Sens about to sign MIKE Brodeur?

Cap'n Clutch wrote:I agree Heater. If Leclaire gets injured I sure as heck don't want to be playing out any portion of the season with a Elliott - Glass or Elliott - O'keefe tandem. Does anyone else like that idea? How about an Elliott - Mike Brodeur tandem?

I'm not even real fond of an Elliott - Brodeur tandem in the NHL right now to be honest. When Leclaire breaks his ***s, we're gonna be scouring the earth for a back-up who can backup the backup (Elliott).

People are acting like Leclaire is going to fall apart, and if he does it will season ending. If something like that happens The Sens are up the creek anyways and Elliott will be the guy, no matter what, getting the majority of starts, even if Auld is here.

There are not shortage of journeymen NHLers that can step in for 4-6 weeks as the backup for Elliott should a major injury occure with Leclaire.

Elliott has showed he plays well enough even on some off nights to give his team a chance to win on most nights.

Again, you dont want to hamper his development and a big part of that would be going back down to the AHL. A lot more can be learned as a backup for a legit number 1 than being a number 1 in the AHL.

Even if he isnt as good as Auld there is still more upside for Elliott and The Sens should be more worried about Elliott becoming real pro.

504Heater wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:I agree Heater. If Leclaire gets injured I sure as heck don't want to be playing out any portion of the season with a Elliott - Glass or Elliott - O'keefe tandem. Does anyone else like that idea? How about an Elliott - Mike Brodeur tandem?

I'm not even real fond of an Elliott - Brodeur tandem in the NHL right now to be honest. When Leclaire breaks his ***s, we're gonna be scouring the earth for a back-up who can backup the backup (Elliott).

Exactly. That is why I don't see Auld leaving. They'll want to see if Leclaire can stay healthy for the season first. If they injuries continue to plague Leclaire then the Sens really have a problem and that might be it for Murray. Two bad coaching decisions plus a debacle on goaltending could be enough to get him canned.

Neely4Life wrote:People are acting like Leclaire is going to fall apart, and if he does it will season ending. If something like that happens The Sens are up the creek anyways and Elliott will be the guy, no matter what, getting the majority of starts, even if Auld is here.

There are not shortage of journeymen NHLers that can step in for 4-6 weeks as the backup for Elliott should a major injury occure with Leclaire.

Elliott has showed he plays well enough even on some off nights to give his team a chance to win on most nights.

Again, you dont want to hamper his development and a big part of that would be going back down to the AHL. A lot more can be learned as a backup for a legit number 1 than being a number 1 in the AHL.

Even if he isnt as good as Auld there is still more upside for Elliott and The Sens should be more worried about Elliott becoming real pro.

Fair enough. I can buy that.

Bye bye Auld. I loved you here.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:
Exactly. That is why I don't see Auld leaving. They'll want to see if Leclaire can stay healthy for the season first. If they injuries continue to plague Leclaire then the Sens really have a problem and that might be it for Murray. Two bad coaching decisions plus a debacle on goaltending could be enough to get him canned.

There are definitely two ways of looking at it - as evidenced by Neely's post. So, I step back now and wait for Auld's fate. Again, really can't say enough about him or his professionalism here should he be traded. Nothing but good things to say.

I still think my idea of having a sniper in position to take out a goalie after one too many bad goals is the best solution.

SeawaySensFan wrote:I still think my idea of having a sniper in position to take out a goalie after one too many bad goals is the best solution.

As long as the Goalie knows he's up there somewhere.

The Sens and fans can't be worried about injuries occuring, because if they are after obtaining their number 1 goaltender then the priorities are messed up.

The most important thing in Ottawa is looking towards the future and forget about the past. A big part of Ottawa's future is Brian Elliott and they should be more worried about developing another goaltender instead of worrying about thier number 1 guy going down. If that happens, it happens and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

SeawaySensFan wrote:I still think my idea of having a sniper in position to take out a goalie after one too many bad goals is the best solution.

6 of Gerber's 9 lives would have been used up in the one Nashville game a year and a half ago. I wanted to beat the Dung out of him - really I did. He died for me that night. I had tried to like him, but that was the real turning point for me. I wanted to crap on his head.

It's a darn good thing I didn't have a sniper rifle.

