Now that it's over, what is (realistically) our Ottawa starting lineup in October?

TheAvatar wrote:You're not proposing that Lehner be the backup in Ottawa next year I hope. I veto that. I agree with SD that Lehner can be #1 in Bingo next year ...

I'm proposing that Lehner be the starter in Bingo and the callup if Anderson gets hurt. I'm proposing that our backup be someone like Auld and that he (Auld) be third on the depth chart.

That's not what I said. I said Lehner is #2, because as Murray said, he is. He will be #1 in Binghamton, and #2 in the NHL if Anderson doesn't play. The back-up as already stated, will only play a handful of games, or in relief of Andy.

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TheAvatar wrote:You're not proposing that Lehner be the backup in Ottawa next year I hope. I veto that. I agree with SD that Lehner can be #1 in Bingo next year ...

I'm proposing that Lehner be the starter in Bingo and the callup if Anderson gets hurt. I'm proposing that our backup be someone like Auld and that he (Auld) be third on the depth chart.

I'm not going to veto that; I think it's a fine idea ..

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spader wrote:

TheAvatar wrote:You're not proposing that Lehner be the backup in Ottawa next year I hope. I veto that. I agree with SD that Lehner can be #1 in Bingo next year ...

I'm proposing that Lehner be the starter in Bingo and the callup if Anderson gets hurt. I'm proposing that our backup be someone like Auld and that he (Auld) be third on the depth chart.

I'm not going to veto that; I think it's a fine idea ..

I should hope so. It was Murray's.

spader wrote:

TheAvatar wrote:

spader wrote:

TheAvatar wrote:You're not proposing that Lehner be the backup in Ottawa next year I hope. I veto that. I agree with SD that Lehner can be #1 in Bingo next year ...

I'm proposing that Lehner be the starter in Bingo and the callup if Anderson gets hurt. I'm proposing that our backup be someone like Auld and that he (Auld) be third on the depth chart.

I'm not going to veto that; I think it's a fine idea ..

I should hope so. It was Murray's.

You know what they say about great minds

SD, I know what you're saying but unfortunately for that to work we would have to recall the backup in Bingo so Lehner can keep starting there and then have our NHL backup play goal with the AHL #2 backing up. Why you ask? I don't think the Murrays want to put Lehner through another season of just sitting on the bench for extended periods of time. What's the point in calling him up, and then benching him in favor of the NHL #2? They do want him to continue starts and a little NHL experience mixed with his AHL experience will do nothing to hurt his growth.

Michallica wrote:SD, I know what you're saying but unfortunately for that to work we would have to recall the backup in Bingo so Lehner can keep starting there and then have our NHL backup play goal with the AHL #2 backing up. Why you ask? I don't think the Murrays want to put Lehner through another season of just sitting on the bench for extended periods of time. What's the point in calling him up, and then benching him in favor of the NHL #2? They do want him to continue starts and a little NHL experience mixed with his AHL experience will do nothing to hurt his growth.

Depends on the hypothetical injury to Anderson. First, I don't want Lehner coming up for 3 months, second, that could hurt Ottawa since Lehner's simply not ready (in my eyes) for an extended NHL run yet and third we'll mess with Bingo's success with Lehner gone. I'm a huge fan of seeing Lehner get 65-70 starts in the AHL and not have to even worry in the back of his mind about being called to the NHL. Remember that this kid is 20 years old (when next season starts) - he doesn't need to be moved to the NHL too early - look at some of the great ones in our league, most of them didn't come in until they were 23-24 and there's a reason for that.

After next season - depending on his numbers, what his coaching staff says and what Whamsley says, maybe he can be the backup in Ottawa, but rushing this kid is a mistake.

Bah, I'm not even sure why I care. Lehner was called up and sent down so much this year, rode the pine, everything and when called upon he was magnificent. So I guess if we want to sign a cheap backup who sucks slightly, then so be it.

I'm strongly in the Conklin corner because he is what he is: a great backup who can step in if your starter gets hurt and carry a team for a while. Good teammate, creates very healthy competition between goalies, allows for some stability for Lehner for now.

And also, if I may ask, if Murray wants a backup and nothing more, why didn't he sign MacEllnerdy for 600K? I'm sure he's open to the idea.

Murray seems to be under the impression he can do better than McElhinney.

I hope they don't rush Lehner, we have nothing to lose by having him play more in the AHL (is it possible to "ruin" a prospect by keeping him in the AHL longer ?).

I don't want him to turn out like Steve Mason.

I think the goal is to get Lehner more starts and game time. With Anderson in Ottawa, the only way that's possible is through the AHL. I don't think its so much that he needs time in the AHL, but he needs playing time. Rest assured if we didn't have Anderson, then he would be rushed into playing time in the nhl full time. This way is better and he's certainly the man in the AHL (99% likely that its his last season there), but you also want to reward him with call-ups and no sense in calling him up if he isn't going to play. Then from a development standpoint, you see exactly where he's at too.

Being the number 1 in The AHL is better than being a backup in The NHL at 19-20 years of age, hell up until you are about 24, 25, that's the truth.

NEELY wrote:Being the number 1 in The AHL is better than being a backup in The NHL at 19-20 years of age, hell up until you are about 24, 25, that's the truth.

Yes....but if he's brought up to replace Anderson and be the number one in Ottawa until Anderson gets back, what's the harm in that?

Ummm, maybe a little harm if the team is awful, in which case maybe you bring up a guy like Brust or whoever else is down there.

It's all circumstantial, can't really say one way or another. As it stands now, having 2 all-star goaltenders in the organization playing upwards of 55 games each, perfect situation.

Michallica wrote:

NEELY wrote:Being the number 1 in The AHL is better than being a backup in The NHL at 19-20 years of age, hell up until you are about 24, 25, that's the truth.

Yes....but if he's brought up to replace Anderson and be the number one in Ottawa until Anderson gets back, what's the harm in that?

Nothing. That is exactly what BM said the plan was: he'd be the starter in the AHL, and that in event of an injury to Anderson, he'd get called up to start here. Lots of games, but mostly in the AHL. The backup we sign will be a backup, a permanent #2, always behind Anderson or, if he's injured, then always behind Lehner.

A guy on Dobber thinks Corey Locke is gonna be an integral part of our rebuild. Because he's never been given a chance and because he is PPG in the AHL and was good for the 67's.

I quickly shot him down.

Why would any goalie sign to be #2 in Ottawa, they'll never play if they'll always be behind Anderson and Lehner.

Hoags wrote:Why would any goalie sign to be #2 in Ottawa, they'll never play if they'll always be behind Anderson and Lehner.

Because a guy like Auld, Conklin, so on can make a very good living be a reliable, good team guy backup. They get paid upwards of 1 million dollars a year. Look at Brent Johnsson, perfect backup to Flurry. Knows his role, plays well when asked, and has been around a while to help younger kids if need be.

Ottawa needs an Auld, Conklin, maybe even a Giguere or Ellis at this point. Guys have to know their role, that includes that backup. That's what makes team so successful, people know what their job is and how to do it.

Hoags wrote:Why would any goalie sign to be #2 in Ottawa, they'll never play if they'll always be behind Anderson and Lehner.

A backup that's who...why do you think Auld signed in Montreal? Or anyone behind Brodeur ever. Or Conklin in Pittsburgh/St.Louis.