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GAME DAY: Ottawa Senators @ New Jersey Devils - 1:00pm ET - Mon. Feb. 18th, 2013

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NEELY


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No way ROR will sign an offer sheet because there is the risk of Colorado matching... Weber wanted out of Nashville and look what happened.

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Hoags wrote:

As for his contract demands I suspect he's just trying to force a trade. Turris did the same thing, did we give him $4-5 M ?

That's basically what I said yesterday. The trade cost will be a little less than everyone thinks and same for the contract. Just like Turris.

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Hoags wrote:
Offer sheets are pretty much dead, teams don't want to piss other teams off. You rarely see them, and RoR doesn't have to sign one if he does not want to. Colorado will most likely match anyway. You'd have to hand out a poison pill offer sheet like Philly did to Weber to have any chance of success there.

O'Reilly is a proven NHLer, Da Costa is not. As for Bishop, they don't need him so it's not much value for them. They want someone they can slot in their roster right away who can produce.

There's a risk involved in getting a player like O'Rielly, there is risk in any trade. This is where GMs leans on their scouts for their assessment. Did we not "overpay" for Turris (who was seen as a borderline bust at the time) ? It really depends on what Muray and his staff think of RoR and if whatever we're willing to give up is worth it. LeBrun said we were the most serious interested party so it seems Murray thinks it's worth it. Murray has most likely made an offer and Sherman is shopping around the league to see what else he can get. It doesn't matter what RoR is worth, it's what other teams think he is worth. There were 5 teams in the running for Turris, there is a lot more for RoR but who knows how many are "serious" and how many are just kicking tires. We need to have the best offer on the table.

As for his contract demands I suspect he's just trying to force a trade. Turris did the same thing, did we give him $4-5 M ?

O'Reilly in Colorado is already a poison pill. They don't want him there because he doesn't want to be there -- again, this is assuming the rumors are true as to him being miffed over the 'C'. If they match they have to keep him for a year and they would rather not. So they may be more inclined to take the 1st and 3rd than you think.

As for them not needing Bishop, Varlamov isn't exactly having a career year. Calgary needs him more, of course, but don't rule out Colorado.

shabbs

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Hoags wrote:Offer sheets are pretty much dead, teams don't want to piss other teams off.
After the Preds matched the obscene offer sheet by Philly for Weber, a GM was quoted as saying "What is the Cussing point." It's true. If a team that has no money is gonna match that monster of a contract, then there will never be a case where a team does not match. The move has become useless.

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It isn't useless in certain cases. If a team has or could have cap issues, then a high offer sheet is very useful. If they match, it puts them into a bad cap situation.

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tim1_2 wrote:It isn't useless in certain cases. If a team is or could have cap issues, then a high offer sheet is very useful. If they match, it puts them into a bad cap situation.
That's about the only leverage right now. To put a team that is right up against the cap in a bind. Even then, if the player is deemed an essential part of the team, then you'd think they would do something to make it fit and match the offer. I thought the Subban situation would produce something like that, but it never did. Takes two to tango with an offer sheet.

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ROR is worth way more than Turris was at the time of his trade. And we got him for our best prospect + a 2nd rounder. Now the trade looks like a steal.
If management judges he is worth it, and it seems like they do, then you give fair value of his potential.

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LeKing wrote:ROR is worth way more than Turris was at the time of his trade. And we got him for our best prospect + a 2nd rounder. Now the trade looks like a steal.
If management judges he is worth it, and it seems like they do, then you give fair value of his potential.

Yes, you trade based on ROR's potential. But the contract is another matter. I don't want to give this guy $5M per year...but maybe that's just his negotiating tactic to get out of Colorado. Regardless, I trust the Murrays to make a good decision on this.

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Turris wanted 5M too according to the "insiders"

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