Neely4Life wrote:The Sens and fans can't be worried about injuries occuring, because if they are after obtaining their number 1 goaltender then the priorities are messed up.

The most important thing in Ottawa is looking towards the future and forget about the past. A big part of Ottawa's future is Brian Elliott and they should be more worried about developing another goaltender instead of worrying about thier number 1 guy going down. If that happens, it happens and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

I agree. I was a little skeptical about Leclaire and his injuries. With the passage of time, I'm more interested and even excited to see how things will unfold with this new start.

I recall literally laughing when The Un-mentionables signed what I thought was a "finished" Belfour. Leclaire is not nearly as worn out as the Billion-Dollar Man.

Neely4Life wrote:The Sens and fans can't be worried about injuries occuring, because if they are after obtaining their number 1 goaltender then the priorities are messed up.

The most important thing in Ottawa is looking towards the future and forget about the past. A big part of Ottawa's future is Brian Elliott and they should be more worried about developing another goaltender instead of worrying about thier number 1 guy going down. If that happens, it happens and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

Can't argue with that either.

I was just as reserved about grabbing Leclaire because he is somewhat of a lemon, but at this point this is what The Sens are counting on. It's a caluculated risk that has to, and should work out if his conditioning is there.

Goaltending was an issue last year, now it's not. The number 1 spot is set, one problem solved. The 2nd and 3rd having a reliable backup and developing another guy who could possibly be a number 1 guy. Problems 2 and 3 should be solved by giving Elliott that job in Ottawa.

Ottawa cant be short sighted and screw up the development of another guy because of a short sightedness.

On top of all that, Elliott is the RFA, not Auld. I would rather lose Auld then risk an offer sheet for Elliott or him going over to Europe where the money is a lot better than in the AHL.

23 year old goalie with tons of upsdie vs 30 year old goalie who has probably peaked.

Neely4Life wrote:On top of all that, Elliott is the RFA, not Auld. I would rather lose Auld then risk an offer sheet for Elliott or him going over to Europe where the money is a lot better than in the AHL.

23 year old goalie with tons of upsdie vs 30 year old goalie who has probably peaked.

I believe (don't quote me though), that Elliott does NOT have arbitration rights and this cannot be issued an offer sheet.

Again, don't quote me on that though. Either way, it's in the best interest of both Elliott and the Sens to go at this maturely and figure out what's best to be done.

Europe is still an option though. I dont think it will come to that, but it's still there.

The right move is letting Elliott have that backup job and letting Leclaire run with the number 1. Auld is an asset we can probably deal and add to the organization with a mid round pick or even a mid teir prospect that could make Bingo better himself.

Elliott is still in control IMO and Murray should just do whats right. When the season KIND OF turned around Elliott was front and center doing the job.

504Heater wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:On top of all that, Elliott is the RFA, not Auld. I would rather lose Auld then risk an offer sheet for Elliott or him going over to Europe where the money is a lot better than in the AHL.

23 year old goalie with tons of upsdie vs 30 year old goalie who has probably peaked.

I believe (don't quote me though), that Elliott does NOT have arbitration rights and this cannot be issued an offer sheet.

Again, don't quote me on that though. Either way, it's in the best interest of both Elliott and the Sens to go at this maturely and figure out what's best to be done.

I believe that Elliott can be offered an RFA sheet from another team. The arbitration rights just means that he can take the sens to an arbitrator to decide his worth if at an impasse on contract negotiations.

not sure where it is exactly in this document, but I found the CBA PDF, the RFA section starts on page 29 for all those CBA gurus we have to find out about Elliott's rights/Ottawa's rights.

http://www.nhl.com/cba/2005-CBA.pdf

An RFA is an RFA is an RFA.

Any team can offer an RFA an offer sheet, just as any team can offer a UFA a contract. They're both "free agents," remember. The only difference is that, with an RFA, the team who holds that player's rights has the option to match the offer or receive compensation if they don't match (providing a qualifying offer was made beforehand, which is always done just in case for precisely this reason).

Arbitration rights just entitle the RFA to salary arbitration (i.e., a third party judges on the salary the player is worth based on past performances after hearing arguments from opposing sides), in the event that he and the organization can't come to terms. It's totally independent of the issue of offer sheets, which can be offered to any class of RFA.