GAME DAY: Minnesota Wild @ Ottawa Senators :: 7:30pm ET :: Wed. Nov. 20th, 2013

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:Jesus, it's not for Dubnyk, Dubnyk is the guy that would have to come back in a deal with Edmonton... Jesus.  Does it make you feel better if I say a 2nd and Clemmenson?  Florida deal...  Both those guys are NHL backups and nothing more and neither one of them are any worse than Anderson is right now.

You move Anderson to avoid the problems that are right down the track and everyone knows and sees they are coming.  

Makes me feel slightly better, but I'd rather The Flash and a 2nd.

Jesus... if you think that's an answer to any kind of problem in Ottawa I don't know what to tell you.

Of course it's the start to getting a 2nd line.  We have no second line right now, how would The Flash not help that?

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Maybe if Edmonton ate 50% of Dubnyk's salary.  Then at least he's being paid as a backup.

Why does that even matter to a fan? lol

Because I'm not short sighted and I know there's Bobby Ryan, Spezza, Methot, Lehner, Zibanejad, MacArthur etc. that all need new deals.  Spending money for nothing is stupid, fan or no fan.

EDIT: Not to mention that Murray or T.Murray or whoever it is might want to make a serious trade this year or off-season - and could come face to face with a cheap as Dung Melnyk. All of a sudden a couple of million dollars wasted could Diddle us.

I said it last year, but I think Murrays mistake was trading Bishop and not Anderson.

22_4_ever wrote:I said it last year, but I think Murrays mistake was trading Bishop and not Anderson.  

You'd be quite right at this point. How long would Bishop have been happy backing up Lehner before he got annoyed though - or the other way around?

The time to trade Anderson was after last year. But it was hard to justify dealing a veteran and leaving 2 young guys to man the net.

Ev wrote:The time to trade Anderson was after last year. But it was hard to justify dealing a veteran and leaving 2 young guys to man the net.

A few of us mentioned that but w/e, it was a dumb conversation to have because he was the best goaltender on the planet. Either way, they need to move Anderson now and avoid the s*it storm that's about to hit. Anderson as the backup in Colorado was a frigging disaster and it basically happened like this.

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:Jesus, it's not for Dubnyk, Dubnyk is the guy that would have to come back in a deal with Edmonton... Jesus.  Does it make you feel better if I say a 2nd and Clemmenson?  Florida deal...  Both those guys are NHL backups and nothing more and neither one of them are any worse than Anderson is right now.

You move Anderson to avoid the problems that are right down the track and everyone knows and sees they are coming.  

Makes me feel slightly better, but I'd rather The Flash and a 2nd.

Jesus... if you think that's an answer to any kind of problem in Ottawa I don't know what to tell you.

Of course it's the start to getting a 2nd line.  We have no second line right now, how would The Flash not help that?

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Maybe if Edmonton ate 50% of Dubnyk's salary.  Then at least he's being paid as a backup.

Why does that even matter to a fan? lol

Because I'm not short sighted and I know there's Bobby Ryan, Spezza, Methot, Lehner, Zibanejad, MacArthur etc. that all need new deals.  Spending money for nothing is stupid, fan or no fan.

EDIT: Not to mention that Murray or T.Murray or whoever it is might want to make a serious trade this year or off-season - and could come face to face with a cheap as Dung Melnyk.  All of a sudden a couple of million dollars wasted could Diddle us.

Haha I don't think Dubnyk being signed for 3.5 the remainder of the year (money that would have gone to Anderson anyways) is going to have any kind of effect lol... in fact it saves 3.2 mil because they don't have to pay Anderson next year so that's EXACTLY what you want in a contract.

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:Jesus, it's not for Dubnyk, Dubnyk is the guy that would have to come back in a deal with Edmonton... Jesus.  Does it make you feel better if I say a 2nd and Clemmenson?  Florida deal...  Both those guys are NHL backups and nothing more and neither one of them are any worse than Anderson is right now.

You move Anderson to avoid the problems that are right down the track and everyone knows and sees they are coming.  

Makes me feel slightly better, but I'd rather The Flash and a 2nd.

Jesus... if you think that's an answer to any kind of problem in Ottawa I don't know what to tell you.

Of course it's the start to getting a 2nd line.  We have no second line right now, how would The Flash not help that?

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Maybe if Edmonton ate 50% of Dubnyk's salary.  Then at least he's being paid as a backup.

Why does that even matter to a fan? lol

Because I'm not short sighted and I know there's Bobby Ryan, Spezza, Methot, Lehner, Zibanejad, MacArthur etc. that all need new deals.  Spending money for nothing is stupid, fan or no fan.

EDIT: Not to mention that Murray or T.Murray or whoever it is might want to make a serious trade this year or off-season - and could come face to face with a cheap as Dung Melnyk.  All of a sudden a couple of million dollars wasted could Diddle us.

Haha I don't think Dubnyk being signed for 3.5 the remainder of the year (money that would have gone to Anderson anyways) is going to have any kind of effect lol... in fact it saves 3.2 mil because they don't have to pay Anderson next year so that's EXACTLY what you want in a contract.

That's basically the only positive, that Dubnyk's a pending UFA.

Well no s*it. Did anyone even mention, hint, elude, suggest, or imply Dubnyk should be kept on long term as Ottawa's backup?

