Sens about to sign MIKE Brodeur?

Phoenix30 wrote:
Based on Elliotts stats it would make him just as valuable as Price regardless of where he was drafted. Actually it does say alot about how good Elliott is for a late draft round pick. Now I am not familar with Elliotts achievements in the AHL so I wonder how they compare to Price.

Elliott's made a remarkable ascent through the ranks to be sure. Top 10 picks get major bonuses factored into their first contract, so Price was making 2.2 million or whatever - with bonuses. His base contract would be entry-level, so 850K or whatever.

Plus, Price has started for a year and a half and played 3 playoff series (quite crappily if I may say), but still.

Elliott will be paid, but not for a couple of years.

Phoenix30 wrote:

504Heater wrote:

Phoenix30 wrote:
I guess it really depends on what Elliott is asking for. Will he settle for less than what say Price is making as a starter to stay in Ottawa as a back up or does he explore his options on July 1 before deciding. This is a situation Murray must be careful with because he doesn't want to loose Elliott nor does he want to handcuff himself to a larger salary. Its a shame nothing has been leaked on what Elliott is looking for.

IMO Brian Elliott will get 1 million dollars per year. Not sure how long a contract they'll be looking at - perhaps year by year, but not a penny over a million (okay, maybe 1.1). He's very young, hasn't proved much yet and will be eager to sign a 1-way deal. I think we can actually make that figure 800K, but I'm not sure what he made last year. I would expect that he doesn't get a decrease, but he'll certainly not make anywhere near what Price made.

Stats or no stats, Price is a top 10 pick, Elliott is a last round, last pick pick. In a few years, if he continues his development, then we're talking 4+ million, but not now.

Based on Elliotts stats it would make him just as valuable as Price regardless of where he was drafted. Actually it does say alot about how good Elliott is for a late draft round pick. Now I am not familar with Elliotts achievements in the AHL so I wonder how they compare to Price.

College is where he was a star, the AHL is where he started getting the professional work load and it took him a bit to adjust, but he ended up being the best goaltender in the AHL last year.

Best goaltender in the NCAA, check
Best goaltender in the AHL, check

He dominated everywhere he has been and in time he might do the same in the NHL, but he needs to be in the NHL to develope and really learn how to be a pro.

504Heater wrote:

Phoenix30 wrote:
Based on Elliotts stats it would make him just as valuable as Price regardless of where he was drafted. Actually it does say alot about how good Elliott is for a late draft round pick. Now I am not familar with Elliotts achievements in the AHL so I wonder how they compare to Price.

Elliott's made a remarkable ascent through the ranks to be sure. Top 10 picks get major bonuses factored into their first contract, so Price was making 2.2 million or whatever - with bonuses. His base contract would be entry-level, so 850K or whatever.

Plus, Price has started for a year and a half and played 3 playoff series (quite crappily if I may say), but still.

Elliott will be paid, but not for a couple of years.

With Elliott coming out of his entry level contract he maybe inclined to look at what others are making based on his own performance. I guess time will tell what he gets.

Again, Elliott has earned the contract, not the cash at this point. You can lace his contract with bonus' all you want, he has no shot at reaching them as the backup so a base contract will work.

Prob 750K.

Neely4Life wrote:

Phoenix30 wrote:

504Heater wrote:

Phoenix30 wrote:
I guess it really depends on what Elliott is asking for. Will he settle for less than what say Price is making as a starter to stay in Ottawa as a back up or does he explore his options on July 1 before deciding. This is a situation Murray must be careful with because he doesn't want to loose Elliott nor does he want to handcuff himself to a larger salary. Its a shame nothing has been leaked on what Elliott is looking for.

IMO Brian Elliott will get 1 million dollars per year. Not sure how long a contract they'll be looking at - perhaps year by year, but not a penny over a million (okay, maybe 1.1). He's very young, hasn't proved much yet and will be eager to sign a 1-way deal. I think we can actually make that figure 800K, but I'm not sure what he made last year. I would expect that he doesn't get a decrease, but he'll certainly not make anywhere near what Price made.

Stats or no stats, Price is a top 10 pick, Elliott is a last round, last pick pick. In a few years, if he continues his development, then we're talking 4+ million, but not now.

Based on Elliotts stats it would make him just as valuable as Price regardless of where he was drafted. Actually it does say alot about how good Elliott is for a late draft round pick. Now I am not familar with Elliotts achievements in the AHL so I wonder how they compare to Price.

College is where he was a star, the AHL is where he started getting the professional work load and it took him a bit to adjust, but he ended up being the best goaltender in the AHL last year.

