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Olympic Game Day: Switzerland vs. Canada 7:30PM EST. Thurs. Feb 18, 2010

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Switzerland vs. Canada Feb. 18, 2010

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Look at how Ovechkin is playing tonight, there wasnt a Canadian playing with anywhere near the intensity that he is playing with right now.

Anyways, cheer for Canada all you want but do it because you actually believe in the team, not just because they are Canadian and you have to.

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Until the Winter Olympics are played in April-June you should really put away the "Canadian players prefer to win the Cup than an Olympic Gold" argument. They weren't playing for Lord Stanley's mug in '72. All those "Canada Cup" (back when NHL players *were not allowed* in the Olympics) were not about The Cup.

Bottom line is these guys have been winners all their lives and, whether this is just another tourney or not, they want to win it. If they had a choice between winning a Cup and winning Gold, sure, the choice would be clear; but I don't think that, during the game, any of them are thinking "Hmm, if I push *that much* harder I might get injured and risk my chance of getting the Stanley Cup".

Did the Canadian team get a little cocky/complacent/whatever? Damn straight. They are *not* used to a one-game-and-you're-done attitude and, let's face it, with the exception of the game against the US everyone (in the locker room, over here on this board, in the media, etc.) is fully expecting that these pare pretty close to "nothing" games. Wrong attitude, obviously, but I'm not ready to throw the entire team under the "diva" bus based on one game.

Yzerman underestimated what it takes to win an Olympic Gold. A player like Pronger, for example, could be very useful in a 7-game series officiated by NHL refs. Those bone-crushing and sometimes penalized hits have a lot more impact when you know you're playing the same team in a couple of days, and again, and again. In a one-game-and-out situation those hits could lose you the entire tournament.

I didn't really want to single Pronger out, but it was his play that led directly to the tying goal and the lost point. I don't know if the extra Swiss attacker had come on yet (I'm pretty sure he didn't make an impact on the play), but Pronger put himself way out of position to take a selfish retaliation penalty, and instead of a defenseman facing the shot it was Marleau skating into the crease with his eyes away from the shot. Tied game, all on Pronger.

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N4L wrote:Look at how Ovechkin is playing tonight, there wasnt a Canadian playing with anywhere near the intensity that he is playing with right now.

Anyways, cheer for Canada all you want but do it because you actually believe in the team, not just because they are Canadian and you have to.

But the Russians lost, and the Canadians won. Not really sure you made your point, there.

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Those who are saying this lost point could cost us the tournament should read the rules. The three pool leaders and the next highest point total team get a bye to the quarter finals, but that's only 4 teams, and you need 4 more to have a quarter finals round. The remaining 8 teams then compete for the other 4 quarter finals spots. Sure, if Canada doesn't get a bye they have to play one extra game, but these players are used to having to play as many as 28 games to win the Cup, after playing and 82-game round robin. If anything, it may give them an even better chance to develop some chemistry with their linemates.



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Russia lost... things just got very interesting..

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I was going to give you a plus one but I figured you deserved a full on Thanks worth 5. Smile Maybe I could sense the frustration since you made some typos. Wink


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I feel that the Olympics have confirmed that Michalek and Cheechoo for Heatley trade definitely benefited the Senators.

anyone else notice:
- Heatley is not a good skater
- Healtey doesn't dig for the puck (even Thornton is banging people in the corners)
- Healtey complains to the ref when the whistle is blown to early
- Healtey is in the offensive zone, Swiss has the puck in the neutral and he's holding the stick of one of the Swiss players that isn't in the play... why bother doing something like that.

What a bag of dung. I will give him that he's standing in front of the net but we'll see if he does that against USA.

Starting to think that he's really like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1bbZKXIg8Y

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This one deserves to be embedded:

DirtyDave wrote:I feel that the Olympics have confirmed that Michalek and Cheechoo for Heatley trade definitely benefited the Senators.

anyone else notice:
- Heatley is not a good skater
- Healtey doesn't dig for the puck (even Thornton is banging people in the corners)
- Healtey complains to the ref when the whistle is blown to early
- Healtey is in the offensive zone, Swiss has the puck in the neutral and he's holding the stick of one of the Swiss players that isn't in the play... why bother doing something like that.

What a bag of dung. I will give him that he's standing in front of the net but we'll see if he does that against USA.

