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31Significant Ottawa Rumour - Page 3 Empty Re: Significant Ottawa Rumour Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:55 pm

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I third that Bow is overated. What i dont understand is why you guys are arguing Volchy vs. Bow when they CLEARLY complement each other perfectly and would form a dominant defensive line....

32Significant Ottawa Rumour - Page 3 Empty Re: Significant Ottawa Rumour Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:08 pm

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How is he overrated????????
Someone, for the love of God, present some proof that he's overrated.

33Significant Ottawa Rumour - Page 3 Empty Re: Significant Ottawa Rumour Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:37 pm

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I think JB is quite good, but he will be looking for more money than Campbell. JB just turned 25 and is now entering his prime. He will be offered 5 yr. X 7.5 mil. MINIMUM if he hits the open market. The Leafs would definitely open their wallets for him. Campbell is not an elite D-man in my opinion, but rather an elite offensive D-man. It is the offense that brings in the dough.

34Significant Ottawa Rumour - Page 3 Empty Re: Significant Ottawa Rumour Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:37 pm

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Dawg's Wife wrote:
BigRig77 wrote:
with that being said, the world knows that Alfie's going nowhere so then it's Volchie...

If you look at who we want...Jay Bo....I'm thinking the only way we would land him is if we give Martin what he wants....Vermette and Volchenkov and a pick (bidding war price).

Would I do it? Yes. Does it benefit both teams? Yes.

As much as it's not really talked about but Anton's contract is up end of next year and he's going to want a big raise. He hasn't been blocking shots with his face for nothing...he's a warrior and has given a lot for this team but:

1) I don't think we'll be able to afford him after next year
2) The Sens will keep Philips over him
3) You've got to give to get and we need Jay Bo more than anything right now


Look at the Sens D in 2 years and it could look like this

Philips
Lee
Picard
Bowmeester
Karlson
Smith or SChubert...or (for the love of God maybe) Richardson(!)

either way you look at it, I don't see Anton getting re-signed after he diggs in at demanding 4 Million a season.

Volchenkov isn't going anywhere.

To trade him and Vermette plus a pick for J Bo is crazy. It's overkill, and you're not really improving your team because you get rid of one shut down d-man for an offensive guy who is a UFA. The only way any deal with J Bo gets done before the deadline is if a team has an oportunity to talk to him about an extension.

Murray isn't an idiot and while vermette is likely the guy going wherever you'll not see Volchenkov going, more likely Schubert.

The guys on the trading block right now.

Vermette, Schubert, McCammond, Neil, Donovan, Gerber

Next bubble guys,

Kelly, Foligno, Fisher, Kuba

Everyone else is pretty much safe. With that said Spezza is gone if the right deal comes along, but Murray has stated that there are very few Centremen in this league capable of 100 pts a season, so any deal for Spezza has to be huge. He admitted yesterday on a Sportsnet Article I read that he has offers for Spezza right now, but trading him doesn't make Ottawa a better team.

Sorry..I Meant Jay Bo WITH extension signed for 5 or 6yrs.

I would love to get Jay for Vermette and SChubert and a Pick but when you consider a bidding war...

35Significant Ottawa Rumour - Page 3 Empty Re: Significant Ottawa Rumour Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:39 pm

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He's definitely not overrated though. He's good at what he does, which is score, move the puck, and play solid defense.

Asq2, didn't mean to come across as hostile.

36Significant Ottawa Rumour - Page 3 Empty Re: Significant Ottawa Rumour Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:42 pm

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DashRiprock wrote:He's definitely not overrated though. He's good at what he does, which is score, move the puck, and play solid defense.

Asq2, didn't mean to come across as hostile.


Just to bring a little optimism in here....


Wouldn't it be great if we had BOTH Bowmeester and Volchnekov?

it could happen and don't be too surprised if it does....

