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What's Next For Les Canadiens?

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76What's Next For Les Canadiens? - Page 6 Empty Re: What's Next For Les Canadiens? Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:54 am

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Habs Inside Out reports on the decision by one of Montreal's top defensive prospects to stay in Russia, plus some hints as to impending negotiations:

Another nyet to Habs from Yemelin
Dave Stubbs HABSINSIDEOUT.COM, June 8 2009

Defenceman Alexei Yemelin has again thumbed his nose at the Canadiens, signing a new contract with the Russian Kontinental League's AK Bars Kazan.

Colleague Marc de Foy of ruefrontenac.com says that Don Meehan, Yemelin's agent, explains that the Russian squad offered "better financial guarantees," adding that his client had signed a contract of one year, but possibly two. Meehan is awaiting the documents from an employee based in Russia.

De Foy further reports that Meehan client Francis Bouillon hasn't come up yet in talks with GM Bob Gainey, but that the agent expects discussions will take place during draft week. And Meehan says he'll soon meet with client Patrice Brisebois to determine the veteran defenceman's future.

Meanwhile, Matt Keator, who represents UFA-to-be Mike Komisarek and impending RFA Christopher Higgins, wouldn't comment on his clients' status beyond saying it's not yet July 1.

77What's Next For Les Canadiens? - Page 6 Empty Re: What's Next For Les Canadiens? Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:36 pm

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Molsons confirm bid for Habs
The Montreal Gazette, June 10, 2009

Geoff Molson and his brothers, Andrew and Justin, confirmed yesterday that they have made an offer to purchase the Canadiens, the Gillett Entertainment Group and the Bell Centre.

The offer was delivered to team owner George Gillett Jr.

“We have assembled a very solid and credible group of investors and financial institutions as part of our offer,” Geoff Molson, who is the group leader, said in a statement. “They are all dedicated to the long-term success of the Canadiens and have a strong presence in Quebec.

“We think our offer has all the ingredients to be well received by the potential seller and the National Hockey League. We look forward to meeting with them at their earliest convenience.”

Molson said he would not comment any further on the offer, in order to respect the confidentiality agreement binding the parties involved in the process.

78What's Next For Les Canadiens? - Page 6 Empty Re: What's Next For Les Canadiens? Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:16 am

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So, they've got two competing bids - one from the Molson brother's and the other from Quebecor Media. I'd love to know how close they are to each other. I have a feeling they'll go with Quebecor Media...



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79What's Next For Les Canadiens? - Page 6 Empty Re: What's Next For Les Canadiens? Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:45 am

Jordo

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To answer the thread question- utter failure? Hopefully?

80What's Next For Les Canadiens? - Page 6 Empty Re: What's Next For Les Canadiens? Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:46 am

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Jordo wrote:To answer the thread question- utter failure? Hopefully?

if they make Kovalev their captain and lost Komisarek (which seems to be inevitable), you bet your sweet bippy utter failure.

81What's Next For Les Canadiens? - Page 6 Empty Re: What's Next For Les Canadiens? Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:06 am

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With Martin, you can look forward to some utterly boring hockey, followed by some muttered utterly boring comments from the coach in the media scrum afterwards

82What's Next For Les Canadiens? - Page 6 Empty Re: What's Next For Les Canadiens? Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:24 am

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beedub wrote:With Martin, you can look forward to some utterly boring hockey, followed by some muttered utterly boring comments from the coach in the media scrum afterwards

Martin tried his best to dispel that fact, saying that Florida was in the top 10 offensive teams in the league.

83What's Next For Les Canadiens? - Page 6 Empty Re: What's Next For Les Canadiens? Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:08 am

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The view from Montreal:

NEW HABS COACH IN GAINEY'S OWN IMAGE
Jack Todd, The Gazette, June 8 2009

Quick now, let's play word association. What's the first thing that came to mind when you heard that Jacques Martin was the new coach of the Canadiens?

Boring, right? B-O-R-I-N-G with a capital BORE. Boring hockey. The charisma of boiled cauliflower. Gives good quote every other leap year, except when he has laryngitis. Makes Bob Gainey look loquacious.

Fairly or unfairly, that's the impression of Martin that was fostered when he presided over a pretty good hockey team in our nation's capital and again when his Florida Panthers missed the playoffs four years in a row: dull teams, a dull coach.

Of course, it's not entirely accurate. There was nothing dull about those Ottawa teams, while everything about Martin's Florida teams was dull.

To a great extent, coaches are like Formula One drivers, who are only as good as their cars. Who knew that Jenson Button was the next Michael Schumacher? Not Jacques Villeneuve, we know that much.

Mike Babc0ck? Great coach. Should head up Canada's Olympic team next February.

But how would Babc0ck fare if he was stuck with the New York Islanders?

