GAME DAY: Ottawa Senators @ Washington Capitals - 7:00pm ET - Thu. Jan. 7th, 2010

cloverleaf wrote:Ridiculous. Leclaire only had one way to go and we are seeing it right now. It will only get worse yet too.
As far as a lehner for vermette straight up, insane and not even worth mentioning. You are losing the trade for the first three years and then hoping lehner works out as a rookie goalie who has proved nothing yet by year 4 of the trade.
You are better than that SpezD. You just basically said its ok to lose for 3 years and then hope a child pans out.

Okay, here's the way I think when it comes to a Vermette for Lehner straight up:

1.Vermette was caught in no man's land here. He was never going to be a top 2 center in Ottawa based on logistics alone - Fisher and his contract weren't being usurped.

2.Vermette had a crap year for us and seemed to have peaked.

3.I saw Lehner in the development camp stone Jason Spezza numerous times, to the point where the 15 people who happened to be there were cheering.

4.I heard from some very serious Swedish fans that this kid's father taught Lundqvist - and that he was very similar in all respects. I was told: "You might want to start getting more excited about this kid in Ottawa".

5.He played exhibition games for the Sens and was the best of the three goalies.

6.He dominates the OHL at age 18, posting third best save % and GAA.

7.He's invited to go to the WJC as the third string goalie - the Swedish brass knowing full well that Markstrom is moving on and they want to acclimatize Lehner for next year's starting position.

8.He regularly steals games for SSM. Not only does he steal games, he's made some of the most outstanding saves of the year in the OHL.

9.Not only is he competitive, he's 100% all about learning from his mistakes and getting better which lead to the SSM coaching staff praising him.

10.He could play at the NHL level TODAY and not be out of place.

I just read the last 5 pages and I find it sad that the goaltending is the N1 issue that people talk about... I'm not even going to waste my time commenting.

Where is N4L when you need him.

I think I'm hopping on the "FIRE ELI WILSON" bandwagon. How do we get a message to Murray?

Here's a thought.

Should our team totally and utterly collapse if our goalie lets in a bad goal ?

Blame Leclaire where it's due but these guys shouldn't quit until the final buzzer sounds.

From the same pamphlet I mentioned earlier:

Owned and operated by Henrik Lundqvist of the NYR along with close friend and goalie coach, Michael Lehner...

Hoags wrote:Here's a thought.

Should our team totally and utterly collapse if our goalie lets in a bad goal ?

Blame Leclaire where it's due but these guys shouldn't quit until the final buzzer sounds.

Yeah man, leadership. Come on Fisher, Philly, Kelly, etc. Keep the boys 100% in the game from here on out.

marakh wrote:I just read the last 5 pages and I find it sad that the goaltending is the N1 issue that people talk about... I'm not even going to waste my time commenting.

Where is N4L when you need him.

He was away and then he got sick as heck, but he'll be back. I talked to him briefly on Monday or something like that.

SeawaySensFan wrote:From the same pamphlet I mentioned earlier:

Owned and operated by Henrik Lundqvist of the NYR along with close friend and goalie coach, Michael Lehner...

Soon to be the goaltending coach of the Ottawa Senators?

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:From the same pamphlet I mentioned earlier:

Owned and operated by Henrik Lundqvist of the NYR along with close friend and goalie coach, Michael Lehner...

Soon to be the goaltending coach of the Ottawa Senators?

Maybe we should start a mailing campaign.. mail a crap load of those pamphlets to Murray with "goalie coach Michael Lehner" highlighted.

Heh heh.

Why would we fire Eli Wilson? Because of the All-World talent we've given him to work with?

Leclaire's easily the most skilled player of the group he's had. Give the guy a break, you people don't know what you're talking about half the time.

shabbs wrote:
Maybe we should start a mailing campaign.. mail a crap load of those pamphlets to Murray with "goalie coach Michael Lehner" highlighted.

Heh heh.

Problem is, he coaches as a head coach in Europe right now I believe - and I imagine it's quite a step down to leave that position and take a goaltending coach's position.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Hoags wrote:Here's a thought.

Should our team totally and utterly collapse if our goalie lets in a bad goal ?

Blame Leclaire where it's due but these guys shouldn't quit until the final buzzer sounds.

Yeah man, leadership. Come on Fisher, Philly, Kelly, etc. Keep the boys 100% in the game from here on out.

