Game Day - Ottawa @ Boston, 7:00PM, Tuesday, November 1, 2011

Our 2nd rounder plus Wiercioch, or do they even care. Foligno +? Risky business either way IMO, but Murray and Mac would know, especially Mac having seen him in Detroit.

Big Ev wrote:McKenzie, Dreger, and LeBrun say the Sens have exceptional interest in him. Calgary too (calling every day about him).

Two teams among the weakest in the centre position makes sense.

So did we get outplayed tonight ? Were we that bad ? Were the B's that good ?

This team seems to fold like a cheap lawn chair against a heavy forecheck.

SpezDispenser wrote:Our 2nd rounder plus Wiercioch, or do they even care. Foligno +? Risky business either way IMO, but Murray and Mac would know, especially Mac having seen him in Detroit.

I don't think they need D, they have Yandle + OEL and others.

Probably a centre for sure and/or forwards.

I'm sure Murray has kicked tires but Maloney doesn't want to deal him.

Don't forget Turris has already missed a month + training camp, they'd probably send him on a conditioning stint

Big Ev wrote:Do it now. Turris has serious potential. He can play, he's shown it.

He has already proven he isn't a bust. Just needs time and ice time.

He hasn't proven a lot, Regin is probably more on an NHL player than he is.

I'm weary of Turris, saying he's the answer at centre is no different than thinking Filatov is the top-6 forward we need.

he's not the answer for the present. Doesn't mean he's not worth trading for though. Perfect player to trade for in a rebuild.

Big Ev wrote:McKenzie, Dreger, and LeBrun say the Sens have exceptional interest in him. Calgary too (calling every day about him).

What may give the Sens a little more of a chance in landing him as well is that they are an Eastern Conferance team. Shipping him out West may not be in Pheonix's next interest.

Either way, I agree with you. The Sens should be trying to land him, obviously not give up the farm but that's a guy that could be a franchise guy and he will get a ton of space playing behind Spezza.

I agree with Hoags too though, gotta be careful what they give up. I would say their 2nd rounder from this year is absolutely gone with a little something else if they do land him.

Also, remember this guys, MacLean was in Detroit the last 2 series against Pheonix, he knows exactly what kind of potential Turris has and just how good of a player he currently is. He's an NHL right now for sure.

A lot like the FIlatov situation but not nearly the same questions surround his game. I don't think he's worth too much more obviously, but what do I know. Regin might be the piece going back the other way with a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

The winning streak couldn't last forever. The Bs were desperate...we were playing probably the best team we've played in the past 7 games, despite their record. And yeah, when you have Big Z out there shutting down your best players, it makes it tough.

Still though, we were in that game for long stretches when we should have been waaaaaaay out of it.

I don't want to read anything about needing to be better. Sure he gave up 5 goals, but he also made several great saves and the score could've been MUCH worse. He held is in that game when we had no business hanging around.

tim1_2 wrote:The winning streak couldn't last forever. The Bs were desperate...we were playing probably the best team we've played in the past 7 games, despite their record. And yeah, when you have Big Z out there shutting down your best players, it makes it tough.

Still though, we were in that game for long stretches when we should have been waaaaaaay out of it.

I don't want to read anything about needing to be better. Sure he gave up 5 goals, but he also made several great saves and the score could've been MUCH worse. He held is in that game when we had no business hanging around.

He made some big saves for sure but I honestly didn't think he was all that sharp. There were probably 1/2 a dozen open nets the B's missed last night and the D bailed him out by getting a stick in there or pushing the man off the puck.

Last night wasn't his fault in the least but he still hasn't had a game where he really held the team in there and helped them get 2 points. I'm not sure what his save % or GAA is right now but it has to be at the bottom of the league, save % being the biggest cause for concern. GAA can be a little overblown.

Yeah, his GAA and Save % aren't good, but the D has been pretty pourous in front of him, particularly on the PK. We have some great offensive D-men, but in our own end it can get pretty hectic sometimes.

I contend that Anderson has played very well, and has indeed held us in games and helped us get 2 points.

Look at our D. Who is our best defensive defenceman? An old Chris Phillips. After that it's Kuba maybe.

It's going to take time, but certainly Cowen will fill that role nicely, and Karlsson and Rundblad will only get better defensively.

Anderson has his hands full with the young, offensively minded d-men. He is doing everything he can.

tim1_2 wrote:Yeah, his GAA and Save % aren't good, but the D has been pretty pourous in front of him, particularly on the PK. We have some great offensive D-men, but in our own end it can get pretty hectic sometimes.

I contend that Anderson has played very well, and has indeed held us in games and helped us get 2 points.

Look at our D. Who is our best defensive defenceman? An old Chris Phillips. After that it's Kuba maybe.

It's going to take time, but certainly Cowen will fill that role nicely, and Karlsson and Rundblad will only get better defensively.

Anderson has his hands full with the young, offensively minded d-men. He is doing everything he can.

The PK has been fine the last couple of weeks, the reason they are near the bottom was because of their awful start. They got lit up.

