Rangers acquire Bryan McCabe

The New York Rangers have acquired defenceman Bryan McCabe from the Florida Panthers for forward Tim Kennedy and a 3rd round draft pick in 2011.

Not a great return, not a good sign for a Phillips trade, let's just hang on to him.

Why keep someone just because you won't get much for him? Sens didn't get *anything* for Kovalev, should they have kept him?

Phillips is not worth $3M+.

The Rangers are serious about winning another cup. Next on their list is Richards. How they manage to do it is beyond me.

Why is it that, no matter which thread I go to, there's a debate whether Phillips is worth $3.5M or a 2nd rounder.

Because this is apparently an Ottawa Senators fan site. I'm trying to diversify. Obviously McCabe is a guy who would be a comparable for many defenceman on the market. And by comparable I mean, compared to him, Phillips is worth a lot less.

Dash wrote:Because this is apparently an Ottawa Senators fan site. I'm trying to diversify. Obviously McCabe is a guy who would be a comparable for many defenceman on the market. And by comparable I mean, compared to him, Phillips is worth a lot less.

That's another statement I definitely have to disagree with. They're very different players, granted, and teams tend to pay more for offense rather than defense, but Phillips nets at least what McCabe just did. Brewer got a 3rd and a prospect, or basically what McCabe just got. Phillips brings that back or more, minimum.

McCabe is not a comparable to Phillips. Maybe to Souray.

Dash wrote:Why keep someone just because you won't get much for him? Sens didn't get *anything* for Kovalev, should they have kept him?

Phillips is not worth $3M+.

The Rangers are serious about winning another cup. Next on their list is Richards. How they manage to do it is beyond me.

He absolutely, unequivocally is worth more than $3M. I'd love to get him for 3, and whether Murray does that or not, I don't know. But on the open market he's worth more than $3M. Look at similar players:

- Cory Sarich who is not as good defensively, is of similar age (32), is more physical though, and hasn't put up as good numbers offensively, makes 3.7M per year.
- Eric Brewer, probably a little better offensively, about as physical, a year younger, a little worse defensively, just finished a contract where he was paid $4M per year.
- Mattias Ohlund who is similar defensively, has some leadership, better offensively, and little older, but is signed onto a contract that expires just before his 40th birthday, with a cap hit of $3.67M.

And I can keep going, bringing up contracts like Hannan (4.5), Commodore (3.75), Jackman (3.625), Rivet (3.5)...

Only a few teams left holding their peckers - San Jose is one, unless they think White was the answer.

It's because of McCabe's NTC though, in this case he'd only waive it for NY (apparently) - and he actually wanted to stay in FLA. NY knew this and low-balled - hope it doesn't happen with Phillips, but it might.

Bass Destruction wrote:

Dash wrote:Why keep someone just because you won't get much for him? Sens didn't get *anything* for Kovalev, should they have kept him?

Phillips is not worth $3M+.

The Rangers are serious about winning another cup. Next on their list is Richards. How they manage to do it is beyond me.

He absolutely, unequivocally is worth more than $3M. I'd love to get him for 3, and whether Murray does that or not, I don't know. But on the open market he's worth more than $3M. Look at similar players:

- Cory Sarich who is not as good defensively, is of similar age (32), is more physical though, and hasn't put up as good numbers offensively, makes 3.7M per year.
- Eric Brewer, probably a little better offensively, about as physical, a year younger, a little worse defensively, just finished a contract where he was paid $4M per year.
- Mattias Ohlund who is similar defensively, has some leadership, better offensively, and little older, but is signed onto a contract that expires just before his 40th birthday, with a cap hit of $3.67M.

And I can keep going, bringing up contracts like Hannan (4.5), Commodore (3.75), Jackman (3.625), Rivet (3.5)...

I don't think he's worth 3+ million no matter what other d-men make. Just because they were overpaid doesn't mean we have to overpay Phillips.

I agree that if he wants to stay, he needs to take a paycut. If you want more money, test the market. This is what the Yankees did to Derek Jeter, and in the end he came back on his hands and knees to the Yankees.

Big Ev wrote:

Bass Destruction wrote:

Dash wrote:Why keep someone just because you won't get much for him? Sens didn't get *anything* for Kovalev, should they have kept him?

Phillips is not worth $3M+.