Best goaltender in the NCAA, check
Best goaltender in the AHL, check

He dominated everywhere he has been and in time he might do the same in the NHL, but he needs to be in the NHL to develope and really learn how to be a pro.

Sounds to me that he could be in line for a nice raise.

Neely4Life wrote:
Yup, and his bro is a goalie in the AHL as well so he knows.

I think there are a lot of people on the site (me included of course) who lose sight of how good Elliott is. He's got some technical work to do, but at the same time, he's got the lightning quick reflexes and the sick glove hand.

I loved the feeling of seeing him against the raw rookies in the development camp. He put every one of them down when they came at him. The only guys who had any success was Bashkirov and O'Brien - and they were with some slick moves.

I was soooooooooooooooooooo excited back then. And I'm starting to get the same feeling. Bright future for this kid - and the Sens - in nets.

The 1 way deal is the raise.

Neely4Life wrote:Again, Elliott has earned the contract, not the cash at this point. You can lace his contract with bonus' all you want, he has no shot at reaching them as the backup so a base contract will work.

Prob 750K.

I'd think he maybe more in line with the rookie cap plus the bonus's. Which goes back to the orginal concern. If he is not signed by July 1 another team can come in and offer it to him and give him the opportunity to be a starter to earn those bonus's. Does Murray want to pay that much if it does happen.

Neely4Life wrote:

Phoenix30 wrote:

504Heater wrote:

Phoenix30 wrote:
I guess it really depends on what Elliott is asking for. Will he settle for less than what say Price is making as a starter to stay in Ottawa as a back up or does he explore his options on July 1 before deciding. This is a situation Murray must be careful with because he doesn't want to loose Elliott nor does he want to handcuff himself to a larger salary. Its a shame nothing has been leaked on what Elliott is looking for.

IMO Brian Elliott will get 1 million dollars per year. Not sure how long a contract they'll be looking at - perhaps year by year, but not a penny over a million (okay, maybe 1.1). He's very young, hasn't proved much yet and will be eager to sign a 1-way deal. I think we can actually make that figure 800K, but I'm not sure what he made last year. I would expect that he doesn't get a decrease, but he'll certainly not make anywhere near what Price made.

Stats or no stats, Price is a top 10 pick, Elliott is a last round, last pick pick. In a few years, if he continues his development, then we're talking 4+ million, but not now.

Based on Elliotts stats it would make him just as valuable as Price regardless of where he was drafted. Actually it does say alot about how good Elliott is for a late draft round pick. Now I am not familar with Elliotts achievements in the AHL so I wonder how they compare to Price.

College is where he was a star, the AHL is where he started getting the professional work load and it took him a bit to adjust, but he ended up being the best goaltender in the AHL last year.

Best goaltender in the NCAA, check
Best goaltender in the AHL, check

He dominated everywhere he has been and in time he might do the same in the NHL, but he needs to be in the NHL to develope and really learn how to be a pro.

A player N4L likes (despite the obligatory caveat at the end). N4L you are getting soft...

Phoenix30 wrote:
I'd think he maybe more in line with the rookie cap plus the bonus's. Which goes back to the orginal concern. If he is not signed by July 1 another team can come in and offer it to him and give him the opportunity to be a starter to earn those bonus's. Does Murray want to pay that much if it does happen.

If Murray lets it gets to that stage, he's a fool. Sign him, make it a 1-way, put the writing on the wall for Auld - thank him, ask him if he has a preference on where he wants to go - deal him at the draft (or before) and Elliott has his NHL contract. He's happy, hopefully Auld's okay with it, we're happy.

Sign Brodeur and everyone is happy now - Bingo included.

Challenge Zubov by making him stay in Bingo with Z.Smith and O'Brien etc. If he leaves, he doesn't have the mental makeup to be an NHLer. If he works even harder, then we'll see the character shining through.

How did I get to Zubov you ask? I have no idea.

504Heater wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:
Yup, and his bro is a goalie in the AHL as well so he knows.

I think there are a lot of people on the site (me included of course) who lose sight of how good Elliott is. He's got some technical work to do, but at the same time, he's got the lightning quick reflexes and the sick glove hand.

I loved the feeling of seeing him against the raw rookies in the development camp. He put every one of them down when they came at him. The only guys who had any success was Bashkirov and O'Brien - and they were with some slick moves.

I was soooooooooooooooooooo excited back then. And I'm starting to get the same feeling. Bright future for this kid - and the Sens - in nets.

Elliott is an NHL goaltender. People forget how well he played for the Sens and how he made Clouston look a lot better than he should have looked. With all the games he has played in the NHL, he still only had 8 losses, thats insane. The way Auld was playing in Jan and Feb, there is no way Clouston would have gotten his new contract with Ottawa. Elliott made that entire team better.

