The long investigation that led to the new sponsorship rules

wprager wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:I just re-checked the original email Hemlock sent me, Wprager:

Under one IP, there is 1 Guest, 5 Notch aliases, CR, and SS.

What are the 5 Notch aliases? I could only find 4.

wprager wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:I just re-checked the original email Hemlock sent me, Wprager:

Under one IP, there is 1 Guest, 5 Notch aliases, CR, and SS.

What are the 5 Notch aliases? I could only find 4.

wprager wrote:

NEELY wrote:

wprager wrote:By the way, when did Neely ever come out and say he knew the real Roche?

Never said I knew him, I said he was an instructor at a camp I was at in 97.

Rooney said you knew him, earlier.

asq2 wrote:Even if Roche is Notch, so what?

rooneypoo wrote:

asq2 wrote:Even if Roche is Notch, so what?

So you'd be OK if I started pretending I was Martin Brodeur tomorrow? I could create a new account for it and everything.

Where does it end?

rooneypoo wrote:

wprager wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:I just re-checked the original email Hemlock sent me, Wprager:

Under one IP, there is 1 Guest, 5 Notch aliases, CR, and SS.

What are the 5 Notch aliases? I could only find 4.

This is what I have:

IP address for this post
99.250.69.175 [ 8 Posts ] [ Look up IP address ]
Users posting from this IP address
Guest [ 547 Posts ] Find all posts by Guest
notch77 [ 10 Posts ] Find all posts by notch77
notch_4077 [ 8 Posts ] Find all posts by notch_4077
4077notch [ 7 Posts ] Find all posts by 4077notch
notch4077 [ 3 Posts ] Find all posts by notch4077
notch [ 2 Posts ] Find all posts by notch
Straight Shooter [ 1 Post ] Find all posts by Straight Shooter
CockRoche [ 1 Post ] Find all posts by CockRoche

And I count 5 Notch aliases, plus guest, pus CR & SS. If I had to guess, the "Guest" account is probably Cloverleaf or one of the deleted Notch accounts, but that's just a guess.

wprager wrote:

shabbs wrote:

Dash wrote:I can't tell if you are trying to argue for or against the notion that Notch and Roche are or are not one in the same?

Heh. I'm just pointing out that IP addresses can be manipulated...

Yes, they can.

Now see if you can manipulate it to be the same as mine.

ETA: This is the IP address for this post:
99.224.124.213 [ CPE001b11251e39-CM0012c9daeb78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com ]

asq2 wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

asq2 wrote:Even if Roche is Notch, so what?

So you'd be OK if I started pretending I was Martin Brodeur tomorrow? I could create a new account for it and everything.

Where does it end?

Isn't that a bit reductio ad absurdem?

That is, granted, an interesting point you raised up. I don't recall the specifics but I remember Neely being pissed that Roche was saying he was someone Neely didn't think he is. Did that really affect the posts he made, though? Analyzing a goalie under a false name is not the same as spreading rumours under the name Bob McKenzie or something in terms of the inconveniencing of other members. I don't really care who he says he was (I'd forgotten about it, actually). Tukker was a great poster, but I don't think we gave him more credence because he was an ex-NHLer rather than just reading what he posted.

That is a better reason to ban him and I suppose influenced by the whole IP scenario, though. But surely there could have been less extreme solutions.

EDIT: Also I still feel like this should have been the reason given at the outset. Re-reading the thread I did see you said it, but you didn't make the decision. It seems to me that the decision was made almost entirely out of the fact that we think/discovered he was Notch, and now we're trying to come up with other reasons. Not sure I'm comfortable with doing something like this and then thinking up ways to justify it later, though I suppose a just action is a just action.

SeawaySensFan wrote:How's the investigation coming along?

shabbs wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:How's the investigation coming along?

wprager wrote:Not Tukker. Tuk Tuk is a 17-year-old songwriter. The one you're thinking of is someone else. I forgot who, though.

asq2 wrote:

wprager wrote:Not Tukker. Tuk Tuk is a 17-year-old songwriter. The one you're thinking of is someone else. I forgot who, though.

Tuk Tuk is Tukker's nephew IIRC.

Tukker was a member of our community going back to the HB days. I'm definitely sure he was the ex-NHLer.

asq2 wrote:

wprager wrote:Not Tukker. Tuk Tuk is a 17-year-old songwriter. The one you're thinking of is someone else. I forgot who, though.

Tuk Tuk is Tukker's nephew IIRC.

Tukker was a member of our community going back to the HB days. I'm definitely sure he was the ex-NHLer.

asq2 wrote:

wprager wrote:Not Tukker. Tuk Tuk is a 17-year-old songwriter. The one you're thinking of is someone else. I forgot who, though.

Tuk Tuk is Tukker's nephew IIRC.

Tukker was a member of our community going back to the HB days. I'm definitely sure he was the ex-NHLer.

asq2 wrote:Haha, I was kind of hoping it would go in this direction. Tukker was a poster on HockeyBuzz (HB) and one of the more frequent posters here in the early days of the site. Look up "Tukker's Best of Franchise Series," for example.

He definitely was - or claimed to be - Christian Robert Godfrey. That's even a profile under the "Fighting Montagoose Sighting Society" facebook group. Maybe he (Tukker) is that person but that person wasn't an ex-NHLer; I don't know.

He also left the site as Tuk Tuk joined. So maybe they're the same person. The point is, I don't really care either way. And obviously no one has any intention of banning Tuk Tuk for masquerading as someone else, if that's what he did, because he's a quality poster and an established member of the community.

Now, I'm not sure how Roche is a different situation.