Elections

spader wrote:

NEELY wrote:
Time to start living in the real world, child.  You support those who represent your country and do the job you wouldn't in a million years have the balls to actually do.  Once military is there they have no choice but to obey orders and they believe what they are doing is for the greater good.  

Guess what, if it wasn't for military interventions of the past this world of ours in our little bubble called Canada would have no where near the amount of rights we do now, especially women.  Again, grow up, get a job, get a life.

Source? That's a big claim, for which I'd bet you have no evidence except, "Well, if the Nazis had won..."

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Not all military intervention is so altruistic. Sometimes it's purely political and economic. I know you're not childish enough not to realise that.

There are definitely times when military intervention is necessary.  It's not black and white and its not all or nothing.  One can support the troops while not supporting the mission.

Flo The Action wrote:

Ev wrote:Didn't we go to Afghanistan under a Liberal government?

Yup. Bad idea also.
At least our involvements under liberals were minimal. I'm not saying liberals make perfect choices. My point is that the reasons why we are having the troubles we are having is because we keep backing the imperialistic actions of our neighbors to the south.
If we didn't get involved I doubt we'd ever become a target.
It's foolish to think that Muslim terrorist is aimed at converting the infidels as an agenda. They want leadership over their own region and by disturbing a place like Iraq we open up an entire region to them.
Afghanistan isn't better than when the taliban ruled there. And they will probably be back to where they were before we ever entered. It wasn't enough to convince people after the attack in America that we should enter Afghanistan, We entered with arguing excuse of the mistreatment done to women after 9/11 but they are still being stoned in the streets for exposing skin. And the taliban was a direct result of another military operation from the USSR into Afghanistan. Can we not learn to leave people alone and let them progress towards their own internal positive change? Slowly Iran is starting to change and turn a corner. And that's from the inside. It's their own youth and future generation that will bring about change. Aggressive Military intervention rarely amount to anything positive for a country's future.

LeCaptain wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Not all military intervention is so altruistic. Sometimes it's purely political and economic. I know you're not childish enough not to realise that.

There are definitely times when military intervention is necessary.  It's not black and white and its not all or nothing.  One can support the troops while not supporting the mission.

Amen. That's where I stand.

spader wrote:

NEELY wrote:
Time to start living in the real world, child.  You support those who represent your country and do the job you wouldn't in a million years have the balls to actually do.  Once military is there they have no choice but to obey orders and they believe what they are doing is for the greater good.  

Guess what, if it wasn't for military interventions of the past this world of ours in our little bubble called Canada would have no where near the amount of rights we do now, especially women.  Again, grow up, get a job, get a life.

Source? That's a big claim, for which I'd bet you have no evidence except, "Well, if the Nazis had won..."

Flo The Action wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

wprager wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

spader wrote:

Ev wrote:

LeCaptain wrote:

Ev wrote:wtf are people on about regarding the Conservatives instilling "fear" in Canadians? Who the hell is afraid in Canada? Afraid of what?

So why are we sending troops overseas again and have a full month (coming in 10 days) dedicated to the Army that is supposed to keep us "safe"?
If nobody is afraid, then I guess there's nothing to keep us safe from.

I support the forces so there's no point arguing this.

It's possible to support the forces without supporting the overseers. By that I mean that you can support the troops, but disagree with the mission.

Exactly. Why must people blindly follow in fear of not looking patriotic. The fact that support the troops is even a thing is because they want people to feel like it's either or. Who wouldn't support fellow Canadians. The problem is that people can vary in support of what the government is doing with them.

Not quite that simple.  You can argue all you want up until the decision is made.  Once the troops are overseas, you stop.  The debate is over, the decision has been made.  The men and women in uniform believe that this decision is the correct one.  You saying that it's wrong is not going to show then the kind of support they deserve.

That is exactly the tactic that gets started as soon as they want to stop any opposing ideology or opposition to the mission. "Shut up because our troops are there. Absolute media manipulation.

Time to start living in the real world, child.  You support those who represent your country and do the job you wouldn't in a million years have the balls to actually do.  Once military is there they have no choice but to obey orders and they believe what they are doing is for the greater good.  

Guess what, if it wasn't for military interventions of the past this world of ours in our little bubble called Canada would have no where near the amount of rights we do now, especially women.  Again, grow up, get a job, get a life.

