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NEELY wrote:
Yup, went from being criminally underrated to overrated in about a years time.  He's a shut down D man and he's an average one at that.  Not like he's there shutting down the big guns on the other team each night, not like he's a guy teams fear playing against.  He's a solid 3, 4 guy that's going to get 5 mil a year as a UFA and he isn't worth anywhere near that.

People fall in love with a guy like Methot, like Fisher, like Redden, and they become overrated.  Same thing time and time again with the Sens fan base.

SpezDispenser wrote:
1.Figure out what to do with Spezza.  Sounds like they're leaning towards moving him as per the comments made by Wallace etc.  So that's a MASSIVE trade.  Don't Diddle that one up.

NEELY wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:Methot is the most overrated player on the Sens right now.  Yes he is physical, and is fairly mobile, but he gets himself so far out of position it is unreal.  He honestly doesn't seem to have a clue in his own end, he runs around like Karlsson, but doesn't put up 70+ points to make up for his brutal positional play.  

Yup, went from being criminally underrated to overrated in about a years time.  He's a shut down D man and he's an average one at that.  Not like he's there shutting down the big guns on the other team each night, not like he's a guy teams fear playing against.  He's a solid 3, 4 guy that's going to get 5 mil a year as a UFA and he isn't worth anywhere near that.

People fall in love with a guy like Methot, like Fisher, like Redden, and they become overrated.  Same thing time and time again with the Sens fan base.

wprager wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:
1.Figure out what to do with Spezza.  Sounds like they're leaning towards moving him as per the comments made by Wallace etc.  So that's a MASSIVE trade.  Don't Diddle that one up.

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Flo The Action wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:Methot is the most overrated player on the Sens right now.  Yes he is physical, and is fairly mobile, but he gets himself so far out of position it is unreal.  He honestly doesn't seem to have a clue in his own end, he runs around like Karlsson, but doesn't put up 70+ points to make up for his brutal positional play.  

Yup, went from being criminally underrated to overrated in about a years time.  He's a shut down D man and he's an average one at that.  Not like he's there shutting down the big guns on the other team each night, not like he's a guy teams fear playing against.  He's a solid 3, 4 guy that's going to get 5 mil a year as a UFA and he isn't worth anywhere near that.

People fall in love with a guy like Methot, like Fisher, like Redden, and they become overrated.  Same thing time and time again with the Sens fan base.

you don't think he can recapture the play of his previous year? i mean this is a horrendous year on D for us. it's got to play on the psyche of all the players after a point.
you bring in a vet to step in the top 4 and stabilize things and we're back in the saddle in that respect. holding on to cowen at this point and bringing a guy like Boyle in pretty much makes wier expandable. even if we'll regret not having him when he really comes into his own we'll still have enough solid D-man back there. we've got a glut of up and coming Dman at this point with nothing much for veteran presence.  THAT is what is apparent.

SpezDispenser wrote:How is Methot criminally overrated?  He's a good player - that's that, he does a lot of things right on the ice and I've seen him communicate more than anyone with the exception of Phillips.  

4.2ish million X 5 will be A-1 IMO.

NEELY wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:Methot is the most overrated player on the Sens right now.  Yes he is physical, and is fairly mobile, but he gets himself so far out of position it is unreal.  He honestly doesn't seem to have a clue in his own end, he runs around like Karlsson, but doesn't put up 70+ points to make up for his brutal positional play.  

Yup, went from being criminally underrated to overrated in about a years time.  He's a shut down D man and he's an average one at that.  Not like he's there shutting down the big guns on the other team each night, not like he's a guy teams fear playing against.  He's a solid 3, 4 guy that's going to get 5 mil a year as a UFA and he isn't worth anywhere near that.

People fall in love with a guy like Methot, like Fisher, like Redden, and they become overrated.  Same thing time and time again with the Sens fan base.

Flo The Action wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:Methot is the most overrated player on the Sens right now.  Yes he is physical, and is fairly mobile, but he gets himself so far out of position it is unreal.  He honestly doesn't seem to have a clue in his own end, he runs around like Karlsson, but doesn't put up 70+ points to make up for his brutal positional play.  

Yup, went from being criminally underrated to overrated in about a years time.  He's a shut down D man and he's an average one at that.  Not like he's there shutting down the big guns on the other team each night, not like he's a guy teams fear playing against.  He's a solid 3, 4 guy that's going to get 5 mil a year as a UFA and he isn't worth anywhere near that.

