Jonathan Cheechoo Depreciation Thread

MurderOnIce wrote:

N4L wrote:

He had some good games on the western road trip and has had way more good then bad. He should have 15 goals right now (should have had 3 tonight) if it wasnt for his bad luck.

He shows up in the playoffs, every year, he always produces. Not giving him a shot to show what he can do on that stage would be criminal. He isnt holding the team back from anything and basically was the reason (because of Clouston) they won that game tonight.

I am not sure I can reconcile this with the fact that San Jose was a playoff bust?!

I would agree he was one of the better Sens tonight, if not the best. It is the first game in his short history here that I can say that. I would like to see many more but the best prediction of future behaviour is past behaviour. That would suggest this game was a blip. Hope not but I am very leery of thinking he could be a real contributor...

Actually, he was probably the best player against the Leafs too.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

MurderOnIce wrote:

N4L wrote:

He had some good games on the western road trip and has had way more good then bad. He should have 15 goals right now (should have had 3 tonight) if it wasnt for his bad luck.

He shows up in the playoffs, every year, he always produces. Not giving him a shot to show what he can do on that stage would be criminal. He isnt holding the team back from anything and basically was the reason (because of Clouston) they won that game tonight.

I am not sure I can reconcile this with the fact that San Jose was a playoff bust?!

I would agree he was one of the better Sens tonight, if not the best. It is the first game in his short history here that I can say that. I would like to see many more but the best prediction of future behaviour is past behaviour. That would suggest this game was a blip. Hope not but I am very leery of thinking he could be a real contributor...

Actually, he was probably the best player against the Leafs too.

Cheechoo was the tallest midget?

MurderOnIce wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

MurderOnIce wrote:

N4L wrote:

He had some good games on the western road trip and has had way more good then bad. He should have 15 goals right now (should have had 3 tonight) if it wasnt for his bad luck.

He shows up in the playoffs, every year, he always produces. Not giving him a shot to show what he can do on that stage would be criminal. He isnt holding the team back from anything and basically was the reason (because of Clouston) they won that game tonight.

I am not sure I can reconcile this with the fact that San Jose was a playoff bust?!

I would agree he was one of the better Sens tonight, if not the best. It is the first game in his short history here that I can say that. I would like to see many more but the best prediction of future behaviour is past behaviour. That would suggest this game was a blip. Hope not but I am very leery of thinking he could be a real contributor...

Actually, he was probably the best player against the Leafs too.

Cheechoo was the tallest midget?

Be that as it may, it's a testament to his consistent effort.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

MurderOnIce wrote:

N4L wrote:

He had some good games on the western road trip and has had way more good then bad. He should have 15 goals right now (should have had 3 tonight) if it wasnt for his bad luck.

He shows up in the playoffs, every year, he always produces. Not giving him a shot to show what he can do on that stage would be criminal. He isnt holding the team back from anything and basically was the reason (because of Clouston) they won that game tonight.

I am not sure I can reconcile this with the fact that San Jose was a playoff bust?!

I would agree he was one of the better Sens tonight, if not the best. It is the first game in his short history here that I can say that. I would like to see many more but the best prediction of future behaviour is past behaviour. That would suggest this game was a blip. Hope not but I am very leery of thinking he could be a real contributor...

Actually, he was probably the best player against the Leafs too.

The LA game way back he was def the best Sen on the ice with Kelly. That entire road trip he was the best Sen.

I think the thing that can be said is last nights game was the first time Cheechoo had a big contribution to a win and was noticable in that win. Edmonton kind of comes to mind.

N4L wrote:I think the thing that can be said is last nights game was the first time Cheechoo had a big contribution to a win and was noticable in that win. Edmonton kind of comes to mind.

Geez. Cheechoo's good games are magically piling up all of a sudden.

Just confirms what a useless sack of Dung CheapShots Brennan is.

I am not an Anti-Cheech-ite...

I just think that, salary aside, and despite his efforts he is truly a low third- high fourth liner. He is what he is, any expectation beyond that is unrealistic and unfair. Remember many nights we have seen the best player be someone lower on the totem pole. They don't move up on the pole until they produce results consistently.

MurderOnIce wrote:I am not an Anti-Cheech-ite...

