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Ottawa right behinde Carolina when it comes to relocation candidates, says Friedman.

SpezDispensed wrote:He needs to make sure we make the playoffs and make sure we win a couple of rounds, I agree.  Winning is everything.   Without a cup, your legacy is Meh.

Really? Alfredsson's legacy is meh?
I agree that he would be regarded far bigger than his God statue had he won us a cup. But he still will haves lasting legacy that far outshines so many.

Ev wrote:Obviously he's a huge part of the team but the team would do something to fix it if he left. Just like how our previous franchise player left. Players retire and move on all the time. The sens would be fine in the long run. It's not like we'd be losing a player who brought us a Stanley cup

We didn't lose Alfie when he was a first liner and a 30-40 goal guy who did it all.
We lost him when he was a complementary 2nd line winger who was set to have a reduced importance on the team. I doubt that's what we expect from EK when his current contract expires.

Flo The Action wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:He needs to make sure we make the playoffs and make sure we win a couple of rounds, I agree.  Winning is everything.   Without a cup, your legacy is Meh.

Really? Alfredsson's legacy is meh?
I agree that he would be regarded far bigger than his God statue had he won us a cup. But he still will haves  lasting legacy that far outshines so many.

When you ask around the league nobody considers alfredsson a for sure hall of famer or even names him amongst the best. He was never able to take our team to the promised land in people's eyes, he's like Dan Marino.

Ev wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:He needs to make sure we make the playoffs and make sure we win a couple of rounds, I agree.  Winning is everything.   Without a cup, your legacy is Meh.

Really? Alfredsson's legacy is meh?
I agree that he would be regarded far bigger than his God statue had he won us a cup. But he still will haves  lasting legacy that far outshines so many.

When you ask around the league nobody considers alfredsson a for sure hall of famer or even names him amongst the best. He was never able to take our team to the promised land in people's eyes, he's like Dan Marino.

I'm not saying he has league wide legacy but he does in Ottawa.  And what you were comparing was loosing him at a time far from his prime as loosing karlsson would if he departed at the end of his current contract. I think am easy comparison for Alfie in some ways is Sundin.  Obviously not positional but in terms of importance to their respective teams. Toronto possessing more historical reference might never retire his jersey but in terms of HOF  consideration they average out.

I love Alfie and I love karlsson, but winning is number one

SpezDispensed wrote:I love Alfie and I love karlsson, but winning is number one

I agree but the failure IMO has not fallen on them not being able to deliver but from management(or the market) not providing a suitable supporting cast.
Crosby hasn't won a cup in what 7 or 8 years? Because it was pretty sad in Pittsburg. Well Rutherford has arguably done an alright job at providing depth and a support cast.

One guy can't do it alone. To put that on one player is ridiculous. But to say that that player isn't a big reason why you can't win a cup is also ridiculously. You need a couple of exceptional players it seems to win a cup. Look at all the last cups. L.A., Chicago, Detroit, Pittsburg, Anaheim  and even Boston. They all had a couple of elite players on their teams. And a support cast.

I'm not gonna pin it on any one player, but in Karlsson's case, the time is now, the team looks good with a couple of additions, but he also needs to make sure he's ready for this season, defensively as well as offensively and as a captain. It's time to take the next step as a team and he's front and center.

SpezDispensed wrote:I'm not gonna pin it on any one player, but in Karlsson's case, the time is now, the team looks good with a couple of additions,  but he also needs to make sure he's ready for this season, defensively as well as offensively and as a captain.  It's time to take the next step as a team and he's front and center.

I look less at how well Karlsson is doing(he'll be fine and he's training, he might bust 100 points this year) but more at the rest of the make up of the rest of the team.i don't trust MacArthur in the top 6. He can do fine but he's possibly one hit away from being out for the season. In any case I'd prefer him on the third line with pageau. And yes I think the time to move smith is this off season.
That leaves us with a top 6 hole on the LW and a hole on the third line RW? Then we still need a vet third pairing guy but that will be filled without much of a problem. Fill those needs and we are probably good to really compete. Of course Anderson needs to average or better but that's what I expect.

I really doubt we fill that top LW need and I'm even more afraid that we will deal Hoffman and we will have two top line LW void to fill.

Let's get to the off season tonight please, I need some trade action.

SpezDispensed wrote:Let's get to the off season tonight please,  I need some trade action.

Meh. I can wait till Wednesday

Game 7 please.

No thanks. Just end it.

Martin Jones deserves the conn smythe

Lol not a chance. Crosby should take it.

Kessel, crosby, Murray, they have a few candidates.

what a terrible final and playoffs. No dominating performances by any players. Crosby was the best player by far but still didn't put up many goals. Hockey is at its worst right now.

Pretty entertaining Final, but mainly because of Martin Jones.