Starting to think that he's really like this:


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hemlock wrote:What a costly game potentially. Now Canada has to beat the U.S. in order to control it's fate. Losing a point in this game poses a potential problem. With this format only 4 teams go through to the Medal round. 3 pool winners and the best team not to win. There is a real possibility that there is another team with 6 points who doesn't win their pool.

Potentially, this game costs Canada a medal. That's the reality right now.

I haven't seen it in the rest of thread, so I wanted to clarify that there are 4 quarter-finals, so 8 teams making it through, not just 4.

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ddt wrote:
hemlock wrote:What a costly game potentially. Now Canada has to beat the U.S. in order to control it's fate. Losing a point in this game poses a potential problem. With this format only 4 teams go through to the Medal round. 3 pool winners and the best team not to win. There is a real possibility that there is another team with 6 points who doesn't win their pool.

Potentially, this game costs Canada a medal. That's the reality right now.

I haven't seen it in the rest of thread, so I wanted to clarify that there are 4 quarter-finals, so 8 teams making it through, not just 4.

Yes, I stand corrected on that.



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hemlock wrote:
ddt wrote:
hemlock wrote:What a costly game potentially. Now Canada has to beat the U.S. in order to control it's fate. Losing a point in this game poses a potential problem. With this format only 4 teams go through to the Medal round. 3 pool winners and the best team not to win. There is a real possibility that there is another team with 6 points who doesn't win their pool.

Potentially, this game costs Canada a medal. That's the reality right now.

I haven't seen it in the rest of thread, so I wanted to clarify that there are 4 quarter-finals, so 8 teams making it through, not just 4.

Yes, I stand correct on that.

So are you correct or corrected? Sarcasm


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N4L wrote:
PKC wrote:
N4L wrote:
M_Christopher wrote:
N4L wrote:ANyways, Ive said my piece, Ill let you go to sleep on your NHLPA, Team Canada pillow covers.

Okay well have fun. Maybe if Canada wins Gold, you'll come around, like you did when you realized Picard wasn't the golden boy you thought he was.

I can care less about The Olympics and Canada winning gold, I would cheer over a team of Swedes wearing a Sens jersey playing against Team Canada without a second thought.

I still think Picard can be a good D man in The NHL but something had to give in Ottawa.

Man, you're unbearable sometimes...

Why is that? Because I value NHL play more then international play? Not like you can tell me Im wrong or you disagree. If you think a team of parts put together for 2 weeks is more important then a group of guys that are like family, spend basically every day together, and go through good and tough times together then that's your call and your opinion.

Me, personally, there is a lot more to be said about a struggle and a grind within a family then "the best of the best" being put on the ice for 2 weeks.

I was too tired to reply to this last night:

Your logic makes absolutely zero sense. You're basically chastising some of the most elite athletes in the world because they don't play together all year. Just as a heads up, more and more teams that compete in hockey at the international level are starting to field rosters replete with as much NHL and professional talent as they can find.

I don't know where you get this NHL teams are like families and Olympic teams are like spare parts pulled out from a bag. If that's legitimately what you think, that these guys who play on the same "club" teams care more about each other than their national teams, then you clearly have a skewed vision of the world.

I also had to allude to something you said earlier in the thread about your country's athletes being the ones who trained in Cypress for 4 years to represent their country for one day.

Hockey players work hard all their lives to become professional athletes. Just because the levels of compensation are so much bigger doesn't make them any less a hard-working group of people.

It's absolutely pathetic to say you'd cheer for the Swiss over the Canadians because they deserved to win the game and then in the same breath say that you won't cheer for Canada because they think they deserve to win all the time.

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wprager wrote:Those who are saying this lost point could cost us the tournament should read the rules. The three pool leaders and the next highest point total team get a bye to the quarter finals, but that's only 4 teams, and you need 4 more to have a quarter finals round. The remaining 8 teams then compete for the other 4 quarter finals spots. Sure, if Canada doesn't get a bye they have to play one extra game, but these players are used to having to play as many as 28 games to win the Cup, after playing and 82-game round robin. If anything, it may give them an even better chance to develop some chemistry with their linemates.

