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GDT - Montreal @ Ottawa - Friday, Sep. 23, 7:30PM 456 (Rogers), 22 at 10pm (tape delay)

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Ev


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Oh sorry I thought Carkner played the left

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I think Boroweicki will see time here. He's clearly ready, he doesn't play a high risk game that needs years of coaching, he's tough, he's rugged, he's smart.

The only thing is ill-timed hits that leave him out of position - and even then, that's only happened twice that I've noticed. If you can move Kuba to make room for someone, I think it's him.

With Rundblad, he needs his mental game brought up. His confidence is what's lacking combined with some of the decision making on the smaller ice. He's not far away, we all know skill when we see it - and he's got all-world skill.

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SpezDispenser wrote:I don't wanna move Gonchar anymore. F-ing weird how much better he looks. We need that. Rundblad a full year in the A - or until an injury happens on the right side - I actually agree with that.

However, I don't believe Rundblad has digressed, I think he's looked better and better personally.

If Rundblad is going to play a regular shift, something's going to have to give on the right side -- i.e., between Gonchar and Lee, because Karlsson is entrenched. Lee has come along nicely and, if he can be that steady defensive guy on the right side that we need, it doesn't make sense to move him. Especially when the alternative is to move Gonchar, who will have 1 year left on his D and no place in the long-term future of this team.

Gonchar is who is standing in the way of Rundblad at this point. I don't see Rundblad with a permanent spot on this team until he (or Lee) is gone. To me, that means that this has to happen in the next year or so, because Ev is probably right -- Rundblad is not far off, and will probably be a quick study in the AHL (as long as he's smart enough to go that route).

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rooneypoo wrote:
Big Ev wrote:There is zero chance he goes back to Sweden. Skelleftea's GM said not to bother even speculating.

Injury will happen, or a trade, but even if they don't and he's playing well in Bingo, they won't want to keep him down there if he appears ready to take the next step.

I just don't think he will be in Binghamton too long. He'll get comfortable soon, and they'll make room.

Barring a major injury to one of Karlsson, Gonchar, or Lee, I just don't see it in the cards this year for Rundblad. Best case scenario for OTT is that Gonchar rebounds and we can move him in February. That way, Rundblad plays 4-5 months in Bingo, gets some time with the club in the final 2 months, and then has a spot for him next year.

We've waited this long on Lee for him to become serviceable, and it finally looks like he has. Moreover, we have a legitimate need for a defensive, stay-at-home guy on the right, so I don't see him going anywhere. Adding Rundblad to Gonchar and Karlsson makes for a wicked looking D on paper, but probably one that's not as defensively sound as it actually needs to be.

This is, of course, why I've been so mystified with all the 'Rundblad in the NHL this year' talk. I don't see much opportunity for him for that to happen. Not yet, anyway.

If Carkner does not figure in the long-term plans of the Senators, does that mean the right-side, shut-down job falls to Lee? Or at least until Gryba can compete for that spot?


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Big Ev wrote:All I know is they're not going to keep a guy down if he is ready. They will remove hurdles for him since he is part of the future core. Whether he plays 2 months or 4 months, he'll be an Ottawa Senator at the end of the year, definitely. This is a guy who won't need a full year in the AHL I think.

He can even be used as solely a PP specialist early on. Doesn't need to factor into the right-side left-side debate. They can take their time with him up here as well.

If they do get fed up with Kuba, you insert Carkner into the Top 6 and Rundblad becomes the 7th D.

If we can dress 7 D and 11 forwards, I agree. Otherwise, you're asking Phillips and Cowen to play 27+ minutes a night, each.

The right-side / left-side thing is unavoidable. You can't wish it away or step around it. You need 3 D who are comfortable on each side, every night. Period. Full stop. No exceptions. Inserting Carkner for Kuba is creating the same problem as inserting Rundblad for Kuba.

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SpezDispenser wrote:
Big Ev wrote:All I know is they're not going to keep a guy down if he is ready. They will remove hurdles for him since he is part of the future core. Whether he plays 2 months or 4 months, he'll be an Ottawa Senator at the end of the year, definitely. This is a guy who won't need a full year in the AHL I think.

He can even be used as solely a PP specialist early on. Doesn't need to factor into the right-side left-side debate. They can take their time with him up here as well.

If they do get fed up with Kuba, you insert Carkner into the Top 6 and Rundblad becomes the 7th D.

