. It will be very hard for me. I know you're not supposed to cheer for players and all, but still.

Jordo wrote:

asq2 wrote:No Doughty?

Not for me, in my opinion it's more a factor of you leave out in favour of him. He can ride the taxi, but let's be honest- each one of my top 6 Dmen are far more capable than Doughty. Plus, he'll have his time for Olympics- he's very young and I'm not sure World Jr. experience can translate to Olympics.

Except in Toews case. I can't think of a higher pressure situation than that shootout vs. USA when he really came through. That was one of my favourite team canada moments of all time.

Doughty is better than both Green and Phaneuf. Kings fans are also always talking about how clutch he is, too. They say they'd rather have the puck on his stick when down in the last few seconds of a game than on Brown's or Kopitars.

Also, he's got experience from the World Championships as well as World Juniors.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

asq2 wrote:No Doughty?

Who would you take out? Phaneuf I guess?

I seriously don't think Phaneuf has a shot at TC. None.

Instead, you have to take one of these guys out:

1.Neidermayer
2.Pronger
3.Weber
4.Keith
5.Boyle
6.Seabrook
7.Bouwmeester
8.Green

If I was doing this, I'd take out Bouwmeester and put Doughty in. Green would get bumped off the taxi squad.

Unfortunately, it also means the end of a Seabrook - Keith pairing - and they're money together.

Dash wrote:But he has dual citizenship, like Foligno. He chose the U.S.

A lot of these guys were born or raised in the US while their father was playing pro there. And in the case of Heatley, Germany.

You can choose to play for any country in which you hold a passport in, but you may only play for that one country.

I knew that Seeing Brad Richards at the top of the scoring race for 3 straight weeks got this thread rolling. I narrowed the search of scorers to Canadians and there was Stastny's name NHL.com

SpezDispenser wrote:Nice Gohan, it's time to do this - and I need to take a quick break here at work, so, yeah, good times...

Remember: this is MY OPINION.

Marleau - Thornton - Heatley
Nash - Crosby - Iginla
Perry - Getzlaf - St.Louis
Morrow - Fisher - Doan

Taxi Squad for forwards:
Richards
Lecavallier

Niedermayer-Pronger,
Seabrook-Keith,
Weber-Boyle

Taxi Squad:
Bouwmeester
Green

Goalies:
Luongo
Brodeur
Fleury

I like it. Only a few points of contention: I really don't see how they can leave either Richards off the team...I like your 3rd line, but I'm thinking Marleau gets the shaft and that means the non-Crosby/non-4th lines will get shuffled. Also, I wouldn't give Doan the nod. It's gotta be Mike Richards as the 4th line center. I don't care what he's done this year, he's had that spot labelled for two years. Fisher can move to the wing or Smyth (if healthy) can fill that last spot. As I think the taxi squad will be young guys, I doubt Lecavalier is in there anywhere. I'd imagine Toews or Stamkos would be taxi.

On D, Weber is 1A. There's no 3rd pairing there....Pronger will be lucky to see the 3rd pairing. I think he'll be there on reputation, not on merit. And I still can't see Green getting left off, just based on his numbers...He has more points than anyone on your 4th line It could happen, but I wouldn't bet on it. Seems like Seabrook might get the bump to the taxi squad or scratchzi squad. I'm betting on Doughty being a cab driver.

Can't argue with the goaltending.

According to the Olympic Power Ratings, Fisher is ranked the second best Canadian Centre.....

http://www.ctvolympics.ca/hockey/news/newsid=22990.html?cid=rsstsn

shabbs wrote:

Dash wrote:But he has dual citizenship, like Foligno. He chose the U.S.

A lot of these guys were born or raised in the US while their father was playing pro there. And in the case of Heatley, Germany.

You can choose to play for any country in which you hold a passport in, but you may only play for that one country.

Yeah, he's chosen to play for the US twice before... so he'd likely continue that trend.

I'm 90% sure that once you've played for a team internationally, thats the team you play for. He can't pick and choose.