I just think that, salary aside, and despite his efforts he is truly a low third- high fourth liner. He is what he is, any expectation beyond that is unrealistic and unfair. Remember many nights we have seen the best player be someone lower on the totem pole. They don't move up on the pole until they produce results consistently.

It's hard to believe you are not anti-Cheechoo when 1) you started this thread and 2) You refered to him as "poison" and reeking of the stench of "not good enough".

You're right that lower guys on the totem pole need to produce consistently in order to move up. Cheechoo showed last night that he can play a bigger role and produce. No, he didn't score but he was buzzing all night and made his line better for being there. Simply put, he made the most of the opportunity. The beauty of it was it allowed Clouston to line up Kelly with Fisher and Alfie to shut down Iginla's line.

Bottom line for me (and a few others who aren't ready to drop the axe on Cheechoo) is that he plays hard, and put in the right circumstances, can produce offense. Combine that with the fact that he works his Donkey off, and you've got a guy who everyone will be cheering their asses off for come playoff time. That's when we'll see what he's truely worth to this team imo.

MurderOnIce wrote:I am not an Anti-Cheech-ite...

I just think that, salary aside, and despite his efforts he is truly a low third- high fourth liner. He is what he is, any expectation beyond that is unrealistic and unfair. Remember many nights we have seen the best player be someone lower on the totem pole. They don't move up on the pole until they produce results consistently.

What's wrong with that? Not a lot of 3rd or 4th liners that can score at any moment and have to be aware when they are on the ice.

Cheech will hopefully play with Spezza and Michalek again. If he doesn't look good against the Caps you can get Clouston will move people around again.

He needs to keep going, he was almost playing like it was 05-06 again last night.

hemlock wrote:

MurderOnIce wrote:I am not an Anti-Cheech-ite...

I just think that, salary aside, and despite his efforts he is truly a low third- high fourth liner. He is what he is, any expectation beyond that is unrealistic and unfair. Remember many nights we have seen the best player be someone lower on the totem pole. They don't move up on the pole until they produce results consistently.

It's hard to believe you are not anti-Cheechoo when 1) you started this thread and 2) You refered to him as "poison" and reeking of the stench of "not good enough".

You're right that lower guys on the totem pole need to produce consistently in order to move up. Cheechoo showed last night that he can play a bigger role and produce. No, he didn't score but he was buzzing all night and made his line better for being there. Simply put, he made the most of the opportunity. The beauty of it was it allowed Clouston to line up Kelly with Fisher and Alfie to shut down Iginla's line.

Bottom line for me (and a few others who aren't ready to drop the axe on Cheechoo) is that he plays hard, and put in the right circumstances, can produce offense. Combine that with the fact that he works his Donkey off, and you've got a guy who everyone will be cheering their asses off for come playoff time. That's when we'll see what he's truely worth to this team imo.

I think he has proven that he has a flash or two when he has good games. On the whole he doesn't produce offensively and hasn't for a few years now. I agree that I started all of this on the point that we would have been better to trade him off early than to have kept him around. Everyone can dance around the fire of his glory for the past couple of games, on the whole however, beyond hardwork and 'nice guy' he is just never going to justify his salary. Say what everyone wants about 'throw the money out of the equation' but you can't in a cap world.

And I am not anti Cheechoo, business is business here and he doesn't add to the team. I would still rather have seen Donovan in the lineup every night that he was scratched and Cheechoo was in. Tell me money is not part of that equation...

Spezza wont ever justify his salary either.

N4L wrote:Spezza wont ever justify his salary either.

Fisher made 6 million bucks being a nice guy.

With Cheechoo there were no expectations. Therefore he is probably exceeding expectations.

Gerber was expected to be a #1 goalie, Spezza is expected to be a Top playmaking center in the entire LEAGUE, Fisher is expected to be a 2nd line center and produce accordingly...

SeawaySensFan wrote:

With Cheechoo there were no expectations. Therefore he is probably exceeding expectations.

Murray did say they wanted 20ish goals from Cheech, when the Douchebag trade was announced.

Clouston pretty much ripped into Cheech before the Calgary game, so I think yes there are expectations on him.

He needs to keep it up against the Caps.

Hoags wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

With Cheechoo there were no expectations. Therefore he is probably exceeding expectations.