Jacques Martin didn't get stupid the day he was hired by the Florida Panthers. He just went from a Mercedes to a Pontiac. Not a terrible team, just not good enough to make the playoffs - even with Roberto Luongo.

Gainey's highly conservative choice of Martin reflects Gainey's own personality.

It's more the absence of negatives (or what Gainey would consider negatives) than positives that won Martin the job. Martin won't blab. He won't say anything stupid in public. He won't embarrass the organization.

And he won't win a Stanley Cup. Given the current state of the Canadiens, it's almost as though a driver has signed on with an F1 team without knowing whether he'll end up behind the wheel of a Brawn or piloting Force India.

Martin said all sorts of good things about this team when he was hired. No surprise: a new coach isn't going to knock what he has before the first practice.

But even Gainey doesn't know what the 2009-10 edition of the Canadiens will look like.

On the management level, hiring Martin solidified two positions: Gainey hired a coach and he also confirmed, by implication, that he will return as GM and executive vice-president. At least one grizzled veteran journalist agreed with me when I suggested that Gainey would probably resign after the debacle of the 2008-09 season, but it appears that we don't understand the man as well as we thought we did.

Gainey will be back, in other words. His coach will have a wealth of experience and the fact Gainey was permitted to proceed with the hiring suggests that, while it may take months to iron out the details, it is possible that the new owner signed off on the hiring.

But who will he be coaching?

Martin has a reputation as a coach who is good with young players. We might suggest that a billygoat could have developed the young players he had in Ottawa, but the wrong coach in that situation could have led to a case of arrested development.

Here, the young players will be Martin's salvation or his albatross. At least three need to do some serious growing up: the Kostitsyn brothers and thoroughbred goaltender Carey Price. A couple of others, like Tomas Plekanec and Mike Komisarek, need to find themselves again after off seasons - although it is at least possible that Komisarek will find himself in Long Island or Toronto.

Then there is Alex Kovalev, the only possible source of the Sovietsky Sport story that had the Canadiens offering him a deal worth between $6 million and $7.5 million a year while dumping Saku Koivu and making Kovalev the captain. That's assuming, of course, that the story had a source, which didn't prevent TSN and other media outlets from running with it.

If it's true, then Martin will have a captain who has ripped his own team in print, who sulked because he wasn't wearing the C and who shows up when it suits him. With that kind of leadership, Martin may wish he had stayed with the Panthers.

His biggest problem, however, is between the pipes. After allowing Price to, in effect, fire his own goalie coach in Roland Melanson, the Canadiens have reached the limit in terms of coddling this young man. He was handed a job he did not deserve before he was ready, turned loose on the town without a steadying older influence (see Sidney Crosby living in Mario Lemieux's house and Evgeni Malkin with Sergei Gonchar) and then kept in the lineup night after night long after the job should have belonged to Jaroslav Halak.

Then, to add insult to injury, Gainey effectively blamed the fans and the media when, during that sweep at the hands of the Bruins, they had seen enough.

In Ottawa, Martin won without a goalie. In Florida, he couldn't win with a great one. In Montreal - well, it remains to be seen. But when the goalie falters, the coach tends to walk the plank. Think José Theodore and Claude Julien, Price and Guy Carbonneau.

It's true, as Stu Cowan wrote yesterday, that Martin's defence-oriented system should benefit Price. But he also has to get through to the young man, convince him that success at this level requires almost unimaginable effort in addition to talent, turn him into the thoroughbred Gainey believes he drafted.

If Martin can do all that, he may have more success here than we anticipate.

Sadly, given all the uncertainty surrounding this team, we can't foresee much that will set Martin apart from the others caught in this revolving door.

If past experience is any indication, Martin will have one good season when this team will get as far as the second round, no farther. Then he'll have a disappointing season. Then the wheels will fall off, Gainey will fire him midway through the season and take over behind the bench once more and we'll begin this whole dispiriting process again.

I sincerely hope that is not how things work out. But I also can't think of one good reason why Martin's fate should be any different than that of Mario Tremblay, Alain Vigneault, Michel Therrien, Claude Julien or Guy Carbonneau.

They all had some success. None made it past the second round of the playoffs.

All were fired.

So it goes.

jacktodd46@yahoo.com

84What's Next For Les Canadiens? - Page 6 Empty Re: What's Next For Les Canadiens? Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:13 am

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They apparently said no to Briere. Which, I'm a little surprised at. I guess it depended on what Philly wanted (nothing?).

85What's Next For Les Canadiens? - Page 6 Empty Re: What's Next For Les Canadiens? Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:35 am

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Wow, that article pretty much echoes everything I've been thinking about the situation. That "Todd" guy must be in my head.

