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Can Ottawa survive a rebuild?

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46Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? - Page 4 Empty Re: Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:46 am

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dear lord... What hasn't technology thought of?!?

47Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? - Page 4 Empty Re: Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:47 am

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Cap'n Clutch wrote:I'm really glad I'll not have to make that choice for some time to come. Right now my little one is 5 months and if we have another it won't be for a while yet. If one or both of them (If we have another) want to get involved in Hockey it will be a few years away. Even then my Wife and I will likely be making more money than we do now. I don't eny your position. Having to choose Hockey for your child over Season tickets sounds like a no brainer but it still causes disappointment right?

Yes, but we've decided to essentially keep the tickets (assuming price is still reasonable), and then sell 20-30 games to either friends or on the ticket exchange.

48Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? - Page 4 Empty Re: Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:48 am

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That would be so random lol You'd see some guy walking down the aisle towards a row of full seats, then he walks past a bunch of "people" who don't move or react, then he sits on some lady and all of a sudden its just the guy...

49Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? - Page 4 Empty Re: Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:49 am

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Cap'n Clutch wrote:I'm really glad I'll not have to make that choice for some time to come. Right now my little one is 5 months and if we have another it won't be for a while yet. If one or both of them (If we have another) want to get involved in Hockey it will be a few years away. Even then my Wife and I will likely be making more money than we do now. I don't eny your position. Having to choose Hockey for your child over Season tickets sounds like a no brainer but it still causes disappointment right?

Honestly, if that was me, it wouldnt even matter, its the kids all the way. I help coach some youth hockey and at the end of the day, watching kids you help, who play for the love of the game, is a lot more satisfying than watching an NHL game.

Cant imagine what it would be like when I have kids, my parents said they would pay anyways haha.

50Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? - Page 4 Empty Re: Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:12 pm

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Neely4Life wrote:
Cap'n Clutch wrote:I'm really glad I'll not have to make that choice for some time to come. Right now my little one is 5 months and if we have another it won't be for a while yet. If one or both of them (If we have another) want to get involved in Hockey it will be a few years away. Even then my Wife and I will likely be making more money than we do now. I don't eny your position. Having to choose Hockey for your child over Season tickets sounds like a no brainer but it still causes disappointment right?

Honestly, if that was me, it wouldnt even matter, its the kids all the way. I help coach some youth hockey and at the end of the day, watching kids you help, who play for the love of the game, is a lot more satisfying than watching an NHL game.

Cant imagine what it would be like when I have kids, my parents said they would pay anyways haha.

At christmas I just sat and listened to my husband and his family talk about what it was like growing up. He was dumb founded to find out that while his dad and mom had decent jobs, they went without a lot of months to make sure the kids had good equipement for hockey or their fees were paid.

He never knew that his parents went years some times without new shoes or suits/clothes, just to ensure that the kids got to play their sport, or take music lessons or whatever.

I decided what kind of parent I wanted to be when I heard my father-in-law say, there was never a question, we simply choose to let you guys grow up doing what you loved rather than take that away from you.

That's what being a parent is about. Willing to do without for yourself, to make sure your child has as normal a life as they can.

51Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? - Page 4 Empty Re: Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:15 pm

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Thats basically what my parents did as well, never be able to repay them for what they gave up. Its not like I was playing house league hockey, playing AA, AAA all winter and summer. Its unreal how much money that cost.

52Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? - Page 4 Empty Re: Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:48 pm

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Dawg's Wife wrote:
Dash wrote:Just to continue the devils advocate role... last night's attendance was a 5 year low... 16,541. Pretty bad. Just goes to show that fans will not go watch a struggling team.

The worst part is most of the empty seats were in the 20-30 dollar range.

We're not talking about big dollars. For those that want ticket prices lowered, don't hold your breath. Tickets are already among the lowest in the NHL and to be honest, if you can't spare 30.00 to go to an nhl game then really what are you looking for?

Teams like Tampa, Florida, Phoenix have to offer tickets for 10.00 as no one absolutely no one will go and pay more than that.

I find it funny that people will pay $$$ when the team does well, but when it struggles they won't. Maybe that's why Ottawa is regarded as one of the worst sports towns in North America (to those outside Ottawa). The perception, right or wrong, is that fans will only go when the team is doing great.

11 years of making the playoffs, you know that there was going to be some down time eventually. I'm happy that they are struggling in a year when the draft is so strong. At least they have a chance to rebuild with drafting some better players.

Sorry to say this, but stop Wing Dang Doodle and appreciate what you have. My friends in Winnipeg are all wishing they still had their team and dream of a day when the NHL may return. They all to a man say they would take a team that would only win 25 games or less a year, just to have a team back.

DW

Well said DW, before Ottawa came along, I was a Jets fan, not a Leaf fan nor a Habs fan.

I would love to see a team back in the 'Peg, although the MTS center IMO is a little too small

53Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? - Page 4 Empty Re: Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:50 pm

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beedub wrote:
Well said DW, before Ottawa came along, I was a Jets fan, not a Leaf fan nor a Habs fan.

I would love to see a team back in the 'Peg, although the MTS center IMO is a little too small

I think "a little too small" is far better than a lot of empty seats.

54Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? - Page 4 Empty Re: Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:53 pm

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Man, Should I be able to return to the Motherland of Ottawa, I'd be a season ticket holder even if they won 1 and lost 81!!

