THN: Sens risk alienating Karlsson

N4L wrote:Point being is Karlsson was fine with staying in Sweden and playing there while developing, instead he is told there is a spot waiting for him, while he makes the team he is told he isnt going anywhere, and while he is here he is basically put in a spot to fail, not succeed.

Filatov was 100% prepared to come over to NA to playin in either The AHL or NHL, Karlsson wasnt. He was convinced to come over by Murray.

I get why it was done but Karlsson absolutely got the shaft here.

As for comparing him to Heatley...? WTF?! Did he report to Bingo, yes. Has he done everything that was asked of him? Yes. Thats a stupid comparisson. I would be furious too if that's the position I was put in by Murray and The Sens. Literally, the kid is 19 years old with no support off the ice at this point and probably feels pretty helpless at this point. It's not his country (niether Canada or The States), he has no family what so ever, and feels a little betrayed by Ottawa and Murray.

The fact he is still here says more about him than anything because he had every reason on the planet to go back to Sweden and I would have 100% understood and agreed if he did. He's not even an adult and people are talking like he's a primadonna.

The actual level of play isnt going to hurt his development but a lot of off ice stuff could.

N4L wrote:

RobbyJ wrote:What a garbage article. Of course the kid is pissed, but alienating him. In my memory the two guys who whinned and moaned the most after not making the team were Chris Phillips and Jason Spezza. They're both still here, stupid overblown op-ed piece.

Both those guys gave up very little to play professional hockey. They both played Jr and are very much being prepared for The AHL and NHL. It's not about crying and moaning over things, it's about what he was told/promised and what he gave up based on that.

Unreal how people fail to see anything outside of hockey at times. Most people here usually dont especially with young KIDS.

rooneypoo wrote:

N4L wrote:Point being is Karlsson was fine with staying in Sweden and playing there while developing, instead he is told there is a spot waiting for him, while he makes the team he is told he isnt going anywhere, and while he is here he is basically put in a spot to fail, not succeed.

Filatov was 100% prepared to come over to NA to playin in either The AHL or NHL, Karlsson wasnt. He was convinced to come over by Murray.

I get why it was done but Karlsson absolutely got the shaft here.

As for comparing him to Heatley...? WTF?! Did he report to Bingo, yes. Has he done everything that was asked of him? Yes. Thats a stupid comparisson. I would be furious too if that's the position I was put in by Murray and The Sens. Literally, the kid is 19 years old with no support off the ice at this point and probably feels pretty helpless at this point. It's not his country (niether Canada or The States), he has no family what so ever, and feels a little betrayed by Ottawa and Murray.

The fact he is still here says more about him than anything because he had every reason on the planet to go back to Sweden and I would have 100% understood and agreed if he did. He's not even an adult and people are talking like he's a primadonna.

The actual level of play isnt going to hurt his development but a lot of off ice stuff could.

That kind of assumes the key point in question, tho'. I agree, the 'he's staying' message the week before really looks bad on us now, but I really don't think anyone guaranteed him a spot in the NHL -- at least we haven't been given the evidence to suggest that that was the case.

Anyway, we have no idea how much time BM and Karlsson discussed the possibility of him making or not making the team, and/or whether Bingo was mentioned as a real possibility. For all we know, it was talked about extensively. Surely everyone knew the score with the 9 games thing.

I get the culture / support thing you (and the article author) mention, but it does take at its base the assumption that Karlsson was given guarantees that he'd be on the team -- which I really doubt is the case, and if it were, where's the evidence to support the assertion?

hemlock wrote:

wprager wrote:I think TSN is just trying to generate a story for some web traffic. He's an undersized, underaged rookie defenseman. Take a look at what Del Zotto has done to keep himself in the lineup. Other rookie defensemen (Demers, Myers, Hedman) have all out produced Karlsson. I'm not knocking Eric, but he did not knock anyone's socks off, and with the Sens shaping up to be a middle-of-the-pack team, why burn a year of his ELC?

Karlsson will create a lot of bad will if he goes back to Sweden. Why would he do that when his career is all in front of him? This is going to be just 6 months and then he'll be done. Plus he'll definitely get to play in the WJHC -- not sure the Sens would have let him go if he was on the active roster.

He'll be fine and will come back stronger and with more desire.

Even though he's in Bingo, they are burning an ELC year. He's playing pro hockey under his two-way ELC. What the Sens don't lose however, is a year of seniority, meaning this year won't count towards his RFA/UFA status, should he remain in Bingo all year.

I am not worried about Karlsson. What will worry me is his attitude if we pile up some injuries and Lee is called up before Karlsson. I wonder what that will do to his confidence/atttitude.

RobbyJ wrote:

N4L wrote:

RobbyJ wrote:What a garbage article. Of course the kid is pissed, but alienating him. In my memory the two guys who whinned and moaned the most after not making the team were Chris Phillips and Jason Spezza. They're both still here, stupid overblown op-ed piece.