86What's Next For Les Canadiens? - Page 6 Empty Re: What's Next For Les Canadiens? Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:32 pm

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News from Montreal on Briere and the sale of the Habs:

Flyers centre Brière just doesn't do it for Canadiens
"Too small, and way too expensive to draw interest from Montreal."
Pat Hickey, The Gazette, June 16, 2009

The Canadiens are not interested in acquiring centre Daniel Brière and it has nothing to do with the fact he snubbed the team two years ago when he was an unrestricted free agent.

Brière has a no-movement clause in the eight-year, $52-million contract he signed with the Philadelphia Flyers in 2007, but the franchise has hopes of creating some cap space.

The folks in Philly have talked to the Canadiens and the Los Angeles Kings, but neither team was interested. There also is a report that they have talked to the Phoenix Coyotes, although you have to wonder whether anyone has the authority to talk on behalf of the team that may or may not be bankrupt and/or on the way to Hamilton.

Montreal passed on Brière because, despite their previous interest, the last thing they need is a small centre with a cap hit of $6.5 million for each of the next six seasons.

The 31-year-old Brière is listed as 5-foot-10 and 180 pounds, but those figures stretch the truth.

There also are concerns about Brière's health. He went on the injured list three times last season with a variety of abdominal and groin problems. He did score 11 goals and 14 assists in only 29 games and he might have played more if the Flyers hadn't been up against the cap.

His final return to the lineup was delayed because Philadelphia didn't have enough cap room to activate him. They finally made room by waiving Glen Metropolit, who was picked up by the Canadiens, and Ossi Vaananen, who went to Vancouver.

Brière said he chose Philadelphia over Montreal because it offered him a chance for relative anonymity. He also found some comfort in the presence of his good friend and former Buffalo teammate, Marty Biron, who might not be a Flyer much longer. Biron is eligible to become an unrestricted free agent on July 1 and there might not be room for him in Philadelphia.

The Flyers have lured NHL prodigal Ray Emery back from Russia and are still up against the cap with more than $51 million U.S. committed to 18 players. The Flyers are looking at Robert Esche, another goaltender who sampled life in Russia, as their backup.

Gillett satisfied with offers: Meanwhile back at the ranch, we're still waiting for Canadiens owner George Gillett to formally announce he's selling the team, but that hasn't stemmed the flow of offers.

Jacques Ménard of BMO Financial Group, who has been put in charge of reviewing Gillett's local assets, said yesterday that Gillett is satisfied with the process and with the offers he has received for the team, the Bell Centre and his concert business.

Three Quebec groups have publicly announced that they have submitted bids for the assets. It is believed that there are also three bidders from outside the province, but none of them have stepped forward.

phickey@thegazette.canwest.com

87What's Next For Les Canadiens? - Page 6 Empty Re: What's Next For Les Canadiens? Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:48 pm

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$51M and 18 players? They have no choice but to move a couple of players. Problem is, who would take Briere give his recent injury troubles? And who would take Timmonen at $6.33M? He's small, getting on in years (38 by the end of his contract), shoots left and will not get you more than 40-45 points, mostly assists. Hell, if Redden "re-ups" on his improvement under Tortorella, *he* could get you those numbers, and probably more goals.

Holmgren is in a spot of trouble. Just ripe for someone to fleece him.

88What's Next For Les Canadiens? - Page 6 Empty Re: What's Next For Les Canadiens? Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:53 pm

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wprager wrote:$51M and 18 players? They have no choice but to move a couple of players. Problem is, who would take Briere give his recent injury troubles? And who would take Timmonen at $6.33M? He's small, getting on in years (38 by the end of his contract), shoots left and will not get you more than 40-45 points, mostly assists. Hell, if Redden "re-ups" on his improvement under Tortorella, *he* could get you those numbers, and probably more goals.

Holmgren is in a spot of trouble. Just ripe for someone to fleece him.

I propose a fleecing by the Ottawa Senators...

89What's Next For Les Canadiens? - Page 6 Empty Re: What's Next For Les Canadiens? Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:59 pm

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Problem is, the Flyers would need to dump salary, and we can, at best, exchange. Unless, of course, we move Heatley first, then we would be in perfect fleecing position.

90What's Next For Les Canadiens? - Page 6 Empty Re: What's Next For Les Canadiens? Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:03 pm

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Why would we wanna help them out in any way at all?

91What's Next For Les Canadiens? - Page 6 Empty Re: What's Next For Les Canadiens? Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:13 pm

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PKC wrote:Why would we wanna help them out in any way at all?

Well, that would be for the fleecing, I'd assume.

92What's Next For Les Canadiens? - Page 6 Empty Re: What's Next For Les Canadiens? Tue Jun 16, 2009 4:58 pm

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They have a deadline of Today to complete their coaching staff .... Muller, Jarvis still around tomorrow? we'll see :p

93What's Next For Les Canadiens? - Page 6 Empty Re: What's Next For Les Canadiens? Tue Jun 16, 2009 4:59 pm

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I saw Howie Merenz's plaque at the HHOF on Friday. I thought of you....isn't that nice?

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