I don't trust Carkner to play a different position than he's used to. As someone said, I'd rather Boro if we're gonna bury Kuba (which we won't).

Boro is definitely next in line to take Kuba's spot. After seeing Boro play now for the past few weeks, it's only a matter of time before he takes that spot. It's his to lose next year, that's for sure.

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SpezDispenser wrote:20 games in the A, then bring him up as a PP specialist/10 minutes of even strength time taking small minutes away from Gonchar/Lee. That's probably a pretty good idea Big Ev.

Yeah, dress 7 D and 11 forwards. I could see that happening, actually, at least for a while. You can double shift guys like Spezza and Michalek to fill out your 'fourth' line, and we've got young guys who are going to be on and off, and who will need to see the game from the box every now and then.

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The forgotten man in all of this is Patrick Wiercioch. Remember him? lol. Probably gets traded soon.

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rooneypoo wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:20 games in the A, then bring him up as a PP specialist/10 minutes of even strength time taking small minutes away from Gonchar/Lee. That's probably a pretty good idea Big Ev.

Yeah, dress 7 D and 11 forwards. I could see that happening, actually, at least for a while. You can double shift guys like Spezza and Michalek to fill out your 'fourth' line, and we've got young guys who are going to be on and off, and who will need to see the game from the box every now and then.

No need for double shifting though, we're at the cap floor. Might as well keep 12 F and 7 D, no issues with that I assume.

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Big Ev wrote:The forgotten man in all of this is Patrick Wiercioch. Remember him? lol. Probably gets traded soon.

No need to trade yet IMO. He's a solid 1 1/2 years away, let him progress, the re-assess.

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rooneypoo wrote:
Big Ev wrote:There is zero chance he goes back to Sweden. Skelleftea's GM said not to bother even speculating.

Injury will happen, or a trade, but even if they don't and he's playing well in Bingo, they won't want to keep him down there if he appears ready to take the next step.

I just don't think he will be in Binghamton too long. He'll get comfortable soon, and they'll make room.

Barring a major injury to one of Karlsson, Gonchar, or Lee, I just don't see it in the cards this year for Rundblad. Best case scenario for OTT is that Gonchar rebounds and we can move him in February. That way, Rundblad plays 4-5 months in Bingo, gets some time with the club in the final 2 months, and then has a spot for him next year.

We've waited this long on Lee for him to become serviceable, and it finally looks like he has. Moreover, we have a legitimate need for a defensive, stay-at-home guy on the right, so I don't see him going anywhere. Adding Rundblad to Gonchar and Karlsson makes for a wicked looking D on paper, but probably one that's not as defensively sound as it actually needs to be.

This is, of course, why I've been so mystified with all the 'Rundblad in the NHL this year' talk. I don't see much opportunity for him for that to happen. Not yet, anyway.

If Carkner does not figure in the long-term plans of the Senators, does that mean the right-side, shut-down job falls to Lee? Or at least until Gryba can compete for that spot?

Looking long-term, clearly Karlsson and Rundblad figure to be 2 of the top 3 right-side D in this organization for a decade or more. That leaves one spot for Lee and, yes, Gryba to fight over. Carkner can always be kept as a 7th / spare -- one of the other two will be moved. Hopefully, when it comes to that, they're both playing great and it's a hard choice.

If I had to guess: Lee for two more years, Gryba in the third. Carkner will always be a useful but ultimately plug figure as long as we've got Karlsson and Rundblad.

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Big Ev wrote:The forgotten man in all of this is Patrick Wiercioch. Remember him? lol. Probably gets traded soon.

He's coming along slowly. He needs a big year in Bingo. He's probably still two years away from being able to really compete for a spot. Has to get bigger, more confident out there.

Right now, we've got Phillips for three more years, plus Cowen for a decade or more, and then Boro and Wiercioch. As of today, Boro is ahead of Wiercioch. Wiercioch will have to outplay him in 2-3 years' time, or wait to see what happens with Phillips.

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SpezDispenser wrote:
rooneypoo wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:20 games in the A, then bring him up as a PP specialist/10 minutes of even strength time taking small minutes away from Gonchar/Lee. That's probably a pretty good idea Big Ev.

Yeah, dress 7 D and 11 forwards. I could see that happening, actually, at least for a while. You can double shift guys like Spezza and Michalek to fill out your 'fourth' line, and we've got young guys who are going to be on and off, and who will need to see the game from the box every now and then.