I think Anderson needs to be better. This is obviously a team he doesn't have to carry like everyone might have thought at the begining of the year but it is a team that needs a big save here or there when the team is struggling. Anderson has yet to really provide that. I honestly believe his leash will be pretty short right now with Lehner being up in Ottawa. If Ottawa doesn't win Friday, I will bet a good amount of cash Lehner plays sat, if he wins that game they might give him the ball and let him roll with it.

Lehner might already be this organizations best goaltender.

Oh well. The streak had to end at some point, and the Bruins were eventually going to wake up from their hangover, although that was not a pretty game for either team.

The key now will be to not lose two in a row. They need to bounce back and get a win vs the Habs on Friday at home.

shabbs wrote:Oh well. The streak had to end at some point, and the Bruins were eventually going to wake up from their hangover, although that was not a pretty game for either team.

The key now will be to not lose two in a row. They need to bounce back and get a win vs the Habs on Friday at home.

With a team like Ottawa, it's better to lose ugly than lose close. Taking positives from a loss is for a team that is struggling, trying to squeek into the playoffs, or perhaps a team just trying to find it's way. Ottawa knows what they are right now and that's a team that has a lot to learn despit some wins.

A game like this will lead to more wins, if it was a 3-2 game where they were on par, it might give them a false sense of security.

Agreed that Anderson needs to be better but let's not throw him out the window already and forget his 5 wins during the 6-game winning streak... was chatting with some guys and they were already complaining about "4 years of this" with Anderson. Ticked me off quite a bit.

shabbs wrote:Agreed that Anderson needs to be better but let's not throw him out the window already and forget his 5 wins during the 6-game winning streak... was chatting with some guys and they were already complaining about "4 years of this" with Anderson. Ticked me off quite a bit.

I'm not throwing Anderson under any bus, I like him a lot as a goaltender. That said, if lets up 4 goals on Friday, why not start Lehner? At this point they are very much in the thick of things and playing very well for the most part, the responsibility of the coach is to give his team the best chance to win. If Lehner gives them the best chance then you start him.

Lehner is pushing for a spot in Ottawa right now in a big way, he's basically done everything he can do down in the AHL, is the best goaltender in that league, and truth of the matter is, he's ready for the next step. If he isn't ready, you can't be much closer.

Having Anderson for 4 years is a good thing no matter what. His cap hit is minimal, he's a number 1 goaltender, and he's capable of stealing games. That's not to say Lehner won't be the number 1 guy in Ottawa before long.

Anderson has played well, despite his GAA and save %. He's a better goalie than Lehner, right now, and he gives us the best chance to win. Although, of course I'm in favour of giving Lehner a couple more games while he's up here.

It's very easy to say "Hey, Anderson gave up 5 goals, he must've played bad." If doesn't stand on his head in the 2nd period last night, we're coming out of that period down a lot more than one goal. We gave up 41 shots last night, including 17 in the first and 16 in the second. Our defense needs to be better, but it might be a slow road to improvement.

Getting Rundblad out (to the AHL), and inserting Carkner might be a good start, actually.

I thought Anderson played but he isn't as good as he could be. He seems distracted and not totally into the game. Goldman's tweets(love him or hate him) seem to indicate the same thing, he's not totally focused on what's going on out there. He took personal leave so I hope whatever happened in Colorado isnt happening here, although he had a baby this summer so that might explain it (I had a baby a few months ago so I know what that's like). I thought Lehner was better in TO.

I think they should still go with Anderson, I think Lehner needs a full year as a starter in the AHL. Call him up for a few games here and there maybe.

NEELY wrote:Also, remember this guys, MacLean was in Detroit the last 2 series against Pheonix, he knows exactly what kind of potential Turris has and just how good of a player he currently is. He's an NHL right now for sure.

A lot like the FIlatov situation but not nearly the same questions surround his game. I don't think he's worth too much more obviously, but what do I know. Regin might be the piece going back the other way with a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

I think Maloney knows that Turris has a good chance he can reach his potential and that's why he is not trading him. He's not going to get full value and he'll be trading away a potential franchise center.

We do have an advantage over Calgary in that we're in the East but the Flames are supposedly offering Rene Bourque which is better than anything we got. Can't imagine anyone wanting Regin with his bum shoulder.

Really depends on whether Maloney decides to give in and trade Turris though, so far he's not even remotely open to the idea.

Hoags wrote:I thought Anderson played but he isn't as good as he could be. He seems distracted and not totally into the game. Goldman's tweets(love him or hate him) seem to indicate the same thing, he's not totally focused on what's going on out there. He took personal leave so I hope whatever happened in Colorado isnt happening here, although he had a baby this summer so that might explain it (I had a baby a few months ago so I know what that's like). I thought Lehner was better in TO.

I think they should still go with Anderson, I think Lehner needs a full year as a starter in the AHL. Call him up for a few games here and there maybe.

If anything Anderson just needs some time and patience. He'll be fine, we need him, but he'll be fine. Again, this is definitely a guy I've watched long enough to feel pretty confident in saying that. The best thing we can say as Sens fans is: we were winning when he was average, what will we do when he reclaims the real Anderson form?

I think I would have preferred a definitive loss. This was kind of disappointing. When you manage 3 goals against Boston despite having your 1st line shutdown that should at least get you a point in the standings.

Oh well. Sucks to be the Habs now because they'll get massa - creed.