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Coach Michel Therrien FIred

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16Coach Michel Therrien FIred - Page 2 Empty Re: Coach Michel Therrien FIred Sun Feb 15, 2009 11:38 pm

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asq2 wrote:Good move IMO, but like Hartsburg maybe too little too late.

Renney should be next.

The way their game is going tonight, might be Carbonneau.

17Coach Michel Therrien FIred - Page 2 Empty Re: Coach Michel Therrien FIred Sun Feb 15, 2009 11:53 pm

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PKC wrote:From what I've heard though, the players HATED playing for Therrien. So whether external factors added up to lead to his dismissal or whether he was just not a good coach, the fact remains that his players disliked him.

Scotty Bowman's players hated him too. Didn't stop Scotty from winning more Stanley Cups than any other coach.

And the first thing Cory Clouston said was that he wasn't there to be the players' friend.

IMHO Spector has it nailed. The Pens lost too many core and supporting players. Therrien paid for Shero's decisions.

18Coach Michel Therrien FIred - Page 2 Empty Re: Coach Michel Therrien FIred Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:05 am

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PKC wrote:From what I've heard though, the players HATED playing for Therrien. So whether external factors added up to lead to his dismissal or whether he was just not a good coach, the fact remains that his players disliked him.

Hated him for sure, 100%, and there are a lot of guys in there that hate Crosby too.

19Coach Michel Therrien FIred - Page 2 Empty Re: Coach Michel Therrien FIred Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:06 am

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PKC wrote:
asq2 wrote:Good move IMO, but like Hartsburg maybe too little too late.

Renney should be next.

The way their game is going tonight, might be Carbonneau.

There have been questions about Carbo's coaching among the francophone hockey mavens (including Fournier, Dube, Pedneault, Demers, Bergeron, Langevin, Villeneuve, Tremblay) in Montreal ever since he was hired.

Missing the playoffs in his first year, Carbo got a pass for taking the Habs to the Conference title in his second; but as the Canadiens stumbled in the playoffs, the spotlight was turned on Guy.

Montreal's inconsistency this year has been accompanied by some furious debate over whether or not Guy Carbonneau is the man for the job. However, Bob Gainey has stated that Carbo was the best choice he had made as Habs' GM.

But...nothing is set in stone when it comes to being Coach of Le Club de Hockey Canadien. No coach has lasted longer than three seasons since Pat Burns left after the 1992 campaign; Burns lasted four. You would then have to go back to Scotty Bowman in 1979 to find another coach who lasted three seasons or more.

So if the trend continues, Guy Carbonneau's third season could very well be his final season.

20Coach Michel Therrien FIred - Page 2 Empty Re: Coach Michel Therrien FIred Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:35 am

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This is long overdue. They had tuned him out completely and as others have pointed out, the Pens' lineup is a shadow of what it once was.

Renney and Carbo are next. I'm half expecting to hear Carbo's done tomorrow. The Habs look clueless.

21Coach Michel Therrien FIred - Page 2 Empty Re: Coach Michel Therrien FIred Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:33 am

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Habs have lost 10 of their last 13 games and are free falling in the standings. Wow. What is going on there?

22Coach Michel Therrien FIred - Page 2 Empty Re: Coach Michel Therrien FIred Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:09 am

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davetherave wrote:
PKC wrote:From what I've heard though, the players HATED playing for Therrien. So whether external factors added up to lead to his dismissal or whether he was just not a good coach, the fact remains that his players disliked him.

Scotty Bowman's players hated him too. Didn't stop Scotty from winning more Stanley Cups than any other coach.

And the first thing Cory Clouston said was that he wasn't there to be the players' friend.

IMHO Spector has it nailed. The Pens lost too many core and supporting players. Therrien paid for Shero's decisions.

This was my take on the situation back on January 9th.

http://www.gmhockey.com/pittsburgh-flightless-birds-f34/pittsburgh-right-where-they-should-be-t1336.htm


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23Coach Michel Therrien FIred - Page 2 Empty Re: Coach Michel Therrien FIred Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:36 am

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FINALLY!!

I've been calling for this move for a LONG time now. Therrien is in over his head. PEriod.
Now, that being said, he's obviously paying for Shero's blunders, one of specifically the blowing-of-his-load to land Hossa and then let him walk...

Shero has a LOT of decisions to make, and don't be surprised if you see Pat Quinn behind the Pens bench VERY soon, just in time to push for a post-season surge!

24Coach Michel Therrien FIred - Page 2 Empty Re: Coach Michel Therrien FIred Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:57 am

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ESPN's Scott Burnside has a rather scathing view of the Penguins' firing of Michel Therrien.

Here's an excerpt and link:

Firing Therrien was easy out for Pens
by Scott Burnside ESPN.com, February 16, 2009

So much for loyalty.

So much for the plan.

So much for not taking the easy way out.

Just 57 games after Michel Therrien was feted for coaching the Pittsburgh Penguins to their first Stanley Cup finals since 1992, he was tossed under the coaching bus by the underachieving Penguins on Sunday. He became the third coach that either reached the Cup finals or won it all to be fired since the end of last season (Tampa Bay fired John Tortorella and Carolina dismissed Peter Laviolette).