37Significant Ottawa Rumour - Page 3 Empty Re: Significant Ottawa Rumour Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:44 pm

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Of course it could happen, I never said anything about not having Volchenkov, I just pointed out they are total opposites. One if more offensive, while the other is purely defensive. They'd eb a sick pairing. I'm not a big fan of having both Phillips and Volchenkov on a 5-on-5 pairing, they need to be paired each with a PMD.

38Significant Ottawa Rumour - Page 3 Empty Re: Significant Ottawa Rumour Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:54 pm

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DashRiprock wrote:Of course it could happen, I never said anything about not having Volchenkov, I just pointed out they are total opposites. One if more offensive, while the other is purely defensive. They'd eb a sick pairing. I'm not a big fan of having both Phillips and Volchenkov on a 5-on-5 pairing, they need to be paired each with a PMD.

Agreed. Not to mention those two together would be the backbone of our D for the next 6 years.

39Significant Ottawa Rumour - Page 3 Empty Re: Significant Ottawa Rumour Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:54 pm

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PKC wrote:
How could you possibly know that? Maybe he'd be content to give up some money to play on a decent team for once in his career. Besides, even if he wants 7 million, let's say, given that the majority of people would have given that to Brian Campbell why is it such a problem to give it to Bouwmeester.

He might not be Lidstrom, but he'd easily be the best defender on about 85% of teams in the league.

The market is primed for his guy to make 7.5 easily. There's no other substantial puck movers out there that are available like this. It's easy to think he'd command more than Brian Campbell.

40Significant Ottawa Rumour - Page 3 Empty Re: Significant Ottawa Rumour Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:57 pm

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That being said, there's another option here.

We trade what we need to trade to acquire him. Vermette, Lee, 1st rounder with the hope that you can talk Bow into signing a 7 X 7 or a 7.5 X 6. If he says 'he'll think about it' , then we would still have one of the biggest trade chips in the history of this franchise. We would lose young talent to get him, then we hopefully resign him, but we could get all that back and more if we feel like he won't sign here in the off-season - by trading him at the deadline.

I think the time to get him is now. Get him, hope that by January 15th (Feb. 1st latest) he's made a decision on re-signing or not - and if he hasn't another massive trade comes down - and now WE'RE in the position of strength.

This is where GMs get the big $$, I hope Murray's POUNDING on Martin's door right now - knowing that no matter what happens, Bow will be an awesome comodity to have.

41Significant Ottawa Rumour - Page 3 Empty Re: Significant Ottawa Rumour Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:01 pm

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At the same time though, Martin knows exactly that as well.

42Significant Ottawa Rumour - Page 3 Empty Re: Significant Ottawa Rumour Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:05 pm

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PKC wrote:At the same time though, Martin knows exactly that as well.

No, but that's why he's gonna have to be happy with the package we offer. If he has legit interest in Vermette/Kelly, Lee/Picard and the 1st/Foligno, then why wait if you're him. They can still turn their season around and no matter what happens, this is a package that I personally feel is very competitive, he's not likely to do too much better at deadline. Win/win situation IMO.

43Significant Ottawa Rumour - Page 3 Empty Re: Significant Ottawa Rumour Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:16 pm

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You can't guess that Bouwmeester will make Campbell money when guys like Weber, Phaneuf, Green, and Burns are all making less. And guys like Getzlaf, Perry, Kopitar, Richards, etc are all making less than Spezza, Drury, Gomez, etc.

44Significant Ottawa Rumour - Page 3 Empty Re: Significant Ottawa Rumour Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:31 pm

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All the guys you mentioned are guys that had RFA years purchased as well as the MUCH more valuable UFA years. So using Weber as an example: he had a couple of years where he was an RFA, so they'd say, okay 3 and 3 for those years, then after that when you're a UFA, we go to 6 and we want three of your UFA years.

So it's 6 million total for his two RFA years and then 18 million dollars for the 3 years of UFA he's giving up. So it's 24 million dollars on a 5 year deal and a cap hit of 4.8, which is pretty close to what Weber's getting I believe.

In Bouwmeester's case, he received a considerable sum for his final RFA year and after this season is entering the unbelievably comptetive open market.

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