Bryan Murray Vs Dany Heatley: Who Blinks First?

There's a glimmer of a chance that something goes down today, but that list of 4 teams initially kicking tires is now down to 1 (LA). So, in all likelihood, Heatley will not be moved any time soon. Some observations:

1. Edmonton is being screwed over big-time. In a way I feel sorry for them because they are now left without that "start" they were looking for, and Cogliano and Smid know what the organization *really* thinks of them. I figure Penner already knew. And this whole thing just confirms that no-one (except aging goalies) wants to go to Edmonton.

2. Yep, 15 is the new 19. They should retire that number for a little while. I'm not suggesting lifting it up to the rafters, unless they set it on fire first. The Sens got royally screwed over, I'm just waiting to hear Burke remind us all how he does not give out NTC/NMCc as a general rule, so I'll just tell him to shove it in advance.

3. The organization has to remain professional about this. Giving him 4 minutes a night on the 4th line would be spiteful, and not a good example to show other UFAs. They should, however, try to go to the league and the NHLPA and see if anything can be done through those channels.

4. A request to be traded should automatically void any NMC/NTC clause, especially if the request is made public. At the very least there should be som censure to Heatley or his agents over this. At the very worst someone should lose their license, or Heatley's membership in the NHLPA should be suspended. Not sure what this would even mean, but if any legal action is sought against him, the NHLPA would not hire a lawyer to represent him.

5. Any guesses how many games Gaborik plays this year, or how long it will take before his groin puts him back on the sidelines? He's turning 28 in February, so it's not like his tendons are getting more stretchy.

wprager wrote:There's a glimmer of a chance that something goes down today, but that list of 4 teams initially kicking tires is now down to 1 (LA). So, in all likelihood, Heatley will not be moved any time soon. Some observations:

1. Edmonton is being screwed over big-time. In a way I feel sorry for them because they are now left without that "start" they were looking for, and Cogliano and Smid know what the organization *really* thinks of them. I figure Penner already knew. And this whole thing just confirms that no-one (except aging goalies) wants to go to Edmonton.

2. Yep, 15 is the new 19. They should retire that number for a little while. I'm not suggesting lifting it up to the rafters, unless they set it on fire first. The Sens got royally screwed over, I'm just waiting to hear Burke remind us all how he does not give out NTC/NMCc as a general rule, so I'll just tell him to shove it in advance.

3. The organization has to remain professional about this. Giving him 4 minutes a night on the 4th line would be spiteful, and not a good example to show other UFAs. They should, however, try to go to the league and the NHLPA and see if anything can be done through those channels.

4. A request to be traded should automatically void any NMC/NTC clause, especially if the request is made public. At the very least there should be som censure to Heatley or his agents over this. At the very worst someone should lose their license, or Heatley's membership in the NHLPA should be suspended. Not sure what this would even mean, but if any legal action is sought against him, the NHLPA would not hire a lawyer to represent him.

5. Any guesses how many games Gaborik plays this year, or how long it will take before his groin puts him back on the sidelines? He's turning 28 in February, so it's not like his tendons are getting more stretchy.

we can only hope LA takes pity on us, but you can be guaranteed it will not be a deal we like, not like the sexy one we wanted before the draft, Frolov, Teubert/hickey and their 5th. Well obviously the 5th is off the table unless they are open to dealing Schenn (I think not, this guy has been labeled as future captain material by scouts), Frolov, they may still deal if they are overly unhappy with him (I don't think they are though), so we may get Teubert or Hickey, but probably not much else and would have to take some sort of cap hit in return (probably JJ). We all can still hope for Dustin Brown, but the reality of it now is, the only deal Murray gets done is not going to be a hockey deal, it's going to be Ottawa getting fleeced. I wish Mike Milbury was still a GM somewhere.

SensFan71 wrote:

wprager wrote:There's a glimmer of a chance that something goes down today, but that list of 4 teams initially kicking tires is now down to 1 (LA). So, in all likelihood, Heatley will not be moved any time soon. Some observations:

1. Edmonton is being screwed over big-time. In a way I feel sorry for them because they are now left without that "start" they were looking for, and Cogliano and Smid know what the organization *really* thinks of them. I figure Penner already knew. And this whole thing just confirms that no-one (except aging goalies) wants to go to Edmonton.

