Preds acquire Mike Fisher for 2011 1st Round Pick + Condition 2012 pick!

111519 wrote:

hemlock wrote:

111519 wrote:ufa's in 2012
and 25 million to spend...

That simple huh?

This team simply doesn't attract quality FA's unless they are past-their-prime Russians who are given an inflated salary and/or term.

FA isn't the way to rebuild this club. Build from within.

They have to go somewhere and money talks, plus the ufa's I mentioned are all under 30 and may want to join a young team making a run. I mean look at that defence-you don't think schneider would like to play in front of that??? Hemskey plays in edmonton, I would say Ottawa as a city is an upgrade....

I suppose it's all technically possible. But you have to admit, with Ottawa's UFA history, it's unlikely in the extreme.

Dash wrote:Don't like any of those signings. At all.

They are just for examples really, but you do have to have some vetrans, and you do have to sell tickets as well

hemlock wrote:

111519 wrote:

hemlock wrote:

111519 wrote:ufa's in 2012
and 25 million to spend...

That simple huh?

This team simply doesn't attract quality FA's unless they are past-their-prime Russians who are given an inflated salary and/or term.

FA isn't the way to rebuild this club. Build from within.

They have to go somewhere and money talks, plus the ufa's I mentioned are all under 30 and may want to join a young team making a run. I mean look at that defence-you don't think schneider would like to play in front of that??? Hemskey plays in edmonton, I would say Ottawa as a city is an upgrade....

I suppose it's all technically possible. But you have to admit, with Ottawa's UFA history, it's unlikely in the extreme.

I agree. But I also believe if some quality players (UFA's) see a true rebuild on a Canadian team, they maybe enticed to come here. Ottawa has a history of playoff appearences and long term contracts.

111519 wrote:

hemlock wrote:

111519 wrote:

hemlock wrote:

111519 wrote:ufa's in 2012
and 25 million to spend...

That simple huh?

This team simply doesn't attract quality FA's unless they are past-their-prime Russians who are given an inflated salary and/or term.

FA isn't the way to rebuild this club. Build from within.

They have to go somewhere and money talks, plus the ufa's I mentioned are all under 30 and may want to join a young team making a run. I mean look at that defence-you don't think schneider would like to play in front of that??? Hemskey plays in edmonton, I would say Ottawa as a city is an upgrade....

I suppose it's all technically possible. But you have to admit, with Ottawa's UFA history, it's unlikely in the extreme.

I agree. But I also believe if some quality players (UFA's) see a true rebuild on a Canadian team, they maybe enticed to come here. Ottawa has a history of playoff appearences and long term contracts.

and choking...and cliques...and bad coaches

I don't want to spend money on UFAs when the Sens have guys of their own who they are trying to develop. Give Butler, Petersson and Silfverberg shots over UFAs any day. Even Hoffman and other guys too.

That's the idea of a rebuild. Boyes is not good. Hemsky is injury prone. Schneider would be a slap in the face to Lehner thus killing his development.

Save the money and use it to re-sign Karlsson, and others in the future.

Big Ev wrote:

111519 wrote:

hemlock wrote:

111519 wrote:

hemlock wrote:

111519 wrote:ufa's in 2012
and 25 million to spend...

That simple huh?

This team simply doesn't attract quality FA's unless they are past-their-prime Russians who are given an inflated salary and/or term.

FA isn't the way to rebuild this club. Build from within.

They have to go somewhere and money talks, plus the ufa's I mentioned are all under 30 and may want to join a young team making a run. I mean look at that defence-you don't think schneider would like to play in front of that??? Hemskey plays in edmonton, I would say Ottawa as a city is an upgrade....

I suppose it's all technically possible. But you have to admit, with Ottawa's UFA history, it's unlikely in the extreme.

I agree. But I also believe if some quality players (UFA's) see a true rebuild on a Canadian team, they maybe enticed to come here. Ottawa has a history of playoff appearences and long term contracts.

and choking...and cliques...and bad coaches

You're talking about Toronto aren't you?

Dash wrote:I don't want to spend money on UFAs when the Sens have guys of their own who they are trying to develop. Give Butler, Petersson and Silfverberg shots over UFAs any day. Even Hoffman and other guys too.

That's the idea of a rebuild. Boyes is not good. Hemsky is injury prone. Schneider would be a slap in the face to Lehner thus killing his development.

Save the money and use it to re-sign Karlsson, and others in the future.

Hey I am all for letting prospects develop but you still have to sell tickets, and the young guys need vetrans around to show them how the NHL works on and off the ice. Our prospects are not like edmonton's, we don't have Hall, Eberle, and MSP. Lets be realistic, right now we will be lucky if any of the kids you mentioned become 2nd liners. This team is going to have to add some UFA's along the way-there is no other option. Except for Karlsson and perhaps Rundblad who are obviously defencemen, we have no stars waiting in the wings-balancing our youth/prospects with ufa's is what we have available to us for this rebuild.

Dash wrote:I don't want to spend money on UFAs when the Sens have guys of their own who they are trying to develop. Give Butler, Petersson and Silfverberg shots over UFAs any day. Even Hoffman and other guys too.

That's the idea of a rebuild. Boyes is not good. Hemsky is injury prone. Schneider would be a slap in the face to Lehner thus killing his development.

Save the money and use it to re-sign Karlsson, and others in the future.

That's simply not gonna work. We need to spend some cold, hard money on a goalie and a winger and potentially a veteran D-man. The rest of the spots you can use Butler etc., Silfverberg has already said he's not coming to NA next year, Petersson has terrible back issues and may not play much more this year, Hoffman is 3 years away from being physically mature and ready for the NHL. Gryba might have a chance, that's someone to look at, Wiercioch might have a chance, but he needs to get some meat on his bones, so likely another year + in the AHL.

