POLL: Chris Neil - Your call

Jordo · 46 Re: POLL: Chris Neil - Your call Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:53 pm

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Sorry, I should have flopped Kelly and Vermette at the C position, just a brain fart.... Vermette is on his last year in this team though.. He's gone, maybe even at the deadline.

Hayden · 47 Re: POLL: Chris Neil - Your call Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:13 pm

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What about trading him at the deadline and resigning him the summer? Or trading him at the deadline and resigning him 2-3 years down the line when we're a contender again.

He's not going to want to continue to fight 10+ times a season as he gets older - it's really a tough call on this one.

Neil is one of the genuine nice guys on the sens (spezza is another) - always friendly and he always talks to you like you're on the same level.

I also can't see him wanted to raise his family in many other cities (Canadian but a huge city).

PTFlea · 48 Re: POLL: Chris Neil - Your call Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:21 pm

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Jordo wrote:We don't need him. McGuire made a good point about Detroit this morning. They go after raw talent, who cares about fighters. If you don't have a fighter on your team, you don't get in fights, big deal. It's better to have guys who can play than guys who are only there to fight. I think you're going to see the Laraques and McGrattans of the league begin to become extinct and more teams follow this train of thought.

That being said, Neil is a good piece because he brings alot more than just fighting. He's a fantastic 4th line guy. Why we don't run him with Ruutu and Bass on our 4th line is beyond me. Our lineup right now (if fully healthy) should be like this:

Alfredsson-Spezza-Heatley
Fisher-Regin-Foligno
Vermette-Kelly-Donovan
Ruutu-Bass-Neil

That's it. McAmmond isn't worth much IMO, Schubert is a defenseman. Winchester, I could take or leave.

Dare to take Shannon off the 2nd line!!?

Actually, I'm only half kidding, I love Ryan Shannon. Maybe it's because Murray Diddle our secondary scoring so much by not resigning...Stillman (almost PPG in Florida!), maybe it's his speed, his cycling, his backcheck. I love him.

Same with Winchester actually, but I see him as a full time checker with Kelly (if we have to keep Kelly that is).

Guest · 49 Re: POLL: Chris Neil - Your call Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:34 pm

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Jordo wrote:We don't need him. McGuire made a good point about Detroit this morning. They go after raw talent, who cares about fighters. If you don't have a fighter on your team, you don't get in fights, big deal. It's better to have guys who can play than guys who are only there to fight. I think you're going to see the Laraques and McGrattans of the league begin to become extinct and more teams follow this train of thought.

That being said, Neil is a good piece because he brings alot more than just fighting. He's a fantastic 4th line guy. Why we don't run him with Ruutu and Bass on our 4th line is beyond me. Our lineup right now (if fully healthy) should be like this:

Alfredsson-Spezza-Heatley
Fisher-Regin-Foligno
Vermette-Kelly-Donovan
Ruutu-Bass-Neil

That's it. McAmmond isn't worth much IMO, Schubert is a defenseman. Winchester, I could take or leave.

I think MacGuire's hard-on for Detroit will die with the retirement of Lidstrom. There is no one guy who has had an impact on the long term success of a franchise than Lidstrom.

If you look at every other current successful club you can point to the use of a hard nosed player in the lineup. Take Boston and you have three (all of whom can play) Chara, Lucic and Thorton. San Jose has Shelley. I think the arguement is silly.

wprager · 50 Re: POLL: Chris Neil - Your call Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:40 pm

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I was going to say the same thing about Shannon, but I was too intrigued to see a 6 for 7 face off guy centering the second line. Faceoffs is something you never do well right off the bat, but get better at with experience. NHL top face of guys can be really tough on rookies. Granted, he didn't face the best but holy crap that was a good percentage, and he was playing second line, not against a 4th line plug-in.

On a completely unrelated note, can we expand our smut-cleaner vocabulary? All we have is a noun. We need verbs (present, past and future), adjectives, compoud adjective:

diddle (n, v present)
diddled (v past)
will diddle (v future)
diddling (v infinitive, or adjective)
diddlin' (adj, alternate spelling)

You get the drift.

504Heater wrote:

Jordo wrote:We don't need him. McGuire made a good point about Detroit this morning. They go after raw talent, who cares about fighters. If you don't have a fighter on your team, you don't get in fights, big deal. It's better to have guys who can play than guys who are only there to fight. I think you're going to see the Laraques and McGrattans of the league begin to become extinct and more teams follow this train of thought.