Im pretty sure you have to go through the IIHF to do that. Nabokov had to in order to play for Russia after previously playing for Kazakhstan

Man this is tough... you want Canada to succeed and so the obvious choice is to take a lot of guys who have done this before... but you also want to take guys who will be doing this for the next 16 years.

The Vets you need or at least need to strongly consider:
Shane Doan
Ryan Smyth
Dan Boyle
Scott Neidermayer
Chris Pronger
Martin St. Louis
Jarome Iginla
Martin Brodeur

then you got the slightly younger core...
Brenden Morrow
Dany Heatley
Brad Richards
Vincent Lecavalier
Mike Fisher
Joe Thornton
Roberto Luongo

then the "young guys"
Rick Nash
Mike Richards
Jeff Carter
Ryan Getzlaf
Eric Staal
Sidney Crosby
Jonathan Toews
Shea Weber
Dion Phaneuf
Brent Burns
Mike Green
Duncan Keith
Brent Seabrooke
Drew Doughty
Jay Bouwmeester
Marc-Andre Fleury
Cam Ward
Steve Mason

Then you have to consider "what have they done lately", so a few names would be scratched off the list.

I don't envy Yzerman and Co.'s jobs right now lol.

Gohan wrote:

shabbs wrote:

Dash wrote:But he has dual citizenship, like Foligno. He chose the U.S.

A lot of these guys were born or raised in the US while their father was playing pro there. And in the case of Heatley, Germany.

You can choose to play for any country in which you hold a passport in, but you may only play for that one country.

Yeah, he's chosen to play for the US twice before... so he'd likely continue that trend.

I'm 90% sure that once you've played for a team internationally, thats the team you play for. He can't pick and choose.

I am slightly more confident that it is true also.

Here you go:

http://www.iihf.com/channels/iihf-world-championship-oc09/home/iihf-eligibility.html

IIHF Eligibility

To play in the IIHF World Championship, the Olympic ice hockey tournament and the qualifications to these competitions, players must fulfill the following qualification requirements: Each player must be under the jurisdiction of an IIHF member national association. Each player must be a citizen of the country he represents. Acquiring a new national eligibility (The ‘two-year’ case) When a player has changed his citizenship or has acquired another citizenship and wants to participate for the first time in an IIHF competition representing his new country he must: Prove that he has participated for at least two consecutive years in the national competitions of his new country during which period he has neither transferred to another country nor played ice hockey within any other country. Have an international transfer card (ITC) that shows the transfer to the national competition of his new country and which was approved and dated at least two years before the start of the IIHF competition in which he wishes to participate. Change of national eligibility (The ‘four-year’ case) A player, who has previously participated in IIHF competition, can switch national eligibility (but only once in a player's life) if: He is a citizen of the new country of his choice He has participated for at least four consecutive years in the national competitions of his new country, during which period he has neither transferred to another country nor played ice hockey within any other country and has not played for his previous country in an IIHF competition during this four year period. He has an international transfer card (ITC) that shows the transfer to the national competition of his new country and which was approved and dated at least four years before the start of the IIHF competition in which he wishes to participate.

Dash wrote:
then the "young guys"
Rick Nash
Mike Richards
Jeff Carter
Ryan Getzlaf
Eric Staal
Sidney Crosby
Jonathan Toews
Shea Weber
Dion Phaneuf
Brent Burns
Mike Green
Duncan Keith
Brent Seabrooke
Drew Doughty
Jay Bouwmeester
Marc-Andre Fleury
Cam Ward
Steve Mason

Imo this is where the discussion takes place---not to say that all the others are somehow locks....

If I can only pick six from "the young guys" that I would expect to play for Team Canada at every Olympics for the rest of their careers (thus forming the core for the next 2-3) there's little doubt in my mind that it is these 6:

Nash-Crosby-Richards
Doughty-Weber
Fleury

You can make a case for each player listed in the quote being a full fledged member of the 2014 team and not many people would disagree. But when it comes to the ones that I want on my team more than the rest, those are the 6.

So you can switch, but the restrictions are extensive. Good to know. Thanks Dash.