The Official 2011 Tank Nation thread

BTW I don't care about nationality if we draft Larsson

Big Ev wrote:BTW I don't care about nationality if we draft Larsson

Although I want a forward - badly, Larsson would be crazy to add to our D fold. If we get 1st overall, we have so many options, it'll be amazing - including trading down of course.

I've always wondered why isn't Couturier more popular than the other 2. Pretty sure, once again that the WJC has something to do with it and nobody actually watches the guy play in his junoir league. He could be as good as Toews in a few years. Without the captaincy at 20.
Richards and Toews are great centers and they're not that skilled. Couturier is probably more skilled than these guys and he's 6'4.
EDIT: And he certainly carries his team more than Landeskog does on a stacked Kitchener team.

marakh wrote:I've always wondered why isn't Couturier more popular than the other 2. Pretty sure, once again that the WJC has something to do with it and nobody actually watches the guy play in his junoir league. He could be as good as Toews in a few years. Without the captaincy at 20.
Richards and Toews are great centers and they're not that skilled. Couturier is probably more skilled than these guys and he's 6'4.
EDIT: And he certainly carries his team more than Landeskog does on a stacked Kitchener team.

Nice write-up, I've voiced my confusion over his 'snubbing' out of the top 3.

SpezDispenser wrote:

marakh wrote:I've always wondered why isn't Couturier more popular than the other 2. Pretty sure, once again that the WJC has something to do with it and nobody actually watches the guy play in his junoir league. He could be as good as Toews in a few years. Without the captaincy at 20.
Richards and Toews are great centers and they're not that skilled. Couturier is probably more skilled than these guys and he's 6'4.
EDIT: And he certainly carries his team more than Landeskog does on a stacked Kitchener team.

Nice write-up, I've voiced my confusion over his 'snubbing' out of the top 3.

I just read an old scouting report write-up that placed Couturier at the top of the heap. Mind you, this was from September, so things will change.

Well I guess the one thing to agree on, is the choice for the Sens staff will be a tough one.

Dash wrote:Well I guess the one thing to agree on, is the choice for the Sens staff will be a tough one.

It will be easy to grab an impact player, but it will be tough to pick the one that fits into the mold of Ottawa's future, as that will be unknown at the time of the draft.

CockRoche wrote:

Dash wrote:Well I guess the one thing to agree on, is the choice for the Sens staff will be a tough one.

It will be easy to grab an impact player, tough to pick the one that fits into the mold of Ottawa's future, as that will be unknown at the time of the draft.

Assuming we pick second, I'm hoping that Edmonton takes Larsson and one of RNH, Landeskog, or Couturier makes it an easy choice. It's always a crap shoot, but I for one hope we get a Kane, not a van Riemsdyk.

spader wrote:

CockRoche wrote:

Dash wrote:Well I guess the one thing to agree on, is the choice for the Sens staff will be a tough one.

It will be easy to grab an impact player, tough to pick the one that fits into the mold of Ottawa's future, as that will be unknown at the time of the draft.

Assuming we pick second, I'm hoping that Edmonton takes Larsson and one of RNH, Landeskog, or Couturier makes it an easy choice. It's always a crap shoot, but I for one hope we get a Kane, not a van Riemsdyk.

JVR is still just 21 and plays on a stacked team = not much ice time. It's more of a develpment thing than talent IMO.

marakh wrote:

spader wrote:

CockRoche wrote:

Dash wrote:Well I guess the one thing to agree on, is the choice for the Sens staff will be a tough one.

It will be easy to grab an impact player, but it will be tough to pick the one that fits into the mold of Ottawa's future, as that will be unknown at the time of the draft.

Assuming we pick second, I'm hoping that Edmonton takes Larsson and one of RNH, Landeskog, or Couturier makes it an easy choice. It's always a crap shoot, but I for one hope we get a Kane, not a van Riemsdyk.

JVR is still just 21 and plays on a stacked team = not much ice time. It's more of a develpment thing than talent IMO.

Don't forget about the power forward versus the skill player equation.

Maybe Spader just wants a player that can contribute 72 points in their rookie year? If that is the case, I'm sorry to say, that player isn't eligible to be drafted in 2011.

marakh wrote:

spader wrote:

CockRoche wrote:

Dash wrote:Well I guess the one thing to agree on, is the choice for the Sens staff will be a tough one.

It will be easy to grab an impact player, tough to pick the one that fits into the mold of Ottawa's future, as that will be unknown at the time of the draft.

Assuming we pick second, I'm hoping that Edmonton takes Larsson and one of RNH, Landeskog, or Couturier makes it an easy choice. It's always a crap shoot, but I for one hope we get a Kane, not a van Riemsdyk.

JVR is still just 21 and plays on a stacked team = not much ice time. It's more of a develpment thing than talent IMO.

Is that how you'd explain Turris, too?