Fisher's too busy proving to Steve Yzerman that he made a mistake to be preoccupied with leading the Senators.

Leclaire will be fine. 2 average performances (and 1 game where he was 1st star) after he missed 1 month of activity is not the end of the world. In fact, it should be expected.
Is anyone even mentionning all the good saves he made yesterday? I don't know how many shots Washington got but I can say half of them were legitimate scoring chances. That's how bad our team is (or how good Was is, more precisely).
Elliott has let in 4 goals in 1 period days ago. And we still blame the goaltending.

How about talking about the real issue. The only goal we scored for 58 minutes was a puck that deflected 2 times before entering the net. Do we expect to win hockey games like that? Seriously? Was THeodore even in the top 10 best players for the Caps? No chance.

We simply don't have enough goal scorers, which is normal when your top 2 offensive guys are injured.
I don't know why people are calling doom and gloom when they should be thankful we are still in a playoff spot, which is a miracle at this point.

marakh wrote:Leclaire will be fine. 2 average performances (and 1 game where he was 1st star) after he missed 1 month of activity is not the end of the world. In fact, it should be expected.
Is anyone even mentionning all the good saves he made yesterday? I don't know how many shots Washington got but I can say half of them were legitimate scoring chances. That's how bad our team is (or how good Was is, more precisely).
Elliott has let in 4 goals in 1 period days ago. And we still blame the goaltending.

How about talking about the real issue. The only goal we scored for 58 minutes was a puck that deflected 2 times before entering the net. Do we expect to win hockey games like that? Seriously? Was THeodore even in the top 10 best players for the Caps? No chance.

We simply don't have enough goal scorers, which is normal when your top 2 offensive guys are injured.
I don't know why people are calling doom and gloom when they should be thankful we are still in a playoff spot, which is a miracle at this point.

I can buy that big time, but these next two games are the season in a nutshell for us. Leclaire should get both and he needs to be stellar - and he needs some support.

So, for the love of John, can we do this and get everyone on the same page?

Washington is probably top 3 most offensive team in the league. We have troube against those, especially when we try to play like them with a second line and 3 3rds lines.(Still don't know what Clouston was thinking).

Florida and Carolina? 2 wins.

SpezDispenser wrote:

cloverleaf wrote:Ridiculous. Leclaire only had one way to go and we are seeing it right now. It will only get worse yet too.
As far as a lehner for vermette straight up, insane and not even worth mentioning. You are losing the trade for the first three years and then hoping lehner works out as a rookie goalie who has proved nothing yet by year 4 of the trade.
You are better than that SpezD. You just basically said its ok to lose for 3 years and then hope a child pans out.

Okay, here's the way I think when it comes to a Vermette for Lehner straight up:

1.Vermette was caught in no man's land here. He was never going to be a top 2 center in Ottawa based on logistics alone - Fisher and his contract weren't being usurped.

2.Vermette had a crap year for us and seemed to have peaked.

3.I saw Lehner in the development camp stone Jason Spezza numerous times, to the point where the 15 people who happened to be there were cheering.

4.I heard from some very serious Swedish fans that this kid's father taught Lundqvist - and that he was very similar in all respects. I was told: "You might want to start getting more excited about this kid in Ottawa".

5.He played exhibition games for the Sens and was the best of the three goalies.

6.He dominates the OHL at age 18, posting third best save % and GAA.

7.He's invited to go to the WJC as the third string goalie - the Swedish brass knowing full well that Markstrom is moving on and they want to acclimatize Lehner for next year's starting position.

8.He regularly steals games for SSM. Not only does he steal games, he's made some of the most outstanding saves of the year in the OHL.

9.Not only is he competitive, he's 100% all about learning from his mistakes and getting better which lead to the SSM coaching staff praising him.

10.He could play at the NHL level TODAY and not be out of place.

marakh wrote:Washington is probably top 3 most offensive team in the league. We have troube against those, especially when we try to play like them with a second line and 3 3rds lines.(Still don't know what Clouston was thinking).

Florida and Carolina? 2 wins.

Really? Have you seen the team we're fielding?

PKC wrote:Why would we fire Eli Wilson? Because of the All-World talent we've given him to work with?

Leclaire's easily the most skilled player of the group he's had. Give the guy a break, you people don't know what you're talking about half the time.

Because he's been the one common factor through all of our goalie issues since Lalime? I dunno... we're running out of ideas... I guess...