UPDATE: Heatley for Cheechoo, Michalek DONE...and the aftermath

I just talked to Dawg...he thinks it's great. Well sort of.

He's afraid of how much of a turn around LA may make this year with a better Defense and better leadership with marleau and Smyth on their team.

He said SJ has basically signed another first round exit. Guess in Chicago the opinion is that Heatley is venom and will destroy any team he plays for.

You put Stoll with Alfredsson and he becomes a 2nd line center. We keep FFS and Frolov on line one with Kovalev and Spezza. You tell me that`s not a top 4 offense in the East?

N4L wrote:

Tuk Tuk wrote:If this is true, Murray better be fired.

Bud shut up, you dont even know what you're talking about.

We gave up one of the best snipers in the NHL for 1 season of Frolov, and a useless player in Boll.

Why not let some of the season be played, get Heatley to keep his mouth shut, and raise his value back to where we get something respectable.

cas wrote:

davetherave wrote:

M_Christopher wrote:Someone has to waive their NMC still. Unconfirmed which of the two has to still waive (or both).

San Jose is not a big commute from LA...Marleau has said his biggest concern is his family who are very comfortable there.

Assuming this intel is bona fide, the Kings would probably pull out all the stops to make Marleau and his family happy. A nice house in Beverly Hills or Malibu helps.

It can't be Marleau who's being waited on...They couldn't possibly be that stupid to not verify his willingness prior to consumating this deal.

If it is Heatley, this is done. If its Marleau, I'm worried and a little embarassed.

@Cas> I am following James Mirtle's Tweets right now...he says that some numbers are being verified to make sure it all works capwise.

Tuk Tuk wrote:

N4L wrote:

Tuk Tuk wrote:If this is true, Murray better be fired.

Bud shut up, you dont even know what you're talking about.

We gave up one of the best snipers in the NHL for 1 season of Frolov, and a useless player in Boll.

Why not let some of the season be played, get Heatley to keep his mouth shut, and raise his value back to where we get something respectable.

Who is more important, the fans in Ottawa and the team, or Heatley?

If he resigns Frolov Ottawa got the best player and a solid 2nd line center in Stoll.

N4L wrote:I think the Kings get the best player by far here and hopefully can resign Marleau.

SJ just went from top notch team to middle of the pack with this deal.

settle down Neely...they still have Thornton, Boyle, Seto, Pavelski, Clowe, Blake, Nabi, Vlasic...they aren't middle of the pack, especially when adding a 50 goal scorer to a line with what, at this moment, amounts to the best playmaker in the game

Tuk Tuk wrote:

N4L wrote:

Tuk Tuk wrote:If this is true, Murray better be fired.

Bud shut up, you dont even know what you're talking about.

We gave up one of the best snipers in the NHL for 1 season of Frolov, and a useless player in Boll.

Why not let some of the season be played, get Heatley to keep his mouth shut, and raise his value back to where we get something respectable.

The situation is a freaking mess man, At this point a good group cohesion is more important than 50 goals. I think what we need to do is watch those 3 games against the Islanders last year and realize Skill only gets you that far.
It`s not about getting fair value anymore, it's about going in the right direction going forward.

I would still think there has to be a prospect or pick coming back from San Jose.

Dawg's Wife wrote:I just talked to Dawg...he thinks it's great. Well sort of.

He's afraid of how much of a turn around LA may make this year with a better Defense and better leadership with marleau and Smyth on their team.

He said SJ has basically signed another first round exit. Guess in Chicago the opinion is that Heatley is venom and will destroy any team he plays for.

Heatley for Kane, Keith and Aliu!!!!!!!! Done deal!!!!!!!!!!!

davetherave wrote:

cas wrote:

davetherave wrote:

M_Christopher wrote:Someone has to waive their NMC still. Unconfirmed which of the two has to still waive (or both).

San Jose is not a big commute from LA...Marleau has said his biggest concern is his family who are very comfortable there.

Assuming this intel is bona fide, the Kings would probably pull out all the stops to make Marleau and his family happy. A nice house in Beverly Hills or Malibu helps.

It can't be Marleau who's being waited on...They couldn't possibly be that stupid to not verify his willingness prior to consumating this deal.

If it is Heatley, this is done. If its Marleau, I'm worried and a little embarassed.

@Cas> I am following James Mirtle's Tweets right now...he says that some numbers are being verified to make sure it all works capwise.

Any word on additional assets i.e. picks, prospects??

cas wrote:

N4L wrote:I think the Kings get the best player by far here and hopefully can resign Marleau.

SJ just went from top notch team to middle of the pack with this deal.

settle down Neely...they still have Thornton, Boyle, Seto, Pavelski, Clowe, Blake, Nabi, Vlasic...they aren't middle of the pack, especially when adding a 50 goal scorer to a line with what, at this moment, amounts to the best playmaker in the game

If any of the Sharks forwards get within 10 feet of the net come playoff time, Ill send you a check for 1000 dollars. not really, but still.

@Cas> nothing yet...BTW ESPN has headline saying BM denies deal done...

marakh wrote:

Tuk Tuk wrote:

N4L wrote:

Tuk Tuk wrote:If this is true, Murray better be fired.

Bud shut up, you dont even know what you're talking about.

We gave up one of the best snipers in the NHL for 1 season of Frolov, and a useless player in Boll.

Why not let some of the season be played, get Heatley to keep his mouth shut, and raise his value back to where we get something respectable.

The situation is a freaking mess man, At this point a good group cohesion is more important than 50 goals. I think what we need to do is watch those 3 games against the Islanders last year and realize Skill only gets you that far.
It`s not about getting fair value anymore, it's about going in the right direction going forward.

Thats exactly right. This, as it stands, is a win for the Sens.

We should at least be able to dump Kelly in this deal. We have next to no need for him if we're getting Stoll. If you can do that and sign Sykora, we might come out of this improved.

I'd still much rather see either a top-notch defenceman come back or a top-notch young forward or forward prospect.

This is a good deal for Ottawa, I dont mind it one bit. A bit desperate, but that's exactly what Murray and The Sens were. No one wanted him there.

N4L wrote:

cas wrote:

N4L wrote:I think the Kings get the best player by far here and hopefully can resign Marleau.

SJ just went from top notch team to middle of the pack with this deal.

settle down Neely...they still have Thornton, Boyle, Seto, Pavelski, Clowe, Blake, Nabi, Vlasic...they aren't middle of the pack, especially when adding a 50 goal scorer to a line with what, at this moment, amounts to the best playmaker in the game

If any of the Sharks forwards get within 10 feet of the net come playoff time, Ill send you a check for 1000 dollars. not really, but still.

haha I'm pretty sure they'll do alright in the regular season... I'll wait until at least February before I start realistically talking playoffs.

In fact, this year, I'll wait until post Olympics before I start making playoff predictions

asq2 wrote:We should at least be able to dump Kelly in this deal. We have next to no need for him if we're getting Stoll. If you can do that and sign Sykora, we might come out of this improved.

I'd still much rather see either a top-notch defenceman come back or a top-notch young forward or forward prospect.

Prob have to see after camp... Murray can actually do his job now.

IF this is true, we should all be happy.

If Frolov were playing for a higher profile team, he would be held in much higher regard. He's a big guy (6-4, 210) and he can put the puck in the net. His totals from the last four seasons;

05-06: 21
06-07: 35
07-08: 23
08-09: 32

And that's playing for a poor LA team. Put him on a line with Spezz and Kovy and there's no reason why he can't put up another 35-40.
I agree, the contract is an issue, but I have faith in what Murray is doing, and feel confident that we can get him signed in the 4.5-5 range long term (-5 years).