Seriously Neely you're a little reactionary Wing Dang Doodle.
You are such a puppet for the right wing. You think no one has the right to actually argue against a mission you are so out of line. Actually you probably don't think anyone has a right to argue with you in anything.mthe problem with your logic is that if no one argues with any intervention than we stay in them until the bitter end. Yeah that worked Cussing well with Vietnam. Years later we all know that was a bad idea from the start. Iraq yes another brilliant plan.

So military intervention favours women in Canada? stfu
If anything the situation of women in Iraq and Afghanistan is far worse now than it used to be. If anything all we do is create a vacuum for fundamentalist forces to step in once we are out there "policing" the situation.
Seriously stop hiding behind your military agendas that we are doing the right thing because time after time it has shown that mission after mission has failed. So suck it buddy. Stick to talking hockey as it's clearly the only thing you are good at. Leave politics to those that have sensibilities to international consciousness and not a reactionary trigger happy superiority complex.

NEELY wrote:

LeCaptain wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Not all military intervention is so altruistic. Sometimes it's purely political and economic. I know you're not childish enough not to realise that.

There are definitely times when military intervention is necessary.  It's not black and white and its not all or nothing.  One can support the troops while not supporting the mission.

Amen. That's where I stand.

Unfortunately I haven't had the luxury most of my life to question the military as that's who my employer was, same as my father and my grandfather.  You shut the *uck up and do you job.

Again, you guys are all very comfortable from your own damn homes.

NEELY wrote:

LeCaptain wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Not all military intervention is so altruistic. Sometimes it's purely political and economic. I know you're not childish enough not to realise that.

There are definitely times when military intervention is necessary.  It's not black and white and its not all or nothing.  One can support the troops while not supporting the mission.

Amen. That's where I stand.

Unfortunately I haven't had the luxury most of my life to question the military as that's who my employer was, same as my father and my grandfather.  You shut the *uck up and do you job.

Again, you guys are all very comfortable from your own damn homes.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:

LeCaptain wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Not all military intervention is so altruistic. Sometimes it's purely political and economic. I know you're not childish enough not to realise that.

There are definitely times when military intervention is necessary.  It's not black and white and its not all or nothing.  One can support the troops while not supporting the mission.

Amen. That's where I stand.

Unfortunately I haven't had the luxury most of my life to question the military as that's who my employer was, same as my father and my grandfather.  You shut the *uck up and do you job.

Again, you guys are all very comfortable from your own damn homes.

I wish that more of our troops were comfortable in their own damn homes as well instead of risking their lives in some Dung hole for questionable reasons.

NEELY wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:

LeCaptain wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Not all military intervention is so altruistic. Sometimes it's purely political and economic. I know you're not childish enough not to realise that.

There are definitely times when military intervention is necessary.  It's not black and white and its not all or nothing.  One can support the troops while not supporting the mission.

Amen. That's where I stand.

Unfortunately I haven't had the luxury most of my life to question the military as that's who my employer was, same as my father and my grandfather.  You shut the *uck up and do you job.

Again, you guys are all very comfortable from your own damn homes.

I wish that more of our troops were comfortable in their own damn homes as well instead of risking their lives in some Dung hole for questionable reasons.

And any soldier you said that to would tell you to *uck right off like I am.

Flo The Action wrote:

wprager wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

spader wrote:

Ev wrote:

LeCaptain wrote:

Ev wrote:wtf are people on about regarding the Conservatives instilling "fear" in Canadians? Who the hell is afraid in Canada? Afraid of what?

So why are we sending troops overseas again and have a full month (coming in 10 days) dedicated to the Army that is supposed to keep us "safe"?
If nobody is afraid, then I guess there's nothing to keep us safe from.

I support the forces so there's no point arguing this.

It's possible to support the forces without supporting the overseers. By that I mean that you can support the troops, but disagree with the mission.

Exactly. Why must people blindly follow in fear of not looking patriotic. The fact that support the troops is even a thing is because they want people to feel like it's either or. Who wouldn't support fellow Canadians. The problem is that people can vary in support of what the government is doing with them.

Not quite that simple.  You can argue all you want up until the decision is made.  Once the troops are overseas, you stop.  The debate is over, the decision has been made.  The men and women in uniform believe that this decision is the correct one.  You saying that it's wrong is not going to show then the kind of support they deserve.

That is exactly the tactic that gets started as soon as they want to stop any opposing ideology or opposition to the mission. "Shut up because our troops are there. Absolute media manipulation.

NEELY wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

wprager wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

spader wrote:

Ev wrote:

LeCaptain wrote:

Ev wrote:wtf are people on about regarding the Conservatives instilling "fear" in Canadians? Who the hell is afraid in Canada? Afraid of what?