Both those guys gave up very little to play professional hockey. They both played Jr and are very much being prepared for The AHL and NHL. It's not about crying and moaning over things, it's about what he was told/promised and what he gave up based on that.

Unreal how people fail to see anything outside of hockey at times. Most people here usually dont especially with young KIDS.

Canadian kids give up a crap load to go play Junior at 16 years old. In the WHL some guys move 3 provinces away from home to play. Kids move away to play midget.

Kids leave for NCAA scholarships at 18, sometimes at places as glamorous as North Dakota.

You make it sound as if Karlsson is the first kid to leave mommy to follow his dream.

This isn't a shot a Karlsson, it's a shot at your overprotective attitude towards him.

RobbyJ wrote:

N4L wrote:

RobbyJ wrote:What a garbage article. Of course the kid is pissed, but alienating him. In my memory the two guys who whinned and moaned the most after not making the team were Chris Phillips and Jason Spezza. They're both still here, stupid overblown op-ed piece.

Both those guys gave up very little to play professional hockey. They both played Jr and are very much being prepared for The AHL and NHL. It's not about crying and moaning over things, it's about what he was told/promised and what he gave up based on that.

Unreal how people fail to see anything outside of hockey at times. Most people here usually dont especially with young KIDS.

Canadian kids give up a crap load to go play Junior at 16 years old. In the WHL some guys move 3 provinces away from home to play. Kids move away to play midget.

Kids leave for NCAA scholarships at 18, sometimes at places as glamorous as North Dakota.

You make it sound as if Karlsson is the first kid to leave mommy to follow his dream.

This isn't a shot a Karlsson, it's a shot at your overprotective attitude towards him.

N4L wrote:

RobbyJ wrote:

N4L wrote:

RobbyJ wrote:What a garbage article. Of course the kid is pissed, but alienating him. In my memory the two guys who whinned and moaned the most after not making the team were Chris Phillips and Jason Spezza. They're both still here, stupid overblown op-ed piece.

Both those guys gave up very little to play professional hockey. They both played Jr and are very much being prepared for The AHL and NHL. It's not about crying and moaning over things, it's about what he was told/promised and what he gave up based on that.

Unreal how people fail to see anything outside of hockey at times. Most people here usually dont especially with young KIDS.

Canadian kids give up a crap load to go play Junior at 16 years old. In the WHL some guys move 3 provinces away from home to play. Kids move away to play midget.

Kids leave for NCAA scholarships at 18, sometimes at places as glamorous as North Dakota.

You make it sound as if Karlsson is the first kid to leave mommy to follow his dream.

This isn't a shot a Karlsson, it's a shot at your overprotective attitude towards him.

Jr, they still have parents, just not their real ones. Also Canadian Jr has screwed up A LOT of kids, hate to tell you that. I would never let my kid play in The OHL, QJMHL, or WHL, ever. Going to College for sure.

As for College, you are totally sheltered there and have a strict set of rules which the kids have to adhear to.

Also, none of them leave their culture behind.

N4L wrote:

RobbyJ wrote:

N4L wrote:

RobbyJ wrote:What a garbage article. Of course the kid is pissed, but alienating him. In my memory the two guys who whinned and moaned the most after not making the team were Chris Phillips and Jason Spezza. They're both still here, stupid overblown op-ed piece.

Both those guys gave up very little to play professional hockey. They both played Jr and are very much being prepared for The AHL and NHL. It's not about crying and moaning over things, it's about what he was told/promised and what he gave up based on that.

Unreal how people fail to see anything outside of hockey at times. Most people here usually dont especially with young KIDS.

Canadian kids give up a crap load to go play Junior at 16 years old. In the WHL some guys move 3 provinces away from home to play. Kids move away to play midget.

Kids leave for NCAA scholarships at 18, sometimes at places as glamorous as North Dakota.

You make it sound as if Karlsson is the first kid to leave mommy to follow his dream.

This isn't a shot a Karlsson, it's a shot at your overprotective attitude towards him.

Jr, they still have parents, just not their real ones. Also Canadian Jr has screwed up A LOT of kids, hate to tell you that. I would never let my kid play in The OHL, QJMHL, or WHL, ever. Going to College for sure.

As for College, you are totally sheltered there and have a strict set of rules which the kids have to adhear to.

Also, none of them leave their culture behind.

N4L wrote:Have you seen the "young men" going to college? They are kids for sure, at least the majority of them when they get there.

Jr hockey is messed up on a lot of levels though.

N4L wrote:Only time I would let my kid play Jr is if he wa drafted by the 67's, that's it, or where ever I might be living. Ask Brendan Bell.

N4L wrote:Haha, nono, but he was 100% comitted to going to The NCAA before Ottawa drafted him... He would have been a top 5 OHL draft pick otherwise, maybe top 3. Good family behind that guy who is also a really good person. Smart family too.

N4L wrote:Anyways point being about Karlsson is he gave up a lot more after being convinced by Murray to leave Sweden.