No need for double shifting though, we're at the cap floor. Might as well keep 12 F and 7 D, no issues with that I assume.

You can only dress 18 skaters, dude. NHL rules.

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SpezDispenser wrote:
Big Ev wrote:The forgotten man in all of this is Patrick Wiercioch. Remember him? lol. Probably gets traded soon.

No need to trade yet IMO. He's a solid 1 1/2 years away, let him progress, the re-assess.

Yeah, you get nothing but lost opportunity if you trade him now. Won't get anything. Plus he's finally cracked 200.


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rooneypoo wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:
rooneypoo wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:20 games in the A, then bring him up as a PP specialist/10 minutes of even strength time taking small minutes away from Gonchar/Lee. That's probably a pretty good idea Big Ev.

Yeah, dress 7 D and 11 forwards. I could see that happening, actually, at least for a while. You can double shift guys like Spezza and Michalek to fill out your 'fourth' line, and we've got young guys who are going to be on and off, and who will need to see the game from the box every now and then.

No need for double shifting though, we're at the cap floor. Might as well keep 12 F and 7 D, no issues with that I assume.

You can only dress 18 skaters, dude. NHL rules.

I think there's confusion between how many you can have on an active roster vs. how many you can dress in a particular game. Only 20 can be dressed (including two goalies) but you can carry 23 (3 healthy scratches). So you'd definitely need a swing guy as your 7th. We know Carkner can do that;I'm pretty sure Rundblad or Karlsson could do it, too -- that is playing an occasional shift on the 4th line with Spezza.

That would just be so weird.


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rooneypoo wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:
rooneypoo wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:20 games in the A, then bring him up as a PP specialist/10 minutes of even strength time taking small minutes away from Gonchar/Lee. That's probably a pretty good idea Big Ev.

Yeah, dress 7 D and 11 forwards. I could see that happening, actually, at least for a while. You can double shift guys like Spezza and Michalek to fill out your 'fourth' line, and we've got young guys who are going to be on and off, and who will need to see the game from the box every now and then.

No need for double shifting though, we're at the cap floor. Might as well keep 12 F and 7 D, no issues with that I assume.

You can only dress 18 skaters, dude. NHL rules.

Always got that wrong until now. Didn't realize that.

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wprager wrote:
rooneypoo wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:
rooneypoo wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:20 games in the A, then bring him up as a PP specialist/10 minutes of even strength time taking small minutes away from Gonchar/Lee. That's probably a pretty good idea Big Ev.

Yeah, dress 7 D and 11 forwards. I could see that happening, actually, at least for a while. You can double shift guys like Spezza and Michalek to fill out your 'fourth' line, and we've got young guys who are going to be on and off, and who will need to see the game from the box every now and then.

No need for double shifting though, we're at the cap floor. Might as well keep 12 F and 7 D, no issues with that I assume.

You can only dress 18 skaters, dude. NHL rules.

I think there's confusion between how many you can have on an active roster vs. how many you can dress in a particular game. Only 20 can be dressed (including two goalies) but you can carry 23 (3 healthy scratches). So you'd definitely need a swing guy as your 7th. We know Carkner can do that;I'm pretty sure Rundblad or Karlsson could do it, too -- that is playing an occasional shift on the 4th line with Spezza.

That would just be so weird.

No confusion on this on my part. 18 skaters + 2 goalies = game roster. 3 of those 20 have to be able to play the left-side D pairings. Those things don't and won't change.

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SpezDispenser wrote:
rooneypoo wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:
rooneypoo wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:20 games in the A, then bring him up as a PP specialist/10 minutes of even strength time taking small minutes away from Gonchar/Lee. That's probably a pretty good idea Big Ev.

Yeah, dress 7 D and 11 forwards. I could see that happening, actually, at least for a while. You can double shift guys like Spezza and Michalek to fill out your 'fourth' line, and we've got young guys who are going to be on and off, and who will need to see the game from the box every now and then.

No need for double shifting though, we're at the cap floor. Might as well keep 12 F and 7 D, no issues with that I assume.

You can only dress 18 skaters, dude. NHL rules.

Always got that wrong until now. Didn't realize that.

Can you imagine regularly benching guys like Condra and Greening on a nightly basis to make room for a 7the D? Tough call. But that's the only way that Rundblad is going to see somewhat-regular ice-time in the NHL as of right now.

Just don't see it happening anytime soon.

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