2. Yep, 15 is the new 19. They should retire that number for a little while. I'm not suggesting lifting it up to the rafters, unless they set it on fire first. The Sens got royally screwed over, I'm just waiting to hear Burke remind us all how he does not give out NTC/NMCc as a general rule, so I'll just tell him to shove it in advance.

3. The organization has to remain professional about this. Giving him 4 minutes a night on the 4th line would be spiteful, and not a good example to show other UFAs. They should, however, try to go to the league and the NHLPA and see if anything can be done through those channels.

4. A request to be traded should automatically void any NMC/NTC clause, especially if the request is made public. At the very least there should be som censure to Heatley or his agents over this. At the very worst someone should lose their license, or Heatley's membership in the NHLPA should be suspended. Not sure what this would even mean, but if any legal action is sought against him, the NHLPA would not hire a lawyer to represent him.

5. Any guesses how many games Gaborik plays this year, or how long it will take before his groin puts him back on the sidelines? He's turning 28 in February, so it's not like his tendons are getting more stretchy.

we can only hope LA takes pity on us, but you can be guaranteed it will not be a deal we like, not like the sexy one we wanted before the draft, Frolov, Teubert/hickey and their 5th. Well obviously the 5th is off the table unless they are open to dealing Schenn (I think not, this guy has been labeled as future captain material by scouts), Frolov, they may still deal if they are overly unhappy with him (I don't think they are though), so we may get Teubert or Hickey, but probably not much else and would have to take some sort of cap hit in return (probably JJ). We all can still hope for Dustin Brown, but the reality of it now is, the only deal Murray gets done is not going to be a hockey deal, it's going to be Ottawa getting fleeced. I wish Mike Milbury was still a GM somewhere.

That deal from L.A. was never on the table. I am not sure who dreamed up that offer but if L.A. did offer Frolov, 5th and a prospect Heately would have been gone in a heart beat!

TeamRenzo wrote:

SensFan71 wrote:

wprager wrote:There's a glimmer of a chance that something goes down today, but that list of 4 teams initially kicking tires is now down to 1 (LA). So, in all likelihood, Heatley will not be moved any time soon. Some observations:

1. Edmonton is being screwed over big-time. In a way I feel sorry for them because they are now left without that "start" they were looking for, and Cogliano and Smid know what the organization *really* thinks of them. I figure Penner already knew. And this whole thing just confirms that no-one (except aging goalies) wants to go to Edmonton.

2. Yep, 15 is the new 19. They should retire that number for a little while. I'm not suggesting lifting it up to the rafters, unless they set it on fire first. The Sens got royally screwed over, I'm just waiting to hear Burke remind us all how he does not give out NTC/NMCc as a general rule, so I'll just tell him to shove it in advance.

3. The organization has to remain professional about this. Giving him 4 minutes a night on the 4th line would be spiteful, and not a good example to show other UFAs. They should, however, try to go to the league and the NHLPA and see if anything can be done through those channels.

4. A request to be traded should automatically void any NMC/NTC clause, especially if the request is made public. At the very least there should be som censure to Heatley or his agents over this. At the very worst someone should lose their license, or Heatley's membership in the NHLPA should be suspended. Not sure what this would even mean, but if any legal action is sought against him, the NHLPA would not hire a lawyer to represent him.

5. Any guesses how many games Gaborik plays this year, or how long it will take before his groin puts him back on the sidelines? He's turning 28 in February, so it's not like his tendons are getting more stretchy.

we can only hope LA takes pity on us, but you can be guaranteed it will not be a deal we like, not like the sexy one we wanted before the draft, Frolov, Teubert/hickey and their 5th. Well obviously the 5th is off the table unless they are open to dealing Schenn (I think not, this guy has been labeled as future captain material by scouts), Frolov, they may still deal if they are overly unhappy with him (I don't think they are though), so we may get Teubert or Hickey, but probably not much else and would have to take some sort of cap hit in return (probably JJ). We all can still hope for Dustin Brown, but the reality of it now is, the only deal Murray gets done is not going to be a hockey deal, it's going to be Ottawa getting fleeced. I wish Mike Milbury was still a GM somewhere.

That deal from L.A. was never on the table. I am not sure who dreamed up that offer but if L.A. did offer Frolov, 5th and a prospect Heately would have been gone in a heart beat!