The Rangers are serious about winning another cup. Next on their list is Richards. How they manage to do it is beyond me.

He absolutely, unequivocally is worth more than $3M. I'd love to get him for 3, and whether Murray does that or not, I don't know. But on the open market he's worth more than $3M. Look at similar players:

- Cory Sarich who is not as good defensively, is of similar age (32), is more physical though, and hasn't put up as good numbers offensively, makes 3.7M per year.
- Eric Brewer, probably a little better offensively, about as physical, a year younger, a little worse defensively, just finished a contract where he was paid $4M per year.
- Mattias Ohlund who is similar defensively, has some leadership, better offensively, and little older, but is signed onto a contract that expires just before his 40th birthday, with a cap hit of $3.67M.

And I can keep going, bringing up contracts like Hannan (4.5), Commodore (3.75), Jackman (3.625), Rivet (3.5)...

I don't think he's worth 3+ million no matter what other d-men make. Just because they were overpaid doesn't mean we have to overpay Phillips.

I agree that if he wants to stay, he needs to take a paycut. If you want more money, test the market. This is what the Yankees did to Derek Jeter, and in the end he came back on his hands and knees to the Yankees.

So you'd rather risk all the animosity towards a guy who's been here for 11 years for what, 500K-1M of cap space that the team don't even remotely close to need? Or because it "looks bad"? To whom exactly? and who cares? Melnyk? This is ridiculous...

Big Ev wrote:

Bass Destruction wrote:

Dash wrote:Why keep someone just because you won't get much for him? Sens didn't get *anything* for Kovalev, should they have kept him?

Phillips is not worth $3M+.

The Rangers are serious about winning another cup. Next on their list is Richards. How they manage to do it is beyond me.

He absolutely, unequivocally is worth more than $3M. I'd love to get him for 3, and whether Murray does that or not, I don't know. But on the open market he's worth more than $3M. Look at similar players:

- Cory Sarich who is not as good defensively, is of similar age (32), is more physical though, and hasn't put up as good numbers offensively, makes 3.7M per year.
- Eric Brewer, probably a little better offensively, about as physical, a year younger, a little worse defensively, just finished a contract where he was paid $4M per year.
- Mattias Ohlund who is similar defensively, has some leadership, better offensively, and little older, but is signed onto a contract that expires just before his 40th birthday, with a cap hit of $3.67M.

And I can keep going, bringing up contracts like Hannan (4.5), Commodore (3.75), Jackman (3.625), Rivet (3.5)...

I don't think he's worth 3+ million no matter what other d-men make. Just because they were overpaid doesn't mean we have to overpay Phillips.

I agree that if he wants to stay, he needs to take a paycut. If you want more money, test the market. This is what the Yankees did to Derek Jeter, and in the end he came back on his hands and knees to the Yankees.

That's how salaries are set, based on similar contracts to similar players.

And are you seriously trying to compare the salary offer to Phillips to the salary of the 3rd highest paid player (per year) in baseball? Jeter makes $22.6M per year, and that's the offer he got from the Yankees. Obviously no one is going to go higher than that.

Bass Destruction wrote:

Dash wrote:Why keep someone just because you won't get much for him? Sens didn't get *anything* for Kovalev, should they have kept him?

Phillips is not worth $3M+.

The Rangers are serious about winning another cup. Next on their list is Richards. How they manage to do it is beyond me.

He absolutely, unequivocally is worth more than $3M. I'd love to get him for 3, and whether Murray does that or not, I don't know. But on the open market he's worth more than $3M. Look at similar players:

- Cory Sarich who is not as good defensively, is of similar age (32), is more physical though, and hasn't put up as good numbers offensively, makes 3.7M per year.
- Eric Brewer, probably a little better offensively, about as physical, a year younger, a little worse defensively, just finished a contract where he was paid $4M per year.
- Mattias Ohlund who is similar defensively, has some leadership, better offensively, and little older, but is signed onto a contract that expires just before his 40th birthday, with a cap hit of $3.67M.

And I can keep going, bringing up contracts like Hannan (4.5), Commodore (3.75), Jackman (3.625), Rivet (3.5)...

so because other teams have overpaid dmen we should too?

a player's open market value is usually much higher than their actual worth. im ok with 3M for phillips, but it is an overpayment

Big Ev and Garblar understand where I am coming from.