Murray did say they wanted 20ish goals from Cheech, when the Douchebag trade was announced.

Clouston pretty much ripped into Cheech before the Calgary game, so I think yes there are expectations on him.

He needs to keep it up against the Caps.

Agreeed, to say there were no expectations in not realistic...

Hoags wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

With Cheechoo there were no expectations. Therefore he is probably exceeding expectations.

Murray did say they wanted 20ish goals from Cheech, when the Douchebag trade was announced.

Clouston pretty much ripped into Cheech before the Calgary game, so I think yes there are expectations on him.

He needs to keep it up against the Caps.

That was window dressing. What do you think he will say? "I agree that Cheechoo is a piece of Dung and I pretty well got fleeced in the deal. Seasons tickets are on sale NOW!"

I heard Clouston's comments and he was hardly ripping into him. Just said they wanted more out of Cheechoo. What is "more"? No one knows.

MurderOnIce wrote:

hemlock wrote:

MurderOnIce wrote:I am not an Anti-Cheech-ite...

I just think that, salary aside, and despite his efforts he is truly a low third- high fourth liner. He is what he is, any expectation beyond that is unrealistic and unfair. Remember many nights we have seen the best player be someone lower on the totem pole. They don't move up on the pole until they produce results consistently.

It's hard to believe you are not anti-Cheechoo when 1) you started this thread and 2) You refered to him as "poison" and reeking of the stench of "not good enough".

You're right that lower guys on the totem pole need to produce consistently in order to move up. Cheechoo showed last night that he can play a bigger role and produce. No, he didn't score but he was buzzing all night and made his line better for being there. Simply put, he made the most of the opportunity. The beauty of it was it allowed Clouston to line up Kelly with Fisher and Alfie to shut down Iginla's line.

Bottom line for me (and a few others who aren't ready to drop the axe on Cheechoo) is that he plays hard, and put in the right circumstances, can produce offense. Combine that with the fact that he works his Donkey off, and you've got a guy who everyone will be cheering their asses off for come playoff time. That's when we'll see what he's truely worth to this team imo.

I think he has proven that he has a flash or two when he has good games. On the whole he doesn't produce offensively and hasn't for a few years now. I agree that I started all of this on the point that we would have been better to trade him off early than to have kept him around. Everyone can dance around the fire of his glory for the past couple of games, on the whole however, beyond hardwork and 'nice guy' he is just never going to justify his salary. Say what everyone wants about 'throw the money out of the equation' but you can't in a cap world.

And I am not anti Cheechoo, business is business here and he doesn't add to the team. I would still rather have seen Donovan in the lineup every night that he was scratched and Cheechoo was in. Tell me money is not part of that equation...

Money is always a consideration, but until Murray is completely screwed cap wise, I don't see Cheechoo's salary as a problem. The day Murray can't re-sign a key player or bring in a marquee player via FA or trade is the day I start looking at current salaries as a problem. Having said that, Cheechoo isn't the only salary that gives me cause for concern.

Let's put it this way. If what we are seeing this season is all we ever get from Cheechoo, I'd be more than happy to re-sign him for $1.5 a year going forward. This is a guy who plays a very nice 3rd/4th line role and has the ability to do very effective spot duty when the injury bug hits.

Another point to consider about Cheechoo is that despite the fact that he works hard and battles along the boards, he's taken very few penalties (10 minors) this season. I'd much rather a player like that then a goon who's going to constantly kill momentum with untimely penalties.

SeawaySensFan wrote:
That was window dressing. What do you think he will say? "I agree that Cheechoo is a piece of Dung and I pretty well got fleeced in the deal. Seasons tickets are on sale NOW!"

I heard Clouston's comments and he was hardly ripping into him. Just said they wanted more out of Cheechoo. What is "more"? No one knows.

While we had to take Cheech for the salary cap hits to work out in the Cheatley trade, you really don't think Murray was hoping that Cheechoo would revive his production somewhat here ?

If Michalek hits around 30 and Cheech would pot 20, Heatley's production would be more or less made up.

And I probably should have used a different term than ripping, but CC was clearly disappointed by Cheech in his past games.

Last but not least Cheech is disappointed in his season as well, he expects more too.