People fall in love with a guy like Methot, like Fisher, like Redden, and they become overrated.  Same thing time and time again with the Sens fan base.

you don't think he can recapture the play of his previous year? i mean this is a horrendous year on D for us. it's got to play on the psyche of all the players after a point.
you bring in a vet to step in the top 4 and stabilize things and we're back in the saddle in that respect. holding on to cowen at this point and bringing a guy like Boyle in pretty much makes wier expandable. even if we'll regret not having him when he really comes into his own we'll still have enough solid D-man back there. we've got a glut of up and coming Dman at this point with nothing much for veteran presence.  THAT is what is apparent.

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:Methot is the most overrated player on the Sens right now.  Yes he is physical, and is fairly mobile, but he gets himself so far out of position it is unreal.  He honestly doesn't seem to have a clue in his own end, he runs around like Karlsson, but doesn't put up 70+ points to make up for his brutal positional play.  

Yup, went from being criminally underrated to overrated in about a years time.  He's a shut down D man and he's an average one at that.  Not like he's there shutting down the big guns on the other team each night, not like he's a guy teams fear playing against.  He's a solid 3, 4 guy that's going to get 5 mil a year as a UFA and he isn't worth anywhere near that.

People fall in love with a guy like Methot, like Fisher, like Redden, and they become overrated.  Same thing time and time again with the Sens fan base.

in fairness I bet you were singing his praises last year and calling him a legit shut-down first pairing d-man

NEELY wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:Methot is the most overrated player on the Sens right now.  Yes he is physical, and is fairly mobile, but he gets himself so far out of position it is unreal.  He honestly doesn't seem to have a clue in his own end, he runs around like Karlsson, but doesn't put up 70+ points to make up for his brutal positional play.  

Yup, went from being criminally underrated to overrated in about a years time.  He's a shut down D man and he's an average one at that.  Not like he's there shutting down the big guns on the other team each night, not like he's a guy teams fear playing against.  He's a solid 3, 4 guy that's going to get 5 mil a year as a UFA and he isn't worth anywhere near that.

People fall in love with a guy like Methot, like Fisher, like Redden, and they become overrated.  Same thing time and time again with the Sens fan base.

you don't think he can recapture the play of his previous year? i mean this is a horrendous year on D for us. it's got to play on the psyche of all the players after a point.
you bring in a vet to step in the top 4 and stabilize things and we're back in the saddle in that respect. holding on to cowen at this point and bringing a guy like Boyle in pretty much makes wier expandable. even if we'll regret not having him when he really comes into his own we'll still have enough solid D-man back there. we've got a glut of up and coming Dman at this point with nothing much for veteran presence.  THAT is what is apparent.

At 3 mil a season playing how is he playing now is fine, no issues with it.  Methot is a top 4 D man on probably 90% of the teams in the NHL.  That said the one thing the Sens don't have an issue with are LH D men in the organization and one or two will be moved this off season.  

Methot is going to get a 20-25 million dollar deal somewhere and that's over paying for the very limited amount he can bring.  Anything over 4 million for a player like that is over paying.  That said he is also a player that has value in a trade and Ottawa has bigger holes on the team, especially up front than then do on the back end.  Ottawa can't compete with teams like Boston until they get some skill and size along with grit up front.  You need guys that can play in every type of game and right now the Sens have close to no one who can provide that.  Sens need a player like Stewart a hell of a lot more than a guy like Methot.

Also at the people saying Wiercioch plus a 3rd would get Stewart...?  If that was the case he would be in Ottawa right now so stop with the BS.

NEELY wrote:
Also at the people saying Wiercioch plus a 3rd would get Stewart...?  If that was the case he would be in Ottawa right now so stop with the BS.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:is it dreaming to think spezza will be moved out with some assets/players for stewart while bringing in Boyle and whatever assets you get for spezza?

not many GM's pull that much stuff in one summer, that's a major overhaul... i just don't know if murray has that kind of balls. I mean the writing is on the wall for it but this ain't like trading on NHL13

There's almost no choice in the matter.  Think of the stuff Murray has to do lol, it's gonna be a long, hard summer.

1.Figure out what to do with Spezza.  Sounds like they're leaning towards moving him as per the comments made by Wallace etc.  So that's a MASSIVE trade.  Don't Diddle that one up.yup don't Diddle it up but i won't be surprised if he's still here come september

2.What are you doing about Methot?  You don't want to wait until it's too late and have him walk for nothing. no need to do anything till the season is started as he doesn't need to be resigned until the following summer, and he'll stay if we give him the right contract. needs to prove he can earn a bigger contract still

3.What are you doing about Michalek? they'll let him walk

4.What are you doing about Hemsky? keep him, I think he could match up well with zib if spezza is traded

5.What are you doing about your defence past Methot, Karlsson, Phillips, Cowen, Ceci? Dan mutherfacking Boyle  There's one spot in there for upgrade - and maybe it's by moving one of those guys, or maybe it's by moving Gryba 7/8th D.