I kind of figured so too, but well, Murray was playing hard ball then and trying to get more, so maybe that was his asking price and that is when Hextall said no way, too pricey. Sens Chirp talked about LA a lot with that package. either way, no matter what was on the table before, we are only going to get a mediocre form of deal now, possibly even worse than Penner, Smid and Cogliano. Murray has no bargaining chips now, even with the 4M paid.

SensFan71 wrote:

TeamRenzo wrote:

SensFan71 wrote:

wprager wrote:There's a glimmer of a chance that something goes down today, but that list of 4 teams initially kicking tires is now down to 1 (LA). So, in all likelihood, Heatley will not be moved any time soon. Some observations:

1. Edmonton is being screwed over big-time. In a way I feel sorry for them because they are now left without that "start" they were looking for, and Cogliano and Smid know what the organization *really* thinks of them. I figure Penner already knew. And this whole thing just confirms that no-one (except aging goalies) wants to go to Edmonton.

2. Yep, 15 is the new 19. They should retire that number for a little while. I'm not suggesting lifting it up to the rafters, unless they set it on fire first. The Sens got royally screwed over, I'm just waiting to hear Burke remind us all how he does not give out NTC/NMCc as a general rule, so I'll just tell him to shove it in advance.

3. The organization has to remain professional about this. Giving him 4 minutes a night on the 4th line would be spiteful, and not a good example to show other UFAs. They should, however, try to go to the league and the NHLPA and see if anything can be done through those channels.

4. A request to be traded should automatically void any NMC/NTC clause, especially if the request is made public. At the very least there should be som censure to Heatley or his agents over this. At the very worst someone should lose their license, or Heatley's membership in the NHLPA should be suspended. Not sure what this would even mean, but if any legal action is sought against him, the NHLPA would not hire a lawyer to represent him.

5. Any guesses how many games Gaborik plays this year, or how long it will take before his groin puts him back on the sidelines? He's turning 28 in February, so it's not like his tendons are getting more stretchy.

we can only hope LA takes pity on us, but you can be guaranteed it will not be a deal we like, not like the sexy one we wanted before the draft, Frolov, Teubert/hickey and their 5th. Well obviously the 5th is off the table unless they are open to dealing Schenn (I think not, this guy has been labeled as future captain material by scouts), Frolov, they may still deal if they are overly unhappy with him (I don't think they are though), so we may get Teubert or Hickey, but probably not much else and would have to take some sort of cap hit in return (probably JJ). We all can still hope for Dustin Brown, but the reality of it now is, the only deal Murray gets done is not going to be a hockey deal, it's going to be Ottawa getting fleeced. I wish Mike Milbury was still a GM somewhere.

That deal from L.A. was never on the table. I am not sure who dreamed up that offer but if L.A. did offer Frolov, 5th and a prospect Heately would have been gone in a heart beat!

I kind of figured so too, but well, Murray was playing hard ball then and trying to get more, so maybe that was his asking price and that is when Hextall said no way, too pricey. Sens Chirp talked about LA a lot with that package. either way, no matter what was on the table before, we are only going to get a mediocre form of deal now, possibly even worse than Penner, Smid and Cogliano. Murray has no bargaining chips now, even with the 4M paid.

Which is why Murray now has to stick to his guns.  He said the deadline was before the 4 mill was paid...now, you don't deal Heatley unless someone comes to you with a nice offer.  Otherwise, Heatley is a Senator, plain and simple.  He had the option of moving on to another team, he didn't take it.  End of story.

How can the price go up when there was only one deal at the original price. If the asking price goes up do we think that Murray is going to get a flood of offers....Nope. It is looking more and more like the Sens will have to take a hit and look at any new offers with only the remaining 4M of Heatley's salary being charged back to the trading team. Time for Murray to suck it up and just realise that if we truly want this guy off our team that he is going to have to write the 4M off as a loss and move forward.

Vandelay wrote:

SensFan71 wrote:

TeamRenzo wrote:

SensFan71 wrote:

wprager wrote:There's a glimmer of a chance that something goes down today, but that list of 4 teams initially kicking tires is now down to 1 (LA). So, in all likelihood, Heatley will not be moved any time soon. Some observations:

1. Edmonton is being screwed over big-time. In a way I feel sorry for them because they are now left without that "start" they were looking for, and Cogliano and Smid know what the organization *really* thinks of them. I figure Penner already knew. And this whole thing just confirms that no-one (except aging goalies) wants to go to Edmonton.

