GDT - Game #1: Leafs @ Sens, Oct 12, 2016, 7pm

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Did somebody say Tonight tonight tonnniight?  Oh oh!


You're welcome PTFlea my co-owner in crime!

Gonna make it right?

tim1_2 wrote:Sens Lines:

Hoffman - Turris - Stone
Smith - Brassard - Ryan
Varone - Pageau - Pyatt
Dzingel - Kelly - Neil

Methot - Karlsson
Phaneuf - Ceci
Boro - Wideman

Anderson

Pyatt on that third line.... Not sure about that.

Flo The Action wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Sens Lines:

Hoffman - Turris - Stone
Smith - Brassard - Ryan
Varone - Pageau - Pyatt
Dzingel - Kelly - Neil

Methot - Karlsson
Phaneuf - Ceci
Boro - Wideman

Anderson

Pyatt on that third line.... Not sure about that.

Who would you put in his place?

can't believe this day is finally here! I've been listening to Guy Boucher's first press conference all through the summer waiting in anticipation for this!

On a side note, I hope to see Puempel with Brass/Ryan and Smith down with Pageau at some point in the near future

Hoff-Machine wrote:can't believe this day is finally here!  I've been listening to Guy Boucher's first press conference all through the summer waiting in anticipation for this!

On a side note, I hope to see Puempel with Brass/Ryan and Smith down with Pageau at some point in the near future

Unless Smith really poops the bed, I don't think we'll see Puempel anywhere other than the press box, the 4th line, and then on the waiver wire.

PTFlea wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Did somebody say Tonight tonight tonnniight?  Oh oh!


You're welcome PTFlea my co-owner in crime!

Gonna make it right?

tim1_2 wrote:

Hoff-Machine wrote:can't believe this day is finally here!  I've been listening to Guy Boucher's first press conference all through the summer waiting in anticipation for this!

On a side note, I hope to see Puempel with Brass/Ryan and Smith down with Pageau at some point in the near future

Unless Smith really poops the bed, I don't think we'll see Puempel anywhere other than the press box, the 4th line, and then on the waiver wire.

I love how people "hope" to see Smith taken off that line. I personally hope he picks up where he left off last year.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

Hoff-Machine wrote:can't believe this day is finally here!  I've been listening to Guy Boucher's first press conference all through the summer waiting in anticipation for this!

On a side note, I hope to see Puempel with Brass/Ryan and Smith down with Pageau at some point in the near future

Unless Smith really poops the bed, I don't think we'll see Puempel anywhere other than the press box, the 4th line, and then on the waiver wire.

I love how people "hope" to see Smith taken off that line. I personally hope he picks up where he left off last year.

Don't take it to mean that I want Smith to fail, I think he just fits better with JGP, and so does Guy Boucher so up yours SSF

Also take it to also mean that Puempel finds his game otherwise that 2011 first round draft ain't looking too good

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Sens Lines:

Hoffman - Turris - Stone
Smith - Brassard - Ryan
Varone - Pageau - Pyatt
Dzingel - Kelly - Neil

Methot - Karlsson
Phaneuf - Ceci
Boro - Wideman

Anderson

Pyatt on that third line.... Not sure about that.

Who would you put in his place?

Dzingel, puempel or Varone?Well to be honest I'd probably slide down smith back to the third line and rearrange the other forwards. I prefer having someone that is a rookie playing with a couple of vets and try to make it work that way. Even in the top 6.

Hoff-Machine wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

Hoff-Machine wrote:can't believe this day is finally here!  I've been listening to Guy Boucher's first press conference all through the summer waiting in anticipation for this!

On a side note, I hope to see Puempel with Brass/Ryan and Smith down with Pageau at some point in the near future

Unless Smith really poops the bed, I don't think we'll see Puempel anywhere other than the press box, the 4th line, and then on the waiver wire.

I love how people "hope" to see Smith taken off that line. I personally hope he picks up where he left off last year.

Don't take it to mean that I want Smith to fail, I think he just fits better with JGP, and so does Guy Boucher so up yours SSF

Also take it to also mean that Puempel finds his game otherwise that 2011 first round draft ain't looking too good

Personally it's not that I want smith to fail, it's more that his shot% from last year was ridiculous and I highly doubt we'll see anything near that type of production this year. Better putting someone there who has a higher possibility to succeed. Even puempel who seems to work better off of better players.

Flo The Action wrote:

Hoff-Machine wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

Hoff-Machine wrote:can't believe this day is finally here!  I've been listening to Guy Boucher's first press conference all through the summer waiting in anticipation for this!

On a side note, I hope to see Puempel with Brass/Ryan and Smith down with Pageau at some point in the near future

Unless Smith really poops the bed, I don't think we'll see Puempel anywhere other than the press box, the 4th line, and then on the waiver wire.

I love how people "hope" to see Smith taken off that line. I personally hope he picks up where he left off last year.

Don't take it to mean that I want Smith to fail, I think he just fits better with JGP, and so does Guy Boucher so up yours SSF

Also take it to also mean that Puempel finds his game otherwise that 2011 first round draft ain't looking too good

Personally it's not that I want smith to fail, it's more that his shot% from last year was ridiculous and I highly doubt we'll see anything near that type of production this year. Better putting someone there who has a higher possibility to succeed. Even puempel who seems to work better off of better players.

I don't see how that's going to happen after a few hat tricks from Young Smitty.