High draft picks bust all the time. It IS a crap shoot. Thank god we have someone like BM guiding us through it, is all I can say.

rooneypoo wrote:

marakh wrote:

spader wrote:

CockRoche wrote:

Dash wrote:Well I guess the one thing to agree on, is the choice for the Sens staff will be a tough one.

It will be easy to grab an impact player, tough to pick the one that fits into the mold of Ottawa's future, as that will be unknown at the time of the draft.

Assuming we pick second, I'm hoping that Edmonton takes Larsson and one of RNH, Landeskog, or Couturier makes it an easy choice. It's always a crap shoot, but I for one hope we get a Kane, not a van Riemsdyk.

JVR is still just 21 and plays on a stacked team = not much ice time. It's more of a develpment thing than talent IMO.

Is that how you'd explain Turris, too?

High draft picks bust all the time. It IS a crap shoot. Thank god we have someone like BM guiding us through it, is all I can say.

No, Turris has been rushed when he was not physically mature yet. He was not smart and quick enough to play on the 3rd line. And he's not a bust yet. Did you say that Bobby Ryan was also a bust before the he made the league in 2009?

marakh wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

marakh wrote:

spader wrote:

CockRoche wrote:

Dash wrote:Well I guess the one thing to agree on, is the choice for the Sens staff will be a tough one.

It will be easy to grab an impact player, tough to pick the one that fits into the mold of Ottawa's future, as that will be unknown at the time of the draft.

Assuming we pick second, I'm hoping that Edmonton takes Larsson and one of RNH, Landeskog, or Couturier makes it an easy choice. It's always a crap shoot, but I for one hope we get a Kane, not a van Riemsdyk.

JVR is still just 21 and plays on a stacked team = not much ice time. It's more of a develpment thing than talent IMO.

Is that how you'd explain Turris, too?

High draft picks bust all the time. It IS a crap shoot. Thank god we have someone like BM guiding us through it, is all I can say.

No, Turris has been rushed when he was not physically mature yet. He was not smart and quick enough to play on the 3rd line. And he's not a bust yet. Did you say that Bobby Ryan was also a bust before the he made the league in 2009?

So you're saying that that powerhouse duo of Eric Belanger & Martin Hanzal are holding Turris back and locking him out of the top 6 / top 2 center slots?

CockRoche wrote:

marakh wrote:

spader wrote:

CockRoche wrote:

Dash wrote:Well I guess the one thing to agree on, is the choice for the Sens staff will be a tough one.

It will be easy to grab an impact player, but it will be tough to pick the one that fits into the mold of Ottawa's future, as that will be unknown at the time of the draft.

Assuming we pick second, I'm hoping that Edmonton takes Larsson and one of RNH, Landeskog, or Couturier makes it an easy choice. It's always a crap shoot, but I for one hope we get a Kane, not a van Riemsdyk.

JVR is still just 21 and plays on a stacked team = not much ice time. It's more of a develpment thing than talent IMO.

Don't forget about the power forward versus the skill player equation.


Maybe Spader just wants a player that can contribute 72 points in their rookie year? If that is the case, I'm sorry to say, that player isn't eligible to be drafted in 2011.

Of course there will be a discrepancy between a power forward and a skill player. My point is that I hope we get someone that can contribute right away (JVR took 2 years longer than Kane to break into the NHL) contribute, maybe not 72 points as a rookie, but at a better pace than the 35 points JVR got last year. I'm hoping for an impact player, not a supportive cast, secondary type of guy.

spader wrote:

CockRoche wrote:

marakh wrote:

spader wrote:

CockRoche wrote:

Dash wrote:Well I guess the one thing to agree on, is the choice for the Sens staff will be a tough one.

It will be easy to grab an impact player, but it will be tough to pick the one that fits into the mold of Ottawa's future, as that will be unknown at the time of the draft.

Assuming we pick second, I'm hoping that Edmonton takes Larsson and one of RNH, Landeskog, or Couturier makes it an easy choice. It's always a crap shoot, but I for one hope we get a Kane, not a van Riemsdyk.

JVR is still just 21 and plays on a stacked team = not much ice time. It's more of a develpment thing than talent IMO.

Don't forget about the power forward versus the skill player equation.


Maybe Spader just wants a player that can contribute 72 points in their rookie year? If that is the case, I'm sorry to say, that player isn't eligible to be drafted in 2011.

Of course there will be a discrepancy between a power forward and a skill player. My point is that I hope we get someone that can contribute right away (JVR took 2 years longer than Kane to break into the NHL) contribute, maybe not 72 points as a rookie, but at a better pace than the 35 points JVR got last year. I'm hoping for an impact player, not a supportive cast, secondary type of guy.

I understood what you meant; I just wasn't very clear with my post. I figured you knew the different rate at which Kane vs JVR-type players develop. I also assumed that you wanted an impact player right away (Kane).

What I don't see is that player in this years draft.

Islanders up next. Lets get that bus back on route shall we?

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Islanders up next. Lets get that bus back on route shall we?

Boo!

wprager wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Islanders up next. Lets get that bus back on route shall we?

Boo!

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