The kid is a winner and he is good enough to push Leclaire as well, that's what you want. Not an Auld who is totally content being a solid backup. Ottawa is looking for that work ethic from their players and if the goaltenders are battling day in and day out, thats a great thing. The last thing Leclaire wants is that number 1 job to be taken from him again and Elliott is capable of pushing the limits of that.

Elliott being up with Ottawa will make Leclaire better and vis versa. Both have great work ethics, paid their dues, and in time could be the best, youngest, and most athletic duo in The NHL.

You look at a team like Detroit where compitition breeds success, if you arnt producing you are not playing. Always a guy to take your spot, in Ottawa, everyone is just given a spot based on past achievements. How many guys are still in Detroit from 2002? Not a lot. Ottawa needs to get away from this in a large way and IMO the best way to do that is start with the compitition in goal because if the shooters cant score in practice, then that's going to force everyone on the team to be better as well.

Phoenix30 wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:Again, Elliott has earned the contract, not the cash at this point. You can lace his contract with bonus' all you want, he has no shot at reaching them as the backup so a base contract will work.

Prob 750K.

I'd think he maybe more in line with the rookie cap plus the bonus's. Which goes back to the orginal concern. If he is not signed by July 1 another team can come in and offer it to him and give him the opportunity to be a starter to earn those bonus's. Does Murray want to pay that much if it does happen.

Oh, they absolutly have to sign Elliott but he will get a small raise in salary from the league min and a 1 way deal. I dont think you appriciate just how much a 1 way deal means to an AHL/NHL player. The mental aspect of that is enormous.

MurderOnIce wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:

Phoenix30 wrote:

504Heater wrote:

Phoenix30 wrote:
I guess it really depends on what Elliott is asking for. Will he settle for less than what say Price is making as a starter to stay in Ottawa as a back up or does he explore his options on July 1 before deciding. This is a situation Murray must be careful with because he doesn't want to loose Elliott nor does he want to handcuff himself to a larger salary. Its a shame nothing has been leaked on what Elliott is looking for.

IMO Brian Elliott will get 1 million dollars per year. Not sure how long a contract they'll be looking at - perhaps year by year, but not a penny over a million (okay, maybe 1.1). He's very young, hasn't proved much yet and will be eager to sign a 1-way deal. I think we can actually make that figure 800K, but I'm not sure what he made last year. I would expect that he doesn't get a decrease, but he'll certainly not make anywhere near what Price made.

Stats or no stats, Price is a top 10 pick, Elliott is a last round, last pick pick. In a few years, if he continues his development, then we're talking 4+ million, but not now.

Based on Elliotts stats it would make him just as valuable as Price regardless of where he was drafted. Actually it does say alot about how good Elliott is for a late draft round pick. Now I am not familar with Elliotts achievements in the AHL so I wonder how they compare to Price.

College is where he was a star, the AHL is where he started getting the professional work load and it took him a bit to adjust, but he ended up being the best goaltender in the AHL last year.

Best goaltender in the NCAA, check
Best goaltender in the AHL, check

He dominated everywhere he has been and in time he might do the same in the NHL, but he needs to be in the NHL to develope and really learn how to be a pro.

A player N4L likes (despite the obligatory caveat at the end). N4L you are getting soft...

I love Elliott, but he has tons to learn like any rookie/softmore does, especially a goaltender. It's a grind being a goalie and Elliott needs to go through it in the NHL, not the AHL anymore (been there, done that, destroyed that).

504Heater wrote:

Phoenix30 wrote:
I'd think he maybe more in line with the rookie cap plus the bonus's. Which goes back to the orginal concern. If he is not signed by July 1 another team can come in and offer it to him and give him the opportunity to be a starter to earn those bonus's. Does Murray want to pay that much if it does happen.

If Murray lets it gets to that stage, he's a fool. Sign him, make it a 1-way, put the writing on the wall for Auld - thank him, ask him if he has a preference on where he wants to go - deal him at the draft (or before) and Elliott has his NHL contract. He's happy, hopefully Auld's okay with it, we're happy.

Sign Brodeur and everyone is happy now - Bingo included.

Challenge Zubov by making him stay in Bingo with Z.Smith and O'Brien etc. If he leaves, he doesn't have the mental makeup to be an NHLer. If he works even harder, then we'll see the character shining through.

How did I get to Zubov you ask? I have no idea. :shrug:

Murray can try all he wants but nothing has been said from Elliott on what he wants to do. Is the Elliott camp waiting to see if that Swede goalie signs and for what. Are they making their arguement to push Elliott into the 2 range that is similar to Price and Mike Smith. Heck there are numerous other young goalies making 1.4 a year.