That being said, Neil is a good piece because he brings alot more than just fighting. He's a fantastic 4th line guy. Why we don't run him with Ruutu and Bass on our 4th line is beyond me. Our lineup right now (if fully healthy) should be like this:

Alfredsson-Spezza-Heatley
Fisher-Regin-Foligno
Vermette-Kelly-Donovan
Ruutu-Bass-Neil

That's it. McAmmond isn't worth much IMO, Schubert is a defenseman. Winchester, I could take or leave.

Dare to take Shannon off the 2nd line!!?

Actually, I'm only half kidding, I love Ryan Shannon. Maybe it's because Murray Diddle our secondary scoring so much by not resigning...Stillman (almost PPG in Florida!), maybe it's his speed, his cycling, his backcheck. I love him.

Same with Winchester actually, but I see him as a full time checker with Kelly (if we have to keep Kelly that is).

Guest · 51 Re: POLL: Chris Neil - Your call Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:58 am

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Trade him at the deadline for a prospect, and try to resign him for 1.5-2 million in July. He's stated he'd rather be here, so maybe he does the Tkachuk for us :D

caissie_1 · 52 Re: POLL: Chris Neil - Your call Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:18 am

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hemlock wrote:Trade him at the deadline for a prospect, and try to resign him for 1.5-2 million in July. He's stated he'd rather be here, so maybe he does the Tkachuk for us :D

That would be the idea situation. We trade him. He get's a shot at the cup and then he resign's in Ottawa! He love's it here and live's here so im sure we could get him back!

davetherave · 53 Re: POLL: Chris Neil - Your call Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:29 am

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If Neil is traded, the chances of him coming back to Ottawa--based on the trend of 'rental players'--are probably only 50-50 at best. Many choose to test the UFA market; I can remember only a few who have returned to the team that traded them.

We can cite Campbell, Hossa, Forsberg, Weight and Guerin being in the former category, with Tkachuk being the exception.

caissie_1 · 54 Re: POLL: Chris Neil - Your call Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:31 am

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I also belive Mark Recchi and Doug Weigth have done it. I see it possible with Neil but also once the UFA market oppens it's a different ball game. If a team offers more then the Sens, he will be tempted.

davetherave · 55 Re: POLL: Chris Neil - Your call Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:39 am

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Caissie, from what I have researched Mark Recchi did NOT return to his former team. In 07-08 he was traded from the Pens to the Thrash and then signed with the Bolts.

caissie_1 · 56 Re: POLL: Chris Neil - Your call Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:41 am

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Not last year but i think it was the year he won the cup with the Hurricanes. Yes he did. He played fo Pitsburgh then was traded to Carolina and returne to the penguins in the off season.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=4478

davetherave · 57 Re: POLL: Chris Neil - Your call Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:43 am

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Caissie, you are correct...I missed that one.

Guest · 58 Re: POLL: Chris Neil - Your call Thu Feb 12, 2009 7:21 pm

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i love the guy, wish he be in montreal ... seriously ...

davetherave · 59 Re: POLL: Chris Neil - Your call Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:31 pm

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Howie Morenz also played for the Black Hawks :D

beedub · 60 Re: POLL: Chris Neil - Your call Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:59 am

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Only trade him if he wants more than 1.5 mil.

He's great on this team, but he has to fit the budget

Phoenix30 · 61 Re: POLL: Chris Neil - Your call Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:34 pm

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I'd advise him that we are very interested in resigning him on July 1 but would like to take advantage of his value and get some return to further build the team. If Neil really likes being here and playing for the team he would be open to moving and then coming back in the off season knowing he helped the team by gaining another asset.

wprager · 62 Re: POLL: Chris Neil - Your call Sat Feb 14, 2009 3:58 pm

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I don't think this has been posted:
Sens won't Neil down to winger

Senators GM Bryan Murray told Sun
Media yesterday that he's held talks with Neil's agent, Todd Reynolds,
about a contract extension, but the sides aren't close to a deal and
that could mean Murray will trade the 29-year-old Neil rather than risk
losing him as an unrestricted free agent in the off-season.

... and

An NHL executive estimated Neil
could get more than $2 million on the open market this summer, but it
may difficult for Murray to pony up that much.

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POLL: Chris Neil - Your call

46 Re: POLL: Chris Neil - Your call Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:53 pm

Jordo

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Hayden

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PTFlea

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Guest

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wprager

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Guest

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caissie_1

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davetherave

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caissie_1

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davetherave

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caissie_1

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davetherave

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Guest

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davetherave

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beedub

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