GAME DAY: New Jersey Devils @ Ottawa Senators - 7:00pm EST - Sat. Nov. 7th, 2009 plus post game thoughts

SeawaySensFan wrote:We're going in circles here. Based on what I have seen with my own eyes AND the numbers Leclaire is not faring any better than Gerber.

I never made any projections or predictions, I'm evaluating Leclaire's starts as an Ottawa Senator.

There's nothing premature about commenting on a players first 10 games after 10 games.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:We're going in circles here. Based on what I have seen with my own eyes AND the numbers Leclaire is not faring any better than Gerber.

I never made any projections or predictions, I'm evaluating Leclaire's starts as an Ottawa Senator.

There's nothing premature about commenting on a players first 10 games after 10 games.

It's OK SSF. Many people suffer from PE. You shouldn't be ashamed.

wprager wrote:
That was my point earlier (perhaps in another thread). We keep getting holding and hooking calls. Why not charging, elbowing, boarding, even interference (which is usually *not* a lazy penalty, especially when it's done on the goalie).

Silver Seven Sens blogged some illuminating numbers on penalties. Neil leads the way with 10 minors. Alfie, with all his ice time, has one. ONE! I fully expect Neil to lead the team in PIMs; and as long as someone has to lead in the number of minors taken, why not Neil again. But the discrepancy between his numbers and Alfie is almost frightening. He just cannot afford to take that many minor penalties.

For the record, the rest of the leaders (in minors) are Ruutu (8), Foligno (7), Cheechoo (6) and Kovalev (5).

Doing a bit of googling I came across this site that has stats on penalties taken and drawn:
http://www.behindthenet.ca/2009/5_on_5_pens.php?sort=8&mingp=&mintoi=5&team=OTT&pos=

The penalties taken numbers don't line up with what SSS had in his blog, perhaps they are a game or two behind. In any case, while Neil takes a lot of penalties, he also draws a few. According to the link above he is -2 (taken - drawn). If I believe SSS's number on the penalties taken (and I don't recall him drawing any recently) then he's probably closer to -5, and that wouldn't be good at all.

Both Neil and Ruutu are expected to take more penalties (especially Ruutu) but they are both supposed to draw as many or more. Especially Ruutu. If he's not drawing penalties then he is not doing hist job as an agitator.

Take a look at Kaleta's stats in that regard: 1 penalty taken, 13 penalties drawn. No wonder Buffalo is doing well -- their role players are doing their roles.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:We're going in circles here. Based on what I have seen with my own eyes AND the numbers Leclaire is not faring any better than Gerber.

I never made any projections or predictions, I'm evaluating Leclaire's starts as an Ottawa Senator.

There's nothing premature about commenting on a players first 10 games after 10 games.

It's OK SSF. Many people suffer from PE. You shouldn't be ashamed.

I'm already snoring before the shame has a chance to sink in.

SeawaySensFan wrote:If I were evaluating 10 games after, say, 2 games. I would agree. Over 10 games Leclaire has been Gerber-esqe.

That should be easy enough to wrap your head around.

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:If I were evaluating 10 games after, say, 2 games. I would agree. Over 10 games Leclaire has been Gerber-esqe.

That should be easy enough to wrap your head around.

After watching all 10 games, you think Pascal Leclaire and Martin Gerber have something in common - other than perhaps allowing a softie once in a while?

Dear God, Leclaire's been up and down, but waaaaay more up than down. He's kept the team in games right up to the final buzzer - basically every game he's played. Gerber was an adventure literally every time the puck went near him - he flat out sucked actually - to the point where he's playing in some Swiss League.

I understand your frustration with Leclaire from time to time, but I think you might be letting that cloud your judgment on this one.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:If I were evaluating 10 games after, say, 2 games. I would agree. Over 10 games Leclaire has been Gerber-esqe.

That should be easy enough to wrap your head around.

After watching all 10 games, you think Pascal Leclaire and Martin Gerber have something in common - other than perhaps allowing a softie once in a while?

Dear God, Leclaire's been up and down, but waaaaay more up than down. He's kept the team in games right up to the final buzzer - basically every game he's played. Gerber was an adventure literally every time the puck went near him - he flat out sucked actually - to the point where he's playing in some Swiss League.

I understand your frustration with Leclaire from time to time, but I think you might be letting that cloud your judgment on this one.

Gerber kept us in his share of games in his final season here too and he ultimately let in the odd softy at the worst times to lose games. Same as Leclaire SO FAR. And he did so with better overall numbers than Leclaire has posted SO FAR.

Jesus.

I'm not going to pretend everything is fine when it isn't.

Gohan wrote:Thats a fair statement, but he has some definite Gerber baby moments...

Gohan wrote:I don't know what you were watching last season...Campoli was not good. He put up points because he was feeding the cash line. That's about all the good he did. The effects of zero expectations were clearly beneficial for him. Now we see who he really is.

Gohan wrote:That shootout goal was a LOt like gerber