You pick up Dubnyk and the very worst case scenario this year is you find out whether Dubnyk is a capable backup or someone you want to get rid of at years end. It's not even a risk at this point and it saves the Sens 3.2 mil next year player for player, they will obviously need to spend around 1.2-1.5 on a backup anyways.

I feel as if you can do a lot better than that, but at least we wouldn't be tolling that contract.

Trading Anderson is a start, but that solves absolutely nothing if we're getting back a pick and another goalie. But yeah, he should be traded by this off-season at the latest. If we take back Dubnyk (who isn't TERRIBLE, but isn't good either) then at least his contract is off the books after this year, whereas Anderson still has another year on his. Freeing up that $3M+ next season could be very important assuming the Euge still has us on an internal cap.

tim1_2 wrote:Trading Anderson is a start, but that solves absolutely nothing if we're getting back a pick and another goalie.  But yeah, he should be traded by this off-season at the latest.  If we take back Dubnyk (who isn't TERRIBLE, but isn't good either) then at least his contract is off the books after this year, whereas Anderson still has another year on his.  Freeing up that $3M+ next season could be very important assuming the Euge still has us on an internal cap.

Again, I will bring up Anderson in Colorado as a backup... absolute disaster. Not to mention the headlines every single day in the Sun, TSN, w/e, about which goalie should be starting. Lehner has a bad game? Who's in? Anderson lets in 4, why was Lehner not in? It's going to get messy and it's going to be distraction that they don't need.

Move Anderson for a 2nd and a backup, get a small asset you can use down the line (2nds are valuable, they turned 2 into a 1st rounder and also got Bishop). Give Lehner the net, he has earned it, let whoever backup and if they are good enough to stick around in that role and they want that role, resign them.

tim1_2 wrote:Trading Anderson is a start, but that solves absolutely nothing if we're getting back a pick and another goalie.  But yeah, he should be traded by this off-season at the latest.  If we take back Dubnyk (who isn't TERRIBLE, but isn't good either) then at least his contract is off the books after this year, whereas Anderson still has another year on his.  Freeing up that $3M+ next season could be very important assuming the Euge still has us on an internal cap.

It puts Lehner in goal for good. He's had better numbers by far this year.

wprager wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Trading Anderson is a start, but that solves absolutely nothing if we're getting back a pick and another goalie.  But yeah, he should be traded by this off-season at the latest.  If we take back Dubnyk (who isn't TERRIBLE, but isn't good either) then at least his contract is off the books after this year, whereas Anderson still has another year on his.  Freeing up that $3M+ next season could be very important assuming the Euge still has us on an internal cap.

It puts Lehner in goal for good. He's had better numbers by far this year.

Which is great, but it ain't gonna get us over the hump. Look, we made the semi finals last year based on outstanding goaltending alone. That's about as far as it's gonna get you. We have core issues at forward and on D. Those need to be addressed.

tim1_2 wrote:

wprager wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Trading Anderson is a start, but that solves absolutely nothing if we're getting back a pick and another goalie.  But yeah, he should be traded by this off-season at the latest.  If we take back Dubnyk (who isn't TERRIBLE, but isn't good either) then at least his contract is off the books after this year, whereas Anderson still has another year on his.  Freeing up that $3M+ next season could be very important assuming the Euge still has us on an internal cap.

It puts Lehner in goal for good.  He's had better numbers by far this year.

Which is great, but it ain't gonna get us over the hump.  Look, we made the semi finals last year based on outstanding goaltending alone.  That's about as far as it's gonna get you.  We have core issues at forward and on D.  Those need to be addressed.

It did for three games in a row.

tim1_2 wrote:

wprager wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Trading Anderson is a start, but that solves absolutely nothing if we're getting back a pick and another goalie.  But yeah, he should be traded by this off-season at the latest.  If we take back Dubnyk (who isn't TERRIBLE, but isn't good either) then at least his contract is off the books after this year, whereas Anderson still has another year on his.  Freeing up that $3M+ next season could be very important assuming the Euge still has us on an internal cap.

It puts Lehner in goal for good.  He's had better numbers by far this year.

Which is great, but it ain't gonna get us over the hump.  Look, we made the semi finals last year based on outstanding goaltending alone.  That's about as far as it's gonna get you.  We have core issues at forward and on D.  Those need to be addressed.

It avoids a problem that doesn't need to happen. Again I will point to Anderson in his last year in Colorado, DISASTER. He was had for Brian Elliott. There's a reason for that.

Getting a 2nd rounder back for Anderson would be fantastic at this point because it's an asset the Sens could use at anytime and it gives Lehner the net.

wprager wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

wprager wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Trading Anderson is a start, but that solves absolutely nothing if we're getting back a pick and another goalie.  But yeah, he should be traded by this off-season at the latest.  If we take back Dubnyk (who isn't TERRIBLE, but isn't good either) then at least his contract is off the books after this year, whereas Anderson still has another year on his.  Freeing up that $3M+ next season could be very important assuming the Euge still has us on an internal cap.

It puts Lehner in goal for good.  He's had better numbers by far this year.

Which is great, but it ain't gonna get us over the hump.  Look, we made the semi finals last year based on outstanding goaltending alone.  That's about as far as it's gonna get you.  We have core issues at forward and on D.  Those need to be addressed.

It did for three games in a row.

So you think the problem is Anderson, and giving Lehner the #1 job will make us a playoff team?

I would talk to you about this but I make the assumption that by not responding to my comment about Anderson you don't want too... you are not alone on Friday my friend.