Flo The Action wrote:

Hoff-Machine wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

Hoff-Machine wrote:can't believe this day is finally here!  I've been listening to Guy Boucher's first press conference all through the summer waiting in anticipation for this!

On a side note, I hope to see Puempel with Brass/Ryan and Smith down with Pageau at some point in the near future

Unless Smith really poops the bed, I don't think we'll see Puempel anywhere other than the press box, the 4th line, and then on the waiver wire.

I love how people "hope" to see Smith taken off that line. I personally hope he picks up where he left off last year.

Don't take it to mean that I want Smith to fail, I think he just fits better with JGP, and so does Guy Boucher so up yours SSF

Also take it to also mean that Puempel finds his game otherwise that 2011 first round draft ain't looking too good

Personally it's not that I want smith to fail, it's more that his shot% from last year was ridiculous and I highly doubt we'll see anything near that type of production this year. Better putting someone there who has a higher possibility to succeed. Even puempel who seems to work better off of better players.

Smith is the most likely to succeed in that spot from our available options. The only guys that could maybe move above Smith is Varone or Dzingel, and those are both long shots. Puempel has proven nothing at the NHL level. Varone showed more in his few preseason games than Puempel has shown in years at the pro level.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

Hoff-Machine wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

Hoff-Machine wrote:can't believe this day is finally here!  I've been listening to Guy Boucher's first press conference all through the summer waiting in anticipation for this!

On a side note, I hope to see Puempel with Brass/Ryan and Smith down with Pageau at some point in the near future

Unless Smith really poops the bed, I don't think we'll see Puempel anywhere other than the press box, the 4th line, and then on the waiver wire.

I love how people "hope" to see Smith taken off that line. I personally hope he picks up where he left off last year.

Don't take it to mean that I want Smith to fail, I think he just fits better with JGP, and so does Guy Boucher so up yours SSF

Also take it to also mean that Puempel finds his game otherwise that 2011 first round draft ain't looking too good

Personally it's not that I want smith to fail, it's more that his shot% from last year was ridiculous and I highly doubt we'll see anything near that type of production this year. Better putting someone there who has a higher possibility to succeed. Even puempel who seems to work better off of better players.

I don't see how that's going to happen after a few hat tricks from Young Smitty.

tim1_2 wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

Hoff-Machine wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

Hoff-Machine wrote:can't believe this day is finally here!  I've been listening to Guy Boucher's first press conference all through the summer waiting in anticipation for this!

On a side note, I hope to see Puempel with Brass/Ryan and Smith down with Pageau at some point in the near future

Unless Smith really poops the bed, I don't think we'll see Puempel anywhere other than the press box, the 4th line, and then on the waiver wire.

I love how people "hope" to see Smith taken off that line. I personally hope he picks up where he left off last year.

Don't take it to mean that I want Smith to fail, I think he just fits better with JGP, and so does Guy Boucher so up yours SSF

Also take it to also mean that Puempel finds his game otherwise that 2011 first round draft ain't looking too good

Personally it's not that I want smith to fail, it's more that his shot% from last year was ridiculous and I highly doubt we'll see anything near that type of production this year. Better putting someone there who has a higher possibility to succeed. Even puempel who seems to work better off of better players.

Smith is the most likely to succeed in that spot from our available options.  The only guys that could maybe move above Smith is Varone or Dzingel, and those are both long shots.  Puempel has proven nothing at the NHL level.  Varone showed more in his few preseason games than Puempel has shown in years at the pro level.

I agree that both dzingel and Varone could succeed but puempel might also. He's not the type of player to succeed with 4rth liners. He doesn't create much offence on his own. He's the kind to capitalize on chances. He needs good players to feed him those. If he is going to work it's going to have to be in the top 6. Possibly with pageau.
I'm not saying he's the best option but I also don't see him standing in the press box with only a 4th line spot ever opening up for him. If the org is going to try and give him a chance at one point it's with a good center.

I'm not interested in another mismanagement a la Shane Prince. Waive him to bingo if you aren't gonna use him and if you are going to use him give him a proper chance to succeed.

Flo The Action wrote:I'm not interested in another mismanagement a la Shane Prince. Waive him to bingo if you aren't gonna use him and if you are going to use him give him a proper chance to succeed.

Look at what Varone did in preseason playing on random lines. Puempel has never come close to that at any point in time. If you need other good players around you to do anything, then you're probably not that good yourself. I think he'll get in some games before he gets waived, but I see zero reason to put him on either of the top two lines. I imagine once we see Lazar recalled in a couple weeks, we'll see Puempel going the other way.

tim1_2 wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:I'm not interested in another mismanagement a la Shane Prince. Waive him to bingo if you aren't gonna use him and if you are going to use him give him a proper chance to succeed.

Look at what Varone did in preseason playing on random lines.  Puempel has never come close to that at any point in time.  If you need other good players around you to do anything, then you're probably not that good yourself.  I think he'll get in some games before he gets waived, but I see zero reason to put him on either of the top two lines.  I imagine once we see Lazar recalled in a couple weeks, we'll see Puempel going the other way.

I don't buy that. Some players are just much better when paired with better players. They need a good centerman to set them up, they also need to be playing on a line that is going to create chances as opposed to an energy line that is much more defensive.
I'm not saying puempel is the answer long term but what I'm saying is I don't think he can show us much on a fourth line. He just doesn't create his own offence the way a mark stone can.