That was me who said that. In any event, this lost point does remain potentially costly. I don't care that the extra game could create chemistry, I'd rather have the bye. In a tight tournament like this, especially if Canada does get max points from the round robin, they could end up facing a team like Russia in the quarters instead of a "gimme" game against a team like Latvia. Plus, it's such a condensed schedule playing 6 games in roughly 9 days to win Gold. With Russia losing, things certainly got interesting for sure though. There will be an intriguing 4-5 matchup when the medal round starts.

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Cap'n Clutch wrote:
hemlock wrote:
ddt wrote:
hemlock wrote:What a costly game potentially. Now Canada has to beat the U.S. in order to control it's fate. Losing a point in this game poses a potential problem. With this format only 4 teams go through to the Medal round. 3 pool winners and the best team not to win. There is a real possibility that there is another team with 6 points who doesn't win their pool.

Potentially, this game costs Canada a medal. That's the reality right now.

I haven't seen it in the rest of thread, so I wanted to clarify that there are 4 quarter-finals, so 8 teams making it through, not just 4.

Yes, I stand correct on that.

So are you correct or corrected? Sarcasm

Haha. I just worked all night. Cut me some slack!

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N4L wrote:
PKC wrote:
N4L wrote:
M_Christopher wrote:
N4L wrote:ANyways, Ive said my piece, Ill let you go to sleep on your NHLPA, Team Canada pillow covers.

Okay well have fun. Maybe if Canada wins Gold, you'll come around, like you did when you realized Picard wasn't the golden boy you thought he was.

I can care less about The Olympics and Canada winning gold, I would cheer over a team of Swedes wearing a Sens jersey playing against Team Canada without a second thought.

I still think Picard can be a good D man in The NHL but something had to give in Ottawa.

Man, you're unbearable sometimes...

Why is that? Because I value NHL play more then international play? Not like you can tell me Im wrong or you disagree. If you think a team of parts put together for 2 weeks is more important then a group of guys that are like family, spend basically every day together, and go through good and tough times together then that's your call and your opinion.

Me, personally, there is a lot more to be said about a struggle and a grind within a family then "the best of the best" being put on the ice for 2 weeks.

I was too tired to reply to this last night:

Your logic makes absolutely zero sense. You're basically chastising some of the most elite athletes in the world because they don't play together all year. Just as a heads up, more and more teams that compete in hockey at the international level are starting to field rosters replete with as much NHL and professional talent as they can find.

I don't know where you get this NHL teams are like families and Olympic teams are like spare parts pulled out from a bag. If that's legitimately what you think, that these guys who play on the same "club" teams care more about each other than their national teams, then you clearly have a skewed vision of the world.

I also had to allude to something you said earlier in the thread about your country's athletes being the ones who trained in Cypress for 4 years to represent their country for one day.

Hockey players work hard all their lives to become professional athletes. Just because the levels of compensation are so much bigger doesn't make them any less a hard-working group of people.

It's absolutely pathetic to say you'd cheer for the Swiss over the Canadians because they deserved to win the game and then in the same breath say that you won't cheer for Canada because they think they deserve to win all the time.

That's what they are, they are not olympians.

It's pathetic why? Because you dont agree? You dont agree with Canadian hockey in general thinking that we are the absolute best in the world and no one can touch us? I think it's rather pathetic that you and other bash Dany Heatley and all he stands for, yet can cheer for the team he is on and the country he is currently representing. Rather hypocritical in fact. Same with Pronger. As long as those kinds of people represent a team from Canada, I wont be supporting it.

"I hate Dany Heatley, buuuuut he's wearing red and white now so I guess Ill cheer for him." Guess Im just a fool for actually sticking to what I believe and just not cheering for a player or team when it's convient.

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hemlock wrote:
wprager wrote:Those who are saying this lost point could cost us the tournament should read the rules. The three pool leaders and the next highest point total team get a bye to the quarter finals, but that's only 4 teams, and you need 4 more to have a quarter finals round. The remaining 8 teams then compete for the other 4 quarter finals spots. Sure, if Canada doesn't get a bye they have to play one extra game, but these players are used to having to play as many as 28 games to win the Cup, after playing and 82-game round robin. If anything, it may give them an even better chance to develop some chemistry with their linemates.