So why are we sending troops overseas again and have a full month (coming in 10 days) dedicated to the Army that is supposed to keep us "safe"?
If nobody is afraid, then I guess there's nothing to keep us safe from.

I support the forces so there's no point arguing this.

It's possible to support the forces without supporting the overseers. By that I mean that you can support the troops, but disagree with the mission.

Exactly. Why must people blindly follow in fear of not looking patriotic. The fact that support the troops is even a thing is because they want people to feel like it's either or. Who wouldn't support fellow Canadians. The problem is that people can vary in support of what the government is doing with them.

Not quite that simple.  You can argue all you want up until the decision is made.  Once the troops are overseas, you stop.  The debate is over, the decision has been made.  The men and women in uniform believe that this decision is the correct one.  You saying that it's wrong is not going to show then the kind of support they deserve.

That is exactly the tactic that gets started as soon as they want to stop any opposing ideology or opposition to the mission. "Shut up because our troops are there. Absolute media manipulation.

Time to start living in the real world, child.  You support those who represent your country and do the job you wouldn't in a million years have the balls to actually do.  Once military is there they have no choice but to obey orders and they believe what they are doing is for the greater good.  

Guess what, if it wasn't for military interventions of the past this world of ours in our little bubble called Canada would have no where near the amount of rights we do now, especially women.  Again, grow up, get a job, get a life.

NEELY wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

wprager wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

spader wrote:

Ev wrote:

LeCaptain wrote:

Ev wrote:wtf are people on about regarding the Conservatives instilling "fear" in Canadians? Who the hell is afraid in Canada? Afraid of what?

So why are we sending troops overseas again and have a full month (coming in 10 days) dedicated to the Army that is supposed to keep us "safe"?
If nobody is afraid, then I guess there's nothing to keep us safe from.

I support the forces so there's no point arguing this.

It's possible to support the forces without supporting the overseers. By that I mean that you can support the troops, but disagree with the mission.

Exactly. Why must people blindly follow in fear of not looking patriotic. The fact that support the troops is even a thing is because they want people to feel like it's either or. Who wouldn't support fellow Canadians. The problem is that people can vary in support of what the government is doing with them.

Not quite that simple.  You can argue all you want up until the decision is made.  Once the troops are overseas, you stop.  The debate is over, the decision has been made.  The men and women in uniform believe that this decision is the correct one.  You saying that it's wrong is not going to show then the kind of support they deserve.

That is exactly the tactic that gets started as soon as they want to stop any opposing ideology or opposition to the mission. "Shut up because our troops are there. Absolute media manipulation.

Time to start living in the real world, child.  You support those who represent your country and do the job you wouldn't in a million years have the balls to actually do.  Once military is there they have no choice but to obey orders and they believe what they are doing is for the greater good.  

Guess what, if it wasn't for military interventions of the past this world of ours in our little bubble called Canada would have no where near the amount of rights we do now, especially women.  Again, grow up, get a job, get a life.

Seriously Neely you're a little reactionary Wing Dang Doodle.
You are such a puppet for the right wing. You think no one has the right to actually argue against a mission you are so out of line. Actually you probably don't think anyone has a right to argue with you in anything.mthe problem with your logic is that if no one argues with any intervention than we stay in them until the bitter end. Yeah that worked Cussing well with Vietnam. Years later we all know that was a bad idea from the start. Iraq yes another brilliant plan.

So military intervention favours women in Canada? stfu
If anything the situation of women in Iraq and Afghanistan is far worse now than it used to be. If anything all we do is create a vacuum for fundamentalist forces to step in once we are out there "policing" the situation.
Seriously stop hiding behind your military agendas that we are doing the right thing because time after time it has shown that mission after mission has failed. So suck it buddy. Stick to talking hockey as it's clearly the only thing you are good at. Leave politics to those that have sensibilities to international consciousness and not a reactionary trigger happy superiority complex.

Again, hide behind me... that's where you would be if things didn't go quite the way you think they should in this perfect world.

Maybe study a little history, maybe read a book, but hey I am talking to an idealistic commie it seems.  I also highly doubt you would ever say any of this to my face, most people who live off their parents tend to be gutless much like yourself.

Michallica wrote:Damn you got banned for that?  that's not cool GMH (or Neely).  Also let's not make things so damn personal on a hockey forum.  

Un-ban Flo, close this thread, and move on.