The MOST optimistic you can get is that Butler earns a top 6 spot, Da Costa or someone like that is signed and breaks out and perhaps Gryba. Z.Smith, Jesse Winchester etc, are all bottom 6 guys and no one should really be under any illusions otherwise. The Ottawa 1st rounder might make the lineup, that would be an exciting piece, but the Sens should aggressively pursue a Brad Richards C/winger, a goalie and a guy like Chris Phillips.

That's my opinion.

spezza's name is being thrown around again especially involving LA. would you guys move Spezza to LA for Brown and Schenn????

SpezDispenser wrote:

Dash wrote:I don't want to spend money on UFAs when the Sens have guys of their own who they are trying to develop. Give Butler, Petersson and Silfverberg shots over UFAs any day. Even Hoffman and other guys too.

That's the idea of a rebuild. Boyes is not good. Hemsky is injury prone. Schneider would be a slap in the face to Lehner thus killing his development.

Save the money and use it to re-sign Karlsson, and others in the future.

That's simply not gonna work. We need to spend some cold, hard money on a goalie and a winger and potentially a veteran D-man. The rest of the spots you can use Butler etc., Silfverberg has already said he's not coming to NA next year, Petersson has terrible back issues and may not play much more this year, Hoffman is 3 years away from being physically mature and ready for the NHL. Gryba might have a chance, that's someone to look at, Wiercioch might have a chance, but he needs to get some meat on his bones, so likely another year + in the AHL.

The MOST optimistic you can get is that Butler earns a top 6 spot, Da Costa or someone like that is signed and breaks out and perhaps Gryba. Z.Smith, Jesse Winchester etc, are all bottom 6 guys and no one should really be under any illusions otherwise. The Ottawa 1st rounder might make the lineup, that would be an exciting piece, but the Sens should aggressively pursue a Brad Richards C/winger, a goalie and a guy like Chris Phillips.

That's my opinion.

I think Smith has potential to move up the depth chart. Call it a hunch, but if any of our young bottom-6 guys (I count Foligno and Regin as middle-6, so they're not included in this discussion) can make the jump in the next couple of years, I think it's Smith.

111519 wrote:spezza's name is being thrown around again especially involving LA. would you guys move Spezza to LA for Brown and Schenn????

Thrown around by who, for example?

SeawaySensFan wrote:

111519 wrote:spezza's name is being thrown around again especially involving LA. would you guys move Spezza to LA for Brown and Schenn????

Thrown around by who, for example?

Eklund.

And yes, I'd do that deal in an instant. Schenn would replace Fisher as early as next year, and we'll have the ability at the draft to replace Spezza (although it would be down the line somewhat). Dustin Brown is a hitting machine, and has some scoring touch. He's basically L.A.'s version of Fisher in terms of popularity and an all around strong game. Love that kid.

yeah I don't see Spezza going anywhere, he is one of the guys still young enough to keep around to usher in the new generation of young Sens, is he the most desirable option for the job, maybe not, but well , he's our # 1 centre, we just need to get him someone to play with, so draft a good winger this year Murray.

By the way, Pierre McGuire thinks it was a good deal considering that Murray had limited options due to Fisher's NTC.

True story.

Fisher didn’t have a NTC. More like a limited-NTC. But the options were limited. Sounds more like Bryan Murray limited himself based on his desire to respect Fisher’s wishes. Classy move, in my opinion, and I doubt that other packages being offered were substantially better than Nashville’s.

It’ll take an amazing package to get Murray to move Spezza. Play-making centres like him don’t grow on trees, especially coupled with his faceoff ability. It’s not like we need his cap hit off the books either.

It’s hard to get a read on Spezza to know if he would actually waive his NTC. I’m sure there are certain teams he’d be willing to go to (LA?). After all the abuse he’s taken in this city, I wouldn’t blame him one bit for waiving the NTC.

SensFan71 wrote:yeah I don't see Spezza going anywhere, he is one of the guys still young enough to keep around to usher in the new generation of young Sens, is he the most desirable option for the job, maybe not, but well , he's our # 1 centre, we just need to get him someone to play with, so draft a good winger this year Murray.

You people who want Spezza gone are delusional.

What other C's are available that average more than a point a game. Plus even last year with squat to play with he put up just under a point a game. There were only 8 C's last year that averaged a point a game, 10 the year before and 12 the year before that...

Really...you want to trade away one of the top scoring C's in the league for what? Who is going to replace the scoring void you'll have without him.

22_4_ever wrote:

SensFan71 wrote:yeah I don't see Spezza going anywhere, he is one of the guys still young enough to keep around to usher in the new generation of young Sens, is he the most desirable option for the job, maybe not, but well , he's our # 1 centre, we just need to get him someone to play with, so draft a good winger this year Murray.

You people who want Spezza gone are delusional.

What other C's are available that average more than a point a game. Plus even last year with squat to play with he put up just under a point a game. There were only 8 C's last year that averaged a point a game, 10 the year before and 12 the year before that...

Really...you want to trade away one of the top scoring C's in the league for what? Who is going to replace the scoring void you'll have without him.

ek certainly wants to make it happen, has had a hardon for a Spezz trade for a long time now he has, either edmonton or LA always as the destinations, for me, you keep Spezza here right until he is ready to hang them up, hopefully he can be a bit more healthy in the next coming years, but even then, he has still been very good for us and will only get more and more important to this team.

SeawaySensFan wrote:By the way, Pierre McGuire thinks it was a good deal considering that Murray had limited options due to Fisher's NTC.

True story.