That was me who said that. In any event, this lost point does remain potentially costly. I don't care that the extra game could create chemistry, I'd rather have the bye. In a tight tournament like this, especially if Canada does get max points from the round robin, they could end up facing a team like Russia in the quarters instead of a "gimme" game against a team like Latvia. Plus, it's such a condensed schedule playing 6 games in roughly 9 days to win Gold. With Russia losing, things certainly got interesting for sure though. There will be an intriguing 4-5 matchup when the medal round starts.

What if Crosby gets hurt in that "extra game"? Pretty sure everyone and their grand mothers would prefere the bye.

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Well, let it be known that I'm cheering for the team although I don't like and can't watch those blow-out games but I'm not cheering for either Pronger or Heatbag. I was secretly hoping that slapshot to the hand would force him to sit out the rest of the tournament ... I know, that's bad.

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N4L wrote:
PKC wrote:
N4L wrote:
PKC wrote:
N4L wrote:
M_Christopher wrote:
N4L wrote:ANyways, Ive said my piece, Ill let you go to sleep on your NHLPA, Team Canada pillow covers.

Okay well have fun. Maybe if Canada wins Gold, you'll come around, like you did when you realized Picard wasn't the golden boy you thought he was.

I can care less about The Olympics and Canada winning gold, I would cheer over a team of Swedes wearing a Sens jersey playing against Team Canada without a second thought.

I still think Picard can be a good D man in The NHL but something had to give in Ottawa.

Man, you're unbearable sometimes...

Why is that? Because I value NHL play more then international play? Not like you can tell me Im wrong or you disagree. If you think a team of parts put together for 2 weeks is more important then a group of guys that are like family, spend basically every day together, and go through good and tough times together then that's your call and your opinion.

Me, personally, there is a lot more to be said about a struggle and a grind within a family then "the best of the best" being put on the ice for 2 weeks.

I was too tired to reply to this last night:

Your logic makes absolutely zero sense. You're basically chastising some of the most elite athletes in the world because they don't play together all year. Just as a heads up, more and more teams that compete in hockey at the international level are starting to field rosters replete with as much NHL and professional talent as they can find.

I don't know where you get this NHL teams are like families and Olympic teams are like spare parts pulled out from a bag. If that's legitimately what you think, that these guys who play on the same "club" teams care more about each other than their national teams, then you clearly have a skewed vision of the world.

I also had to allude to something you said earlier in the thread about your country's athletes being the ones who trained in Cypress for 4 years to represent their country for one day.

Hockey players work hard all their lives to become professional athletes. Just because the levels of compensation are so much bigger doesn't make them any less a hard-working group of people.

It's absolutely pathetic to say you'd cheer for the Swiss over the Canadians because they deserved to win the game and then in the same breath say that you won't cheer for Canada because they think they deserve to win all the time.

That's what they are, they are not olympians.

It's pathetic why? Because you dont agree? You dont agree with Canadian hockey in general thinking that we are the absolute best in the world and no one can touch us? I think it's rather pathetic that you and other bash Dany Heatley and all he stands for, yet can cheer for the team he is on and the country he is currently representing. Rather hypocritical in fact. Same with Pronger. As long as those kinds of people represent a team from Canada, I wont be supporting it.

"I hate Dany Heatley, buuuuut he's wearing red and white now so I guess Ill cheer for him." Guess Im just a fool for actually sticking to what I believe and just not cheering for a player or team when it's convient.

You know what's great about you? You genuinely believe that because you buy your own Dung and keep repeating it that it makes it right.

Why don't you go look in the other threads where people are saying I can't stand Dany Heatley and where I reply that we cheer for him because he's representing the country.

Better yet, I did the work for you:

http://www.gmhockey.com/general-hockey-talk-f49/olympic-game-day-canada-vs-norway-730pm-est-tues-feb-16-2010-t4194-15.htm#153774

http://www.gmhockey.com/general-hockey-talk-f49/olympic-game-day-canada-vs-norway-730pm-est-tues-feb-16-2010-t4194-30.htm#153780

The point is, you speak in such sweeping generalizations and use so many logical fallacies - ie. professional athletes aren't Olympians - that you take away any validity that your points might have.

Just an fyi, but almost every single Olympian is a professional athlete in some capacity. They either compete on professional circuits or join clubs to play with. Saying that hockey players don't deserve to be Olympians is just about the most ignorant and fallacious comment I've ever heard.

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