Seriously, what is up with some Ottawa residents/fans?!?!

55Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? - Page 4 Empty Re: Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:15 pm

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ElliottRules wrote:I answered Yes. I think the city and fans would support the rebuild as long as the organization is honest and they find a way to entice fans to go to the games during that time.

Well said. Ottawa is a great hockey town and the fans will support the Sens if management doesn't BS them.

Especially if they bring exciting young players to Ottawa who play their tails off every night.

56Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? - Page 4 Empty Re: Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:16 pm

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davetherave wrote:
ElliottRules wrote:I answered Yes. I think the city and fans would support the rebuild as long as the organization is honest and they find a way to entice fans to go to the games during that time.

Well said. Ottawa is a great hockey town and the fans will support the Sens if management doesn't BS them.

Especially if they bring exciting young players to Ottawa who play their tails off every night.

I think so too. WHen fans of other teams mention that the Sens don't sell out every home game, they forget that on any given game night the 67s are packing over 10 000 fans into the civic centre. I think Ottawa is a fantastic hockey town.

Im also of the opinion that the Sens don't need to rebuild. I think a retool is in order, but to rebuild suggests that the team blows itself up and starts from scratch. I don't think thats neccesary.

Another horrible season, maybe I'll change my opinion. But then the Sens would have 2 top 5 picks ready to join the team, so who knows Razz

57Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? - Page 4 Empty Re: Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:24 pm

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Looks like the fans are not coming out anymore. Attendance is dropping with the play of the team.

58Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? - Page 4 Empty Re: Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:29 pm

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I am ready to survive a rebuild. We have been dealing with mediocrity for the last 3 seasons or so, we can handle it!

59Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? - Page 4 Empty Re: Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? Sat Dec 04, 2010 10:10 pm

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I think if the Sens went for a rebuild it could be done in short order. I also think their average attendance would be close to and possibly better than what it will be for this season.

60Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? - Page 4 Empty Re: Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? Sat Dec 04, 2010 10:42 pm

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dennycrane wrote:I think if the Sens went for a rebuild it could be done in short order. I also think their average attendance would be close to and possibly better than what it will be for this season.

Short order is right. The defence is practically done with Karlsson, Cowen, Rundblad and Wiercioch. We've also got Lehner in the pipeline. Add some forwards and we'd well on our way. 3 years from now we could be relatively competitive again (not this pretend competitive Murray wants us to believe). At that point, Spezza will be hitting his prime and guys like Regin, Foligno and Butler will hopefully be mainstays in scoring roles.

61Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? - Page 4 Empty Re: Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? Sun Dec 05, 2010 10:08 am

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I wonder what the longest timespan between bumps is?

62Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? - Page 4 Empty Re: Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? Sun Dec 05, 2010 10:36 am

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hemlock wrote:
dennycrane wrote:I think if the Sens went for a rebuild it could be done in short order. I also think their average attendance would be close to and possibly better than what it will be for this season.

Short order is right. The defence is practically done with Karlsson, Cowen, Rundblad and Wiercioch. We've also got Lehner in the pipeline. Add some forwards and we'd well on our way. 3 years from now we could be relatively competitive again (not this pretend competitive Murray wants us to believe). At that point, Spezza will be hitting his prime and guys like Regin, Foligno and Butler will hopefully be mainstays in scoring roles.

Let's not forget that Bingo is not indicative of the offensive talent that this team has. Sure, Butler, O'Brien, and Condra are having great years down there but we've got guys like Caporusso, Costello, Grant putting up points in the CCHA, Sorenson and Silfverberg are having nice seasons in their respective SELs, and Mark Stone has 37 points in 29 games in Brandon.

If one or two of these guys amount to top six forward we're in good shape moving forward. We've got a lot of cap room for next season, and assets that could be traded at the deadline to bring in more picks/prospects.

63Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? - Page 4 Empty Re: Can Ottawa survive a rebuild? Sun Dec 05, 2010 10:52 am

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Kovalfie wrote:
hemlock wrote:
dennycrane wrote:I think if the Sens went for a rebuild it could be done in short order. I also think their average attendance would be close to and possibly better than what it will be for this season.

Short order is right. The defence is practically done with Karlsson, Cowen, Rundblad and Wiercioch. We've also got Lehner in the pipeline. Add some forwards and we'd well on our way. 3 years from now we could be relatively competitive again (not this pretend competitive Murray wants us to believe). At that point, Spezza will be hitting his prime and guys like Regin, Foligno and Butler will hopefully be mainstays in scoring roles.

Let's not forget that Bingo is not indicative of the offensive talent that this team has. Sure, Butler, O'Brien, and Condra are having great years down there but we've got guys like Caporusso, Costello, Grant putting up points in the CCHA, Sorenson and Silfverberg are having nice seasons in their respective SELs, and Mark Stone has 37 points in 29 games in Brandon.

If one or two of these guys amount to top six forward we're in good shape moving forward. We've got a lot of cap room for next season, and assets that could be traded at the deadline to bring in more picks/prospects.

Good point. There are several reasons for optimism going forward. Even if we were to initiate a rebuild, some of the groundwork has been done by some shrewd drafting, particularly mid and late round.

From that list, Stone and Sorenson are particularly exciting prospects, while Butler and O'Brien may be ready sooner rather than later.

Timely post Kovalfie. ThumbsUp

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