2. Yep, 15 is the new 19. They should retire that number for a little while. I'm not suggesting lifting it up to the rafters, unless they set it on fire first. The Sens got royally screwed over, I'm just waiting to hear Burke remind us all how he does not give out NTC/NMCc as a general rule, so I'll just tell him to shove it in advance.

3. The organization has to remain professional about this. Giving him 4 minutes a night on the 4th line would be spiteful, and not a good example to show other UFAs. They should, however, try to go to the league and the NHLPA and see if anything can be done through those channels.

4. A request to be traded should automatically void any NMC/NTC clause, especially if the request is made public. At the very least there should be som censure to Heatley or his agents over this. At the very worst someone should lose their license, or Heatley's membership in the NHLPA should be suspended. Not sure what this would even mean, but if any legal action is sought against him, the NHLPA would not hire a lawyer to represent him.

5. Any guesses how many games Gaborik plays this year, or how long it will take before his groin puts him back on the sidelines? He's turning 28 in February, so it's not like his tendons are getting more stretchy.

we can only hope LA takes pity on us, but you can be guaranteed it will not be a deal we like, not like the sexy one we wanted before the draft, Frolov, Teubert/hickey and their 5th. Well obviously the 5th is off the table unless they are open to dealing Schenn (I think not, this guy has been labeled as future captain material by scouts), Frolov, they may still deal if they are overly unhappy with him (I don't think they are though), so we may get Teubert or Hickey, but probably not much else and would have to take some sort of cap hit in return (probably JJ). We all can still hope for Dustin Brown, but the reality of it now is, the only deal Murray gets done is not going to be a hockey deal, it's going to be Ottawa getting fleeced. I wish Mike Milbury was still a GM somewhere.

That deal from L.A. was never on the table. I am not sure who dreamed up that offer but if L.A. did offer Frolov, 5th and a prospect Heately would have been gone in a heart beat!

I kind of figured so too, but well, Murray was playing hard ball then and trying to get more, so maybe that was his asking price and that is when Hextall said no way, too pricey. Sens Chirp talked about LA a lot with that package. either way, no matter what was on the table before, we are only going to get a mediocre form of deal now, possibly even worse than Penner, Smid and Cogliano. Murray has no bargaining chips now, even with the 4M paid.

Which is why Murray now has to stick to his guns. He said the deadline was before the 4 mill was paid...now, you don't deal Heatley unless someone comes to you with a nice offer. Otherwise, Heatley is a Senator, plain and simple. He had the option of moving on to another team, he didn't take it. End of story.

wait until his Sens teammates let him have it if he is forced to show up to training camp, even Spezza can't be happy with this one, he will never say it, but if I was in the Ottawa dressing room and when that clu$terfuck shows up, I would be kicking his a$$ just because, you asked to be traded, not even to Murray first, to the media, Murray works out the only deal he could, then you have the nerve to say he didn't work hard enough to present more options and nix it, bottom of the barrel you are Dany, makes me feel bad for Eugene as they rescued you out of Atlanta and gave your career another lease, now you went and spat on everything the Sens organization has done for you.

Just as I had predicted, Columbus and Nash are far apart on a deal. Nash made it clear that as witnessed yesterday and all the money and big contracts being handed out, he has no doubt next year he will have plenty of offers.

Does this mean Nash could be in play? Certainly looks like a possibility. Though their best bet is to keep him till the deadline. And certainly Heatley would never go to Columbus.

Melnyk and Murray are pissed off now and are now wanting full value for Heatley - the price just went up.

His value will go up because we aren't going to trade him.  Heatley is under contract.  He asked for a trade, Murray tried to trade him.  It didn't work out.  Heatley cannot expect Murray to simply let him go for nothing more than some Dung contract from another team.  Heatley didn't like the other team so he has made the choice to stay in Ottawa.  He has to play...again, because of the contract.  So, we let him play, let him get his points and then se what's what.  As far as how Heatley has handled this and how his teammates will react, I don't know Heatley personally so I can't make that call.  I think he's got some major psychollogical issues...I mean, who wouldn't after what he's been through.  Then to be in the spotlight every day doesn't help.  Don't get me wrong, his actions are not justified.  I just don't believe he's simply a selfish puta that thinks of no one other than himself- he needs to get out of Ottawa because he mentally and emotianlly can't handle it anymore...and Edmonton wouldn't change that situation.