6.What are you doing about Boroweicki?  7/8th D, Murray is comfortable with 8 D he's stated 1-way contract don't forget.

7.What are you doing about MacArthur?  You MUST re-sign him this summer.  Can't let that guy walk, he represents the heart and soul of our forwards.he's more then happy here. you can sign him before next year's deadline. if anything has been shown recently is awarding contracts too early to players hasn't had great results

8.What are you doing about Bobby Ryan?  This is probably the 2nd biggest thing.  The amount we gave up for him...better re-sign him immediately. agreed, big issue there. but knowing murray and bobby's camp they might want to wait till next year hoping to have a more productive year to get a contract. unless they throw kessel like money at him now which i doubt they do

9.How long are you signing Lehner for? meh, 3 year 2 million per 2 year 2.5 mill sounds about right. this season hasn't proven much more then this.

10.How long are you signing Zibanejad for? good question but sounds minor as far as the big picture, they'll get a contract worked out

11.Was the lip service paid to Cowen after the deadline a smokescreen?  Is he being discussed in a deal? nope. doubt he goes anywhere. not at his present value anyways.

12.What are you doing about Anderson?  Letting it play out, or re-signing? play out... till the deadline at least.

13.Is Hoffman good enough to win a role on this team? might offer him a 2 way for next year with a one way for the following. you play well enough you'll stay up type of deal.

14.Is Stone good enough to win a role on this team? if he can stay injury free hopefully, he'll be an injury call up possibly. if there's a spezza trade there might be a winger that takes a place he could have

15.Adding a big, physical forward a la Chris Stewart. certainly!

16.Adding a veteran defenceman a la Dan Boyle.see above


Did I cover all of it lol?  I think so, but there's probably more.

NEELY wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:Methot is the most overrated player on the Sens right now.  Yes he is physical, and is fairly mobile, but he gets himself so far out of position it is unreal.  He honestly doesn't seem to have a clue in his own end, he runs around like Karlsson, but doesn't put up 70+ points to make up for his brutal positional play.  

Yup, went from being criminally underrated to overrated in about a years time.  He's a shut down D man and he's an average one at that.  Not like he's there shutting down the big guns on the other team each night, not like he's a guy teams fear playing against.  He's a solid 3, 4 guy that's going to get 5 mil a year as a UFA and he isn't worth anywhere near that.

People fall in love with a guy like Methot, like Fisher, like Redden, and they become overrated.  Same thing time and time again with the Sens fan base.

you don't think he can recapture the play of his previous year? i mean this is a horrendous year on D for us. it's got to play on the psyche of all the players after a point.
you bring in a vet to step in the top 4 and stabilize things and we're back in the saddle in that respect. holding on to cowen at this point and bringing a guy like Boyle in pretty much makes wier expandable. even if we'll regret not having him when he really comes into his own we'll still have enough solid D-man back there. we've got a glut of up and coming Dman at this point with nothing much for veteran presence.  THAT is what is apparent.

At 3 mil a season playing how is he playing now is fine, no issues with it.  Methot is a top 4 D man on probably 90% of the teams in the NHL.  That said the one thing the Sens don't have an issue with are LH D men in the organization and one or two will be moved this off season.  

Methot is going to get a 20-25 million dollar deal somewhere and that's over paying for the very limited amount he can bring.  Anything over 4 million for a player like that is over paying.  That said he is also a player that has value in a trade and Ottawa has bigger holes on the team, especially up front than then do on the back end.  Ottawa can't compete with teams like Boston until they get some skill and size along with grit up front.  You need guys that can play in every type of game and right now the Sens have close to no one who can provide that.  Sens need a player like Stewart a hell of a lot more than a guy like Methot.

Also at the people saying Wiercioch plus a 3rd would get Stewart...?  If that was the case he would be in Ottawa right now so stop with the BS.

NEELY wrote:

He is.  Wouldn't pay him 5 mil a year though.

Hoags wrote:

NEELY wrote:

He is.  Wouldn't pay him 5 mil a year though.

If that's where the salary market is for a player like that then that's what he's going to get.  Here or elsewhere.