Whatever the Penguins had failed to do this season -- and that list is long and mostly bleak -- Therrien deserved better than this.

More here:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?columnist=burnside_scott&id=3910141

There are reasons why coaches have short shelf lives, and age prematurely. The pressure on them to win is, in many cases, unrelenting.

You have to wonder why GMs and fans think firing a coach is a 'quick fix'. But as they say, that's the business.

You look at Buffalo with Lindy Ruff, Minnesota with Jacques Lemaire and Nashville with Barry Trotz. They've been in their jobs a relatively long time. Would their teams have been made better by firing them? Instead, one hears about how these coaches have overachieved with changes and gaps in personnel.

Why didn't Therrien get the chance to work through a situation where he didn't have the players to make it all happen? He's the one who took them from the bottom to the top in the first place.

As far as the 'what's he won?' cliche goes, there is only one team that has won the Stanley Cup more than once in this decade--Detroit--and only one coach who has won the Cup more than once in the last fifteen years--Scotty Bowman.

Bowman is legendary for being hated by his players. From what I have read about Bowman, he makes Therrien look like a sunny vacation.

Aaron Ward's stories about Bowman can be found here:
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Sports/amazing+tale+Bruins+boisterous/1263409/story.html
From the story:

A certain legend named Scotty Bowman decided Ward would be his whipping boy. And man, could Scotty whip. In fact, for years Ward thought his middle name was "freaking" (or a cousin of that word), because all he ever heard was "Aaron Freaking Ward." "Scotty was very effective because he would strike fear in the hearts of his players by using some guys as examples. Most of the time, I was that example," Ward says. The Scotty stories are plentiful, and sadly, unrepeatable in a newspaper.

And regarding players liking or hating coaches--or as the fashionable phrase goes, 'tuning them out', doesn't being paid enormous amounts of money preclude the right to having your personal emotions get in the way of doing your job to the best of your ability?

25Coach Michel Therrien FIred - Page 2 Empty Re: Coach Michel Therrien FIred Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:59 am

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Speaking of Scotty Bowman, The Name Dropper made some cryptic comments that almost sounded like he had a hand in firing Therrien... Weird.

26Coach Michel Therrien FIred - Page 2 Empty Re: Coach Michel Therrien FIred Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:09 am

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SSF, are you talking about Pierre McGuire's comments this morning?
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27Coach Michel Therrien FIred - Page 2 Empty Re: Coach Michel Therrien FIred Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:44 am

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darn, who am going to make fun of now?

Therrien looks like E.T.

28Coach Michel Therrien FIred - Page 2 Empty Re: Coach Michel Therrien FIred Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:49 am

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davetherave wrote:SSF, are you talking about Pierre McGuire's comments this morning?
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Yes I am. He was saying something about not being able to breach confidence regarding Pittsburgh and that he was on the phone for several hours on Sunday night.

McGuire is charting the course of NHL franchises from the shadows now. He's like a one-man Bilderberg Group.

29Coach Michel Therrien FIred - Page 2 Empty Re: Coach Michel Therrien FIred Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:55 am

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I'm metally challenged searching this site to find an old post, but I did say the Penguins would implode and likely miss the playoffs. I also predicted that Carey Price would pull a "Raycroft"

30Coach Michel Therrien FIred - Page 2 Empty Re: Coach Michel Therrien FIred Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:33 am

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SeawaySensFan wrote:
davetherave wrote:SSF, are you talking about Pierre McGuire's comments this morning?
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Yes I am. He was saying something about not being able to breach confidence regarding Pittsburgh and that he was on the phone for several hours on Sunday night.

McGuire is charting the course of NHL franchises from the shadows now. He's like a one-man Bilderberg Group.

SSF...McGuire as Bilderberg? LOL...he's more like Rona Barrett--gossip queen of the NHL.

31Coach Michel Therrien FIred - Page 2 Empty Re: Coach Michel Therrien FIred Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:00 pm

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504Heater wrote:This is long overdue. They had tuned him out completely and as others have pointed out, the Pens' lineup is a shadow of what it once was.

Renney and Carbo are next. I'm half expecting to hear Carbo's done tomorrow. The Habs look clueless.

How can you half expect somethin'? Wink


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32Coach Michel Therrien FIred - Page 2 Empty Re: Coach Michel Therrien FIred Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:24 pm

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Number Twenty Nine wrote:I'm metally challenged searching this site to find an old post, but I did say the Penguins would implode and likely miss the playoffs. I also predicted that Carey Price would pull a "Raycroft"

You mean when we all predicted the East and the standings? I'll conjure that up, I bet it's neat to see what we all wrote.

33Coach Michel Therrien FIred - Page 2 Empty Re: Coach Michel Therrien FIred Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:29 pm

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504Heater wrote:
Number Twenty Nine wrote:I'm metally challenged searching this site to find an old post, but I did say the Penguins would implode and likely miss the playoffs. I also predicted that Carey Price would pull a "Raycroft"

You mean when we all predicted the East and the standings? I'll conjure that up, I bet it's neat to see what we all wrote.

I think so. I can't remember what I had for breakfast, but somehow I can remember what I wrote in a forum 6 months ago - lol

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