I hope Melnyk and Murray stick to their guns and force Heatley to play next year in Ott, it pains me to say that because next year will be a write off.

But Diddle him you can't have the inmates running the asylum any longer!

Time to start the full out rebuild in Ottawa.

quote from what Sens Chirp had to say this morning

By all accounts this thing with Heatley could get nasty in the coming days. The Heatley camp dug in their heels on the Edmonton request and now Ottawa may be prepared to do the same thing. With the organization forced to cut a cheque to Dany for $4 million the Senators will be more reluctant to move him now.

I want to say that teams will line up for Dany at the discounted rate but I'm not so sure that's the case. Heatley has turned off a lot of people with this act of his and to be honest he should have been flattered anyone wanted him. I can't help but think the Kings, who struck out in free agency yesterday, might rekindle their interest.

As far as I know the offer from the Oilers is still on the table but the thinking is they would have to now take some contracts back in return, possibly former Oiler Jason Smith.

I am really surprised Edmonton would still table anything for Heatley, after he shot them down point blank, and I really don't see LA showing any interest for Heatley if they could take a gamble on a guy like Kovalev or even Tanguay, less goals, but maybe less salary too and less headaches, something to consider.

SensFan71 wrote:quote from what Sens Chirp had to say this morning

By all accounts this thing with Heatley could get nasty in the coming days. The Heatley camp dug in their heels on the Edmonton request and now Ottawa may be prepared to do the same thing. With the organization forced to cut a cheque to Dany for $4 million the Senators will be more reluctant to move him now.

I want to say that teams will line up for Dany at the discounted rate but I'm not so sure that's the case. Heatley has turned off a lot of people with this act of his and to be honest he should have been flattered anyone wanted him. I can't help but think the Kings, who struck out in free agency yesterday, might rekindle their interest.

As far as I know the offer from the Oilers is still on the table but the thinking is they would have to now take some contracts back in return, possibly former Oiler Jason Smith.

I am really surprised Edmonton would still table anything for Heatley, after he shot them down point blank, and I really don't see LA showing any interest for Heatley if they could take a gamble on a guy like Kovalev or even Tanguay, less goals, but maybe less salary too and less headaches, something to consider.

Is this from Sens chirp or tsn.ca? I read this exact thing basically on tsn earlier today in either Mckenzie's or Dreger's blog (I can't remember which). Particularly the part about Edmonton taking back salary in the form of Smith.

I wouldn't touch Kovalev with a 10 foot pole. He tends to run too hot and cold. Tanguay has never looked like the same player since Peter Forsberg left Colorado. Then again who does.

Well, if the season turns out like I think it will, I dont see how Ottawa cannot go with a total rebuild. Everyone (except Alfi) is on the table, it doesnt matter.

Heatley has been named to the Team Canada roster...we'll see how the "boys" treat what's been going on.

Zoolander wrote:

Is this from Sens chirp or tsn.ca? I read this exact thing basically on tsn earlier today in either Mckenzie's or Dreger's blog (I can't remember which). Particularly the part about Edmonton taking back salary in the form of Smith.

I wouldn't touch Kovalev with a 10 foot pole. He tends to run too hot and cold. Tanguay has never looked like the same player since Peter Forsberg left Colorado. Then again who does.

You know what's funny...what does this say about Heatley when a team like L.A. will take a shot at a guy like Kovalev and his issues rather than take a younger, some would say better hockey player.

you know things might go "other ways"
earlier on L.A. was a suitor for heatley but moved out of that category but now with them having no luck picking up a star player(well I think they’ll get Kovalev, but he’s far from a star) I think they could be back in. frolov and a mix of prospects and a 1st pick might cut the butter now. And you know the funny deal I think they are actually interested in Jason Smith so it wouldn’t even be taking on salary for them. I hope this becomes an option.

Dawg's Wife wrote:Heatley has been named to the Team Canada roster...we'll see how the "boys" treat what's been going on.

I suggest he play for team Germany... er ist ein Scheiße-Kopf!