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Latest Sens/Hawks Rumour: solid or smokescreen?

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Kovalfie wrote:
I agree. Cam Barker to Ottawa doesn't make a whole lot of sense unless Ottawa knows Volchenkov has priced himself out of their budget. Even then, with Ottawa's defensive depth it doesn't make sense to pay someone $3.1 million for something we can get for a lot cheaper (Lee, Picard and Karlsson) and without giving up assets. I realize Barker is more reliable, in terms of experience, than either of the aforementioned players and his potential is huge, but financially-speaking it doesn't make sense to have Phillips, Volchenkov, Kuba, and Barker on your blue-line with Campoli, Karlsson, Lee, Cowen, and Carkner all fighting for the 5-6 spots next year. To me, Karlsson is a shoe-in for next year, and if Lee keeps his play up (and the fact that he's on a contract year), I'd expect to see these two as full-timers next year. Carkner has so far been a steal and will also stay in the mix meaning Ottawa may have to consider trading Volchenkov, Phillips, Lee or Kuba to make appropriate room. Sens should be using one of Campoli or Picard as trade-bait with one of Shannon or Kelly and/or SJS 2nd to get a legit top-six. Names that come to mind in Chicago are Sharp and Versteeg.

Or not at all if the price is too high right now.

The 'idea' is good: try to get one of the Hawks talented players at a time where they seemingly need to get rid of one, but the player isn't exactly what I had in mind. He's good and he'd be good here, but he's not the number one D-man this team should be looking into acquiring. At the same time, I don't really feel this is the typical 'quick fix', I also don't feel like it would cure many long term issues.

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you're thinking BC aren't you?

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Kovalfie wrote:you're thinking BC aren't you?

Yeah, he'd be a difference maker of the highest accord. I'm still not sold on this team dumping 7 million dollars into a guy like Campbell - it'll create massive issues going forward cap-wise - but this would be the big guy to have to help Karlsson along and to make him almost immediately productive. And that productiveness will lead to confidence etc. etc. etc.

I just do NOT see how we could clear the room next year for this kind of deal. Buying out Cheechoo, trading Kelly. The list would go on and on.

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any updates on this deal? Latest Sens/Hawks Rumour: solid or smokescreen? - Page 7 235689 Latest Sens/Hawks Rumour: solid or smokescreen? - Page 7 805406

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SpezDispenser wrote:
Kovalfie wrote:you're thinking BC aren't you?

Yeah, he'd be a difference maker of the highest accord. I'm still not sold on this team dumping 7 million dollars into a guy like Campbell - it'll create massive issues going forward cap-wise - but this would be the big guy to have to help Karlsson along and to make him almost immediately productive. And that productiveness will lead to confidence etc. etc. etc.

I just do NOT see how we could clear the room next year for this kind of deal. Buying out Cheechoo, trading Kelly. The list would go on and on.

It's definitely doable... but I don't think it's a good idea.

Assuming the trade is something like Kelly, Lee, and SJS 2nd for Campbell (which I think is too high considering Chicago is at a definite point of weakness right now and this trade doesn't necessarily have to be made by Ottawa), you'd have to trade Shannon and Volchenkov for a top-six forward, not qualify Picard and Campoli, let Donovan walk, and may have to trade an RFA like Foligno and run with Phillips, Campbell, Kuba, Karlsson, Carkner and Cowen as you're blue-line. Like I said, it's possible but the price tag is way too hefty IMO

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Friends don't let friends acquire Campbell.

You'd have to kiss Volchenkov goodbye, for one. BC's money is so bad it may result in being forced to part with a Karlsson or Cowen, too. I mean, look at Chicago's situation.

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asq2 wrote:Friends don't let friends acquire Campbell.

You'd have to kiss Volchenkov goodbye, for one. BC's money is so bad it may result in being forced to part with a Karlsson or Cowen, too. I mean, look at Chicago's situation.

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The Leafs and Isles have been mentioned in the Chicago rumors - maybe Vesa to the Hawks and the other was DiPietro possibly, or one of the other 2, Biron or Rolie.

Again, don't get your hopes up, if you have any, of getting Campbell, Seabrooke, Barker or Keith. The guy that you are likely going to get, because he is expedable due to stats and cost, is Sopel. He's not cheap, but he's not expensive, and he certainly doesn't figure into the 'Hawks top 4. He's a guy that has been around the league, is good at being a PP QB, is a RH shot, and certainly is available. Teams can ask all they want about the other guys, but unless you're giving up a cheap top 4 d-man, top 6 forward, #1 goalie, or a 1st or two, and some high end prosepcts, they won't listen.

Give your heads a shake if you think there's any possibility of landing Barker unless you're giving up Karlsson, Cowen, Wiercicoh plus much more.

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Dash wrote:Give your heads a shake if you think there's any possibility of landing Barker unless you're giving up Karlsson, Cowen, Wiercicoh plus much more.

Whoa, let's not get ahead of ourselves here. The Sharks just gave up Ehrhoff and Lukowich for nothing, and you think Barker, a guy earning too much money, on a team that everyone knows is in a tight cap position, who is porous defensively, can get anywhere close to that?

Barker's not even in Chicago's top-4.

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asq2 wrote:Friends don't let friends acquire Campbell.

You'd have to kiss Volchenkov goodbye, for one. BC's money is so bad it may result in being forced to part with a Karlsson or Cowen, too. I mean, look at Chicago's situation.
Latest Sens/Hawks Rumour: solid or smokescreen? - Page 7 270956 I agree. Imagine losing one of those two because there was an a stop-gap 7million taking up cap space.

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asq2 wrote:
Dash wrote:Give your heads a shake if you think there's any possibility of landing Barker unless you're giving up Karlsson, Cowen, Wiercicoh plus much more.

Whoa, let's not get ahead of ourselves here. The Sharks just gave up Ehrhoff and Lukowich for nothing, and you think Barker, a guy earning too much money, on a team that everyone knows is in a tight cap position, who is porous defensively, can get anywhere close to that?

Barker's not even in Chicago's top-4.

I guess we will see then won't we.

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Yup.

Although Karlsson or Cowen plus much more might be a better return than what Heatley got.

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Dash wrote:
I guess we will see then won't we.

I agree with you in principal, I would be surprised if the Hawks gave up Barker now, when they could easily waive/trade Sopel.

However, there's zero chance Barker would cost Karlsson, Cowen or Wiercioch IMO. Let alone anything more than that. If the Hawks had a chance to trade Barker for one of those three, I think they'd do it right away. They clear the cap space and get a replacement who has a (decent) chance of being a better D-man.

I think the market value is what's being discussed. Shannon, Picard and SJ's 2nd rounded. Which is not great for us considering he comes with a 3.1 million cap hit price tag.

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I may have overvalued Barker. I figured his stats were better than what they are.

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He's got value because of where he was picked and because of his age and because he's somewhat proven offensively.

He loses value because of his money, his defence and Chicago's cap situation.

EDIT: And his size is largely wasted, from what I've seen.

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Cap'n Clutch wrote:I just liked calling him Uh Oh!

It was so catchy that CheapShots recycled it to shart on Meszaros. So I see your point there.

That hack is so bad, when he coins a phrase that seems to catch on, he likes to get as much mileage out of it as possible.

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ddt wrote:
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Cap'n Clutch wrote:I just liked calling him Uh Oh!

It was so catchy that CheapShots recycled it to shart on Meszaros. So I see your point there.

That hack is so bad, when he coins a phrase that seems to catch on, he likes to get as much mileage out of it as possible.

He's an utter piece of Dung. Smile

Any updates on the Hawks deal? Latest Sens/Hawks Rumour: solid or smokescreen? - Page 7 235689Latest Sens/Hawks Rumour: solid or smokescreen? - Page 7 805406

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SeawaySensFan wrote:
ddt wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:
Cap'n Clutch wrote:I just liked calling him Uh Oh!

It was so catchy that CheapShots recycled it to shart on Meszaros. So I see your point there.

That hack is so bad, when he coins a phrase that seems to catch on, he likes to get as much mileage out of it as possible.

He's an utter piece of Dung. Smile

Any updates on the Hawks deal? Latest Sens/Hawks Rumour: solid or smokescreen? - Page 7 235689Latest Sens/Hawks Rumour: